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Old 19th April 2018, 03:59 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
The 42nd was no different.
President Clinton was, and is slime and sleeze, and a terrible Person. He was still a decent president. Trump so far has failed for being a decent president. However, he hasn't finished one term yet. Someone may yet put a leash on him, and take away his phone.
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Old 19th April 2018, 04:26 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Shalamar View Post
President Clinton was, and is slime and sleeze, and a terrible Person. He was still a decent president. Trump so far has failed for being a decent president. However, he hasn't finished one term yet. Someone may yet put a leash on him, and take away his phone.
Shocking! Lol

To those on the right, he’s doing a pretty good job. Couple that with the hurdles he’s had.
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Old 19th April 2018, 04:37 PM   #323
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I wouldn’t consider that an accomplishment, simply because it’s so easy to do.
When you are so far right yourself, everyone else in the world is "to the left". So who would you say is right of you?

Also, just because people react even slightly negatively to these silly ploys is not "triggering". It's "sensible".

But if that's all you want out of life - getting any sort of reaction out of someone else regardless - you should go talk to Alex Jones about getting a job at Infowars. He's about to get tossed out of his, so there could be vacancy!
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Old 20th April 2018, 04:56 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Shocking! Lol

To those on the right, he’s doing a pretty good job. Couple that with the hurdles he’s had.
What hurdles? His party controls both the House and the Senate. The only hurdle he has to overcome are his lack of experience in actually setting a legislative agenda, his personality which makes lots of people from his own party not want to work with him and his character, which has causes him to react poorly to criticism and to surround himself with sycophants who are only there to bolster his ego regardless of actual competencies.

What has he accomplished?

He's managed to drag out the NAFTA renewal - and will seemingly get nothing additional out of it.
He's managed to pass an unpopular tax bill.
He's managing to move environmental regulations back, so that his grandchildren will live in a less healthy world.
He's managed to poison relations with many nations by acting like a spoiled child.
He's managed to get a significant portion of his cabinet to resign because they disagree with him.
He's managed to create deeper divides in US society between social classes, races, etc.
He's managed to lie more than any other president about a wide range of topics for no purpose.
He's reduced government income while increasing spending.
He's managed to spend more time golfing in his first year then any of the previous three presidents spent in the 8 years of their terms.
He's managed to create a contempt for legal, social and governmental norms.

Yep, 45's accomplished quite a bit.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:06 AM   #325
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The Trump/Kim Summit - USA v No. Korea - General Discussion

Frankly my bet is Kim Jong Un sees an opportunity to negotiate a great deal from a fool rather than being intimidated by Trumps bluster. Un also sees an opportunity to drive a small wedge between South Korea and the US. All with the guidance and advice of China. I think Un may be more pragmatic and intelligent than Trump but still a vicious dictator.


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Old 20th April 2018, 05:45 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
Simply not reality. He will get ALL the credit. Won’t it be fun to watch the left get triggered?
Just constantly gainsaying obvious facts shows a certain lack of perspective. But doing so in the face of facts indicates a desire to provoke unnecessary disruption in lieu of any reasoned discourse. So I am being drawn to a conclusion you are of Nordic origin, are cyanose in colour, have an obtuse stature and cranial hirsuteness, and have a preference for residing under bridges. Hardly triggering, more a decision to concentrate my energies on more viable discussions.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:47 AM   #327
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the incredible accomplishments he is getting done... what a get it done business person is able to accomplish
And with that, Logger's whole Poe act is exposed beyond any doubt. There's no possible way that even a real Trumper could believe Trump has any actual accomplishments, either during this "presidency" or at any time before.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:50 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by seayakin View Post
Frankly my bet is Kim Jong Un sees an opportunity to negotiate a great deal from a fool rather than being intimidated by Trumps bluster. Un also sees an opportunity to drive a small wedge between South Korea and the US. All with the guidance and advice of China. I think Un may be more pragmatic and intelligent than Trump but still a vicious dictator.
Agreed. It also elevates Un to the top level of the global stage, right up there with Donny. Un, and by extension North Korea, is now "somebody to be reckoned with". Whereas previously they were the pariah blacked-out starving nutcase last-Stalinist state on Earth. Donny has legitimised them.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:52 AM   #329
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Originally Posted by Border Reiver View Post
What hurdles? His party controls both the House and the Senate. The only hurdle he has to overcome are his lack of experience in actually setting a legislative agenda, his personality which makes lots of people from his own party not want to work with him and his character, which has causes him to react poorly to criticism and to surround himself with sycophants who are only there to bolster his ego regardless of actual competencies.

What has he accomplished?

He's managed to drag out the NAFTA renewal - and will seemingly get nothing additional out of it.
He's managed to pass an unpopular tax bill.
He's managing to move environmental regulations back, so that his grandchildren will live in a less healthy world.
He's managed to poison relations with many nations by acting like a spoiled child.
He's managed to get a significant portion of his cabinet to resign because they disagree with him.
He's managed to create deeper divides in US society between social classes, races, etc.
He's managed to lie more than any other president about a wide range of topics for no purpose.
He's reduced government income while increasing spending.
He's managed to spend more time golfing in his first year then any of the previous three presidents spent in the 8 years of their terms.
He's managed to create a contempt for legal, social and governmental norms.

Yep, 45's accomplished quite a bit.
You can't post the things you don't like and expect others to dislike them.

The failure of ending Obamacare can be directly tied to Trump's ineffectiveness as a leader. This also applies to a lack of an immigration bill, a faulty tax plan, and a bad budget.
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Old 20th April 2018, 07:22 AM   #330
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And with that, Logger's whole Poe act is exposed beyond any doubt. There's no possible way that even a real Trumper could believe Trump has any actual accomplishments, either during this "presidency" or at any time before.
You’re clearly not paying attention to your political enemies.
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Never Trump Republicans acknowledge that Trump has realized much of what they once only dreamed of — from tax reform and deregulation to a government about-face on climate change, the ending of the Obamacare individual mandate, and expansion of energy production.


https://www.nationalreview.com/magaz...ce-impressive/
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Old 20th April 2018, 02:21 PM   #331
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Old 20th April 2018, 04:22 PM   #332
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CNN says that North Korea says that it has shut down its nuclear program.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:04 PM   #333
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Not what I heard. They're stopping new nuclear tests. Just like the USA, Russia, China, etc.
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Old 20th April 2018, 05:15 PM   #334
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Old 20th April 2018, 06:11 PM   #335
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Yes, they are shutting down nuclear tests. Lying about it won't do any good, they are quite easy to sense. Besides, he doesn't need them anymore.
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Old 20th April 2018, 06:38 PM   #336
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Yes, they are shutting down nuclear tests. Lying about it won't do any good, they are quite easy to sense. Besides, he doesn't need them anymore.
Right. He doesn't need the tests so he's READY TO GO. He just wants to get The PDJT across the table from him ("That Kim Jon Un -- he's a nice guy. I like him.") and then say the Korean equivalent of "You fool..."
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Right. He doesn't need the tests so he's READY TO GO. He just wants to get The PDJT across the table from him ("That Kim Jon Un -- he's a nice guy. I like him.") and then say the Korean equivalent of "You fool..."
Yes, he's ready to go. Little Rocket Man has nukes, no question about it. Of course, his capability is anemic in comparison to ours, but it still makes a hell of a bargaining chip.
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Old 20th April 2018, 07:44 PM   #338
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You’re clearly not paying attention to your political enemies.

https://www.nationalreview.com/magaz...ce-impressive/
This is me paying attention to some myopic political ideologues:

Obviously the "right" does not give a rat's ass that future generations will spit on their graves.

In part, for robbing them to pay for the deficit-riding tax cuts (which are already being gobbled up by inflation). But mostly for filling the atmosphere with carbon.

On the bright side, keep up the good work, and the beleaguered survivors won't know enough about the past to know who to blame for their earthly hell. The only thing you'll have to worry about is whether there really is a vengeful God who will call your souls to account in the hereafter. Yeah, the One who arranged to have his Son tortured to death just to prove how much He "loves" you.

Well, that's unlikely. So it looks like you got this. live high on the hog, die, get off easy.
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Yes, he's ready to go. Little Rocket Man has nukes, no question about it. Of course, his capability is anemic in comparison to ours, but it still makes a hell of a bargaining chip.
All he needs is one successful one.
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KJU isn't giving up anything, since his testing facilities got buried when the mountain collapsed on top of it.
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Kim Jong-un phoned Pope Francis!!!

Kidding! We're just living the carrot phase of a carrot-n-stick polic.

No """leftist""" "pulitzer" peace prize for it. No soup for you! (said a member of Trump's cabinet)
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KJU isn't giving up anything, since his testing facilities got buried when the mountain collapsed on top of it.
Do we think he doesn't have any other facilities?
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As usual his posturing has paid off for him. This is as regular as clock work, the only difference this time is that the USA has been suckered by Un.
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Do we think he doesn't have any other facilities?
Setting up a new site would be obvious from satellite imagery.
Keep in mind that it would have to be as bunker-buster proof as possible.
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As usual his posturing has paid off for him. This is as regular as clock work, the only difference this time is that the USA has been suckered by Un.
Ya think??
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Setting up a new site would be obvious from satellite imagery.
Keep in mind that it would have to be as bunker-buster proof as possible.
Why - no one is going to bomb it?
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The comments that NK already has nuclear weapons are inaccurate. Producing a couple of nuclear explosions is just the first couple of steps toward making weapons. The first low-tech exploding devices you can make are bound to be pretty big, and you would need something to carry it to the target, so the next steps are to start working on making it smaller, and making your delivery systems' weight limits higher, until the two meet. (And then you still need a trigger that you can count on to ignite it at the right time independently.)

Our first two deployable weapons were not our first two explosions, and even the one that was named for how much smaller it was weighed almost 5 tons. They were only "deployable" for the USA because the USA had planes big enough to carry a 5-ton object and sufficient control of the air over target cities for such a plane to survive the flight in (and out). NK has neither of those. They've tested some missiles that can hit some other countries carrying almost no load, but nothing that can carry anywhere near the weight they would need.

They still need bigger missiles and smaller bombs. They'll get there if left alone to work on it long enough, but it's still years off.
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I'm a bit boggled about how excited everyone is that Kim (not "Un", that's basically his middle name) has announced a suspension of testing while negotiation is going on. Sounds like sound negotiating practice to me. Note that it's just testing that's suspended, not development or manufacturing. And they can resume whenever they feel like it.
This is going to be tricky for Trump. He's been demanding Kim make all the concessions, now he's going to have to make some for any negotiation to succeed. Which would be denounced as treason if he was a Democrat.
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The comments that NK already has nuclear weapons are inaccurate. Producing a couple of nuclear explosions is just the first couple of steps toward making weapons. The first low-tech exploding devices you can make are bound to be pretty big, and you would need something to carry it to the target, so the next steps are to start working on making it smaller, and making your delivery systems' weight limits higher, until the two meet. (And then you still need a trigger that you can count on to ignite it at the right time independently.)

Our first two deployable weapons were not our first two explosions, and even the one that was named for how much smaller it was weighed almost 5 tons. They were only "deployable" for the USA because the USA had planes big enough to carry a 5-ton object and sufficient control of the air over target cities for such a plane to survive the flight in (and out). NK has neither of those. They've tested some missiles that can hit some other countries carrying almost no load, but nothing that can carry anywhere near the weight they would need.

They still need bigger missiles and smaller bombs. They'll get there if left alone to work on it long enough, but it's still years off.
This article contains a picture of what I assume is Kim's 140 kiloton version. But perhaps the picture is misleading? That wouldn't surprise me.
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-...weapons-718980
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I'm a bit boggled about how excited everyone is that Kim (not "Un", that's basically his middle name) has announced a suspension of testing while negotiation is going on. Sounds like sound negotiating practice to me. Note that it's just testing that's suspended, not development or manufacturing. And they can resume whenever they feel like it.
This is going to be tricky for Trump. He's been demanding Kim make all the concessions, now he's going to have to make some for any negotiation to succeed. Which would be denounced as treason if he was a Democrat.
No, if it were a democrat in charge NK would be continuing to quietly do what they’ve been doing. We would be leading from behind saying if we’re just nice to them they’ll be nice to us. That is how the wimp girly man mom jeans wearing raised by his mother Obama did it.
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No, if it were a democrat in charge NK would be continuing to quietly do what they’ve been doing. We would be leading from behind saying if we’re just nice to them they’ll be nice to us. That is how the wimp girly man mom jeans wearing raised by his mother Obama did it.
Obama was a pussy. He never had the balls to talk about POTUS's much bigger and better button.
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No, if it were a democrat in charge NK would be continuing to quietly do what they’ve been doing. We would be leading from behind saying if we’re just nice to them they’ll be nice to us. That is how the wimp girly man mom jeans wearing raised by his mother Obama did it.
There have been far more missile and nuclear tests during the Trump era than there were in the Obama era. What was it NK was doing "quietly" before Trump? Silent nuclear explosions and invisible missile tests?
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Shocking! Lol

To those on the right, he’s doing a pretty good job. Couple that with the hurdles he’s had.
Well...
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Just in time for Presidents’ Day, a survey of 170 presidential historians puts Trump in dead last place – behind even James Buchanan, whom many historians blame for failing to stop the Civil War.
Ranking broken down by party and ideology:

Trump:

Republican - 40

Democrat - 44

Independant/other - 43

Conservative - 40

Liberal - 44

Moderate - 44

Overall ranking (2018) (out of 44) - 44

Keep in mind Cleveland was president twice, so there are rankings to only 44 places.

President Trump Ranks Last in 'Presidential Greatness' According to Historians

Official Results of the 2018 Presidents & Executive Politics Presidential Greatness Survey - Brandon Rottinghaus, University of Houston and Justin S. Vaughn, Boise State University
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No, if it were a democrat in charge NK would be continuing to quietly do what they’ve been doing. We would be leading from behind saying if we’re just nice to them they’ll be nice to us. That is how the wimp girly man mom jeans wearing raised by his mother Obama did it.
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Obama was a pussy. He never had the balls to talk about POTUS's much bigger and better button.
He certainly did his part in making the NK situation worse. But I’m sure all the historians will say what a great job he did. Most just can’t look at the reality in front of them.
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
Obama was a pussy. He never had the balls to talk about POTUS's much bigger and better button.
It's why Bin laden is also still alive.
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
That is how the wimp girly man mom jeans wearing raised by his mother Obama did it.
Your argument about NK is that Obama had a mom?
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Originally Posted by gabeygoat View Post
Your argument about NK is that Obama had a mom?
Yes, Im sure you got it!

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Originally Posted by gabeygoat View Post
Your argument about NK is that Obama had a mom?
Yeah, 'cuz Donald Trump was raised by wolves in Forest Hills.
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Originally Posted by gabeygoat View Post
Your argument about NK is that Obama had a mom?
Maybe if Trumps mother had participated in his raising he would be a little more human- like.
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