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Old 12th October 2017, 02:20 PM   #2241
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Good news, just saw it on TV: Putin got grounded by Butters' dad! And even better: Zuckerberg switched off facebook!
Aww, this discussion must be making you uncomfortable.
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Old 12th October 2017, 06:27 PM   #2242
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Aww, this discussion must be making you uncomfortable.

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Old 12th October 2017, 10:26 PM   #2243
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Does anybody happen to have any info on whether Russia is alone in this approach, or if there are other countries that have engaged in similar tactics with respect to our last election?
Yes, one other country did try to influence our last election by spreading fake news - us!
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Old 13th October 2017, 04:28 AM   #2244
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John Helmer gives a little (as always amusing) history lesson:

LUNATIC RUSSIA-HATING IN WASHINGTON IS 70 YEARS OLD. IT STARTED WITH JOSEPH ALSOP, GEORGE KENNAN AND THE WASHINGTON POST

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Joseph Alsop (lead image, centre) and George Kennan (right) started the kind of Russia-hating in Washington which, today, President Vladimir Putin, like the businessmen around him, think of as a novelty that cannot last for long.
Alsop was a fake news fabricator, and such a narcissist as to give the bow-ties he wore a bad name. Kennan was a psychopath who alternated bouts of aggression to prove himself with bouts of depression over his cowardice. For them, Russia was a suitable target. The Washington Post was the newspaper which gave their lunacy public asylum. This, according to a fresh history by a university professor from California, started in 1947, long before the arrival in Washington of the anti-communist phobia known after the name of Senator Joseph McCarthy.
Russia-hating was an American upper-class phenomenon, cultivated in the offices, cocktail parties, clubs, and mansions of the deep state, as it emerged out of World War II. It needed a new enemy to thrive; it fastened on Russia (aka the Soviet Union) as the enemy.
McCarthyism was an American lower-class phenomenon. It focused on the loyalty or disloyalty of the upper-class deep-staters. That wasn’t the same thing as Russia-hating; Wall Street bankers, Boston lawyers, homosexuals, Jews, communists, were all the enemy. As the Senator from Wisconsin characterized it himself in 1952, “McCarthyism is Americanism with its sleeves rolled.” He implied – without a middle-class tie; certainly not an upper-class bow-tie.
Russia was not an enemy which united the two American lunacies, for they hated each other much more than they hated the Russians. The Soviet Politburo understood this better then than the Kremlin does now. [...]
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I think the Bolsheviks had something to do with it, too.
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Old 13th October 2017, 09:34 PM   #2246
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Pikachu!

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Old 14th October 2017, 09:24 AM   #2247
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Are you provided with lists and files of images to promote your talking points? Or do you just grab whatever you find off of Sputnik news?
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Are you provided with lists and files of images to promote your talking points? Or do you just grab whatever you find off of Sputnik news?

You think I'll give you tips to improve your abysmal performance?
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Old 14th October 2017, 12:46 PM   #2249
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
You think I'll give you tips to improve your abysmal performance?
I'm sure the resources you have at work are considered confidential.
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
I'm sure the resources you have at work are considered confidential.

But you had to ask anyway?
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Old 14th October 2017, 01:04 PM   #2251
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
But you had to ask anyway?
Sometimes people respond to an invitation even when they have reason not to.
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Sometimes people respond to an invitation even when they have reason not to.

No, I'm not getting you an interview.
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If you have a presentable car a few extra bucks could be in, though:

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Old 14th October 2017, 04:02 PM   #2254
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
If you have a presentable car a few extra bucks could be in, though:

https://i.imgur.com/KarfScg.jpg

Humor is a great deflection. People who are funny never do bad things.
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Old 14th October 2017, 04:24 PM   #2255
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Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd View Post
Humor is a great deflection. People who are funny never do bad things.

No idea what you're babbling about, but this campaign sure has been one of the most effective in modern advertisement history (If you want I ask Putin to fax me the numbers). And that is because people understand intuitively, contrary to what a bunch of third class shillaries and propaganda victims are telling us, how bizarre these trumped-up accusations the campaign is mocking are, even if they were based in truth. And share the content for free.
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Old 14th October 2017, 05:34 PM   #2256
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No idea what you're babbling about, but this campaign sure has been one of the most effective in modern advertisement history (If you want I ask Putin to fax me the numbers). And that is because people understand intuitively, contrary to what a bunch of third class shillaries and propaganda victims are telling us, how bizarre these trumped-up accusations the campaign is mocking are, even if they were based in truth. And share the content for free.
Yeah, "even if they were based in truth." Obviously, Putin and the oligarchs just wanted to help Make America Great Again. huh. Totally bizarre to suggest that the DJT campaign would jump on that and try to keep it secret, even if it's a documented fact that they did.
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Yeah, "even if they were based in truth." Obviously, Putin and the oligarchs just wanted to help Make America Great Again. huh. Totally bizarre to suggest that the DJT campaign would jump on that and try to keep it secret, even if it's a documented fact that they did.

May I remind you that you are now down to "Russia-based" small bucks ad campaigns on facebook with no connection to the leader of the free world at all with your little unamerican regime change campaign? And everybody is laughing at the lunacy? Sorry, but I'll do it anyway.
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May I remind you that you are now down to "Russia-based" small bucks ad campaigns on facebook with no connection to the leader of the free world at all with your little unamerican regime change campaign? And everybody is laughing at the lunacy? Sorry, but I'll do it anyway.
Everybody? May I remind you who is "laughing at the lunacy" and who isn't? Was The Donald "laughing at the lunacy" when he fired Comey for investigating Flynn? Was Putin "laughing at the lunacy" when he had Oleg Erovinkin murdered for his part in the Steele dossier? Nope, it's just the fascist fanboys who are "laughing at the lunacy."
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May I remind you that you are now down to "Russia-based" small bucks ad campaigns on facebook with no connection to the leader of the free world at all with your little unamerican regime change campaign? And everybody is laughing at the lunacy? Sorry, but I'll do it anyway.
The other stuff is still there even if it is still fallen off the radar. Jeff sessions still had meetings with the Russian ambassador he lied about.
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Everybody? May I remind you who is "laughing at the lunacy" and who isn't? Was The Donald "laughing at the lunacy" when he fired Comey for investigating Flynn? Was Putin "laughing at the lunacy" when he had Oleg Erovinkin murdered for his part in the Steele dossier? Nope, it's just the fascist fanboys who are "laughing at the lunacy."

So, let's see. That's everybody but Trump and Putin, including the fascist fanboys. Not sure if that changes much, William Seger. Or why I should even disagree with it. Or why you even try this transparent nonsense. Oh, strike the latter.
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The other stuff is still there even if it is still fallen off the radar. Jeff sessions still had meetings with the Russian ambassador he lied about.

There's a lot of stuff in the Washington Pest archive, much of it meaningless and some outright dangerous leading morons to support war.
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Old 14th October 2017, 07:47 PM   #2262
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There's a lot of stuff in the Washington Pest archive, much of it meaningless and some outright dangerous leading morons to support war.
I don't believe there is news that is too dangerous to print.
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I don't believe there is news that is too dangerous to print.

I won't ask you to define news.
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I won't ask you to define news.
I won't define news. I have made it clear that I am extremely tolerant of many versions of news.
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So, let's see. That's everybody but Trump and Putin, including the fascist fanboys. Not sure if that changes much, William Seger. Or why I should even disagree with it. Or why you even try this transparent nonsense. Oh, strike the latter.
Well, here's some transparent reality: Putin and his gangsters supported Trump, and it's for damn sure it wasn't because they wanted to Make America Great Again. And I remind you that we know considerably more about what happened than "small bucks ad campaigns on facebook." In addition to the hacking, we now know about many (but probably not all) of the Trump campaign's extensive Russian connections which they really, really wanted to keep secret, including the meeting where the campaign showed eagerness to collude with Russians to smear Clinton. And we're starting to learn about business deals that smell like money laundering.

But keep laughing.
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But keep laughing.
It's just a front. She ain't really laughing, it's that when all the facts go the other way, silly memes and cartoons are all that's left.
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OMG, Newt Gringrich is on his book tour claiming Mueller's investigation is akin to the Salem witch trials. He is recommending his audience read The Crucible.
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OMG, Newt Gringrich is on his book tour claiming Mueller's investigation is akin to the Salem witch trials. He is recommending his audience read The Crucible.
As far as I am concerned, this is a strong indicator that Gingrich was aware of the Russian influence before the Primary and didn't mind.
He probably thinks that if the USS Trump sinks, it will take him down, too.
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But keep laughing.

I will.
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There's a lot of stuff in the Washington Pest archive, much of it meaningless and some outright dangerous leading morons to support war.
That's true, if you mean the parts where they quote Trump's Twitter feed.

But for your edification, there's a jaw-dropping archive on Bill Moyer's site:
Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump
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That's true, if you mean the parts where they quote Trump's Twitter feed.

But for your edification, there's a jaw-dropping archive on Bill Moyer's site:
Interactive Timeline: Everything We Know About Russia and President Trump

I like that it says "saga" at the top. Didn't scroll further than 2006 "Trump children visit Moscow".

LOL.
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The British prime minister Attlee was once asked what the difference between Democrats and Republicans in America was and he replied jobs, which doesn't say much for opposition in America, or a strategy with regard to Iraq and Russia which obviously benefited Iran.
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A short guide to Russia's election influence on social media:
http://www.slate.com/articles/techno...nd_google.html
And here are some more:

Here's what fake Russian Facebook posts during the election looked like
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I like that it says "saga" at the top. Didn't scroll further than 2006 "Trump children visit Moscow".

LOL.
Yes, "Trump children visit Moscow" looking for Trump Tower business partners is part of the story because one theory (not entirely convincing, IMO) is that Trump's love for Putin is strictly about business deals. LOL.
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May I remind you that you are now down to "Russia-based" small bucks ad campaigns on facebook with no connection to the leader of the free world at all with your little unamerican regime change campaign? And everybody is laughing at the lunacy? Sorry, but I'll do it anyway.
It's all going to come out. And when it does, yes. It will be you and your kind that we point to and laugh at.
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How many "bucks" does a psy-ops campaign need to be effective? It's placement and content that matter. Tapping human emotions will be your multiplier.
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It's all going to come out. And when it does, yes. It will be you and your kind that we point to and laugh at.
Until there is sufficient evidence (it all coming out), then it appropriate skepticism to not accept that until then. Just because you jump the gun in belief and are eventually right, doesn't me you are right to make that leap.
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Until there is sufficient evidence (it all coming out), then it appropriate skepticism to not accept that until then. Just because you jump the gun in belief and are eventually right, doesn't me you are right to make that leap.

It's just repetition. Looky:

Originally Posted by NoahFence, October 31 2016 View Post
You need to pace yourself. 8 years of her actually being president may result in a heart attack. I suggest aspirin.
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LOL @ "Blame"

What if - and i know this is odd - I'm not "blaming" anyone?

Donald Trump won fair and square - elected because there are more idiots in this country that was previously thought.

Enthusiastic repetition of common wisdom, a moment of clarity when no narrative was formed yet, back to eager repetition of common wisdom (i.e. propaganda). Ooooh, it will come out! Is Hillary done yet?

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I was slightly amused yesterday, as I was reading through some of the old birther threads. Why? Because I was reminded of one of the theories they had about Obama, namely that he was a Russian plant, brought in to bring about the destruction of US democracy and society...

I can easily imagine a good lot of them being ardent Trump supporters, busy shooting down any mention of Russian interference.
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