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Old 14th May 2018, 02:51 PM   #241
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Well, we now know why Trump is trying to save ZTE.

It seems China will be Contributing $500 Million to a Trump-Linked hotel Project in Indonesia.

Who would have guessed?
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Old 14th May 2018, 03:20 PM   #242
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Now reports that Trump talks with Hannity every night.
We have never had a situation like this our history.
Sadly, I think disaster for this country is now inevitable with Trump in the White House.Only question is how bad and in how many ways will it come.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:23 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
He is not a President. He just plays one on TV.
This TV President sure is dismantling the previous presidents legacy.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:28 PM   #244
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This TV President sure is dismantling the previous presidents legacy.
He is dismantling every social gain the US has made since the 1950's.
But I think it has been shown that White Male Christian monopoly on power is what you pretty much want anyway.
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Old 14th May 2018, 04:43 PM   #245
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He is dismantling every social gain the US has made since the 1950's.
I’ve been told it’s not good to make absolutist claims, but I know what you mean and you’re wrong.
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But I think it has been shown that White Male Christian monopoly on power is what you pretty much want anyway.
That would sure leave out a lot of people I care about. So you’re wrong again.
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Old 14th May 2018, 05:19 PM   #246
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If only we could be nicer to the Palestinians?
It's not that simple. It's rather hard to be a world power when one of the parties you're trying to negotiate with stops taking your calls.
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Old 14th May 2018, 05:24 PM   #247
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The unfortunate thing here is that there are good and valid reasons to continue to sell chips to China. We don't want Qalcom and Intel to stop selling chips to China as much as we don't want China to decide the supply of chips from the US is unreliable and they need to build their own. Our national security depends on a reliable supply of microchips and our suppliers need to sell into China to remain viable.

Oh course Trump, being the whore that he is, showed his belly at the first opportunity, negating any chance we had to gain concessions without it looking like a lame effort to salvage some credibility.
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Old 14th May 2018, 05:34 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
T has gone from calling out China as a currency manipulator and patent infringer to now assisting a Chinese company sanctioned for espionage.

But the GOP are fine with it.
He can pivot better than a ballerina.
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Old 14th May 2018, 05:39 PM   #249
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This TV President sure is dismantling the previous presidents legacy.
Is that the goal? I agree that Trump and you are instinctively against anything Obama did, but don't you think a measured approach is better than a knee-jerk, reactionary opposition?
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Old 14th May 2018, 05:55 PM   #250
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Is that the goal? I agree that Trump and you are instinctively against anything Obama did, but don't you think a measured approach is better than a knee-jerk, reactionary opposition?
It’s taken a year and a half to get this far, Obama’s legacy has been measured, weighed and found wanting.
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Old 14th May 2018, 06:00 PM   #251
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It’s taken a year and a half to get this far, Obama’s legacy has been measured, weighed and found wanting.
And what has Trump accomplished and how has it helped America? Has he made us safer? More prosperous for everyday Americans? Has he made us more united? Please explain to me his accomplishments and how we are better off. Cause I don't see it..
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Old 14th May 2018, 06:07 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
And what has Trump accomplished and how has it helped America? Has he made us safer? More prosperous for everyday Americans? Has he made us more united? Please explain to me his accomplishments and how we are better off. Cause I don't see it..
The answer will be: 'He's upsetting the loser Libs! ell oh ell!'
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Old 14th May 2018, 08:09 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
On the ZTE thing




Obviously the new sanctions on Iran aren't going to apply to China.
Here's a good fun place we've arrived, as a nation: a senator had to say, "I guess my main problem with the President helping that group of people is that they are spies intent on harming us."
But all is fair, promoting white supremacy and "pwning the libs."
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:08 AM   #254
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It’s taken a year and a half to get this far, Obama’s legacy has been measured, weighed and found wanting.
The polling data suggests otherwise.
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Old 15th May 2018, 03:09 AM   #255
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The polling data suggests otherwise.
Bah that is using liberal ideas like Math!
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:23 AM   #256
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It’s taken a year and a half to get this far, Obama’s legacy has been measured, weighed and found wanting.
Obama 8th, Trump 44th.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:27 AM   #257
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Bah that is using liberal ideas like Math!
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Obama 8th, Trump 44th.
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Old 15th May 2018, 04:40 AM   #258
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The polling data suggests otherwise.
The election proves it. It’s why hildabeast is getting drunk on Chardonnay.
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Old 15th May 2018, 05:54 AM   #259
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The election proves it. It’s why hildabeast is getting drunk on Chardonnay.
Whereas Trump is high on life (to the extent "life" is synonymous with Trump). Really high. Like, totally blitzed.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:36 AM   #260
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Maybe we can elect Obama again after Trump...
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:41 AM   #261
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The election proves it. It’s why hildabeast is getting drunk on Chardonnay.
Not at all. Trump was less popular, it was demonstrated in the polls, and the polls nailed the result at the voting booths.

No matter how you slice it, his politics are less popular than the side that lost.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:48 AM   #262
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WRT the deal where China is funding a Trump project in Indonesia to the tune of half-a-billion dollars, and Trump is using government resorces to bail out a Chinese firm which makes devices that spy on American citizens:

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/...71702740344833

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This deal has all the hallmarks of a quid pro quo. All of them.
https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/996374702020014080

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Just a reminder that the bribery law (18 U.S.C. § 201) is still one of the few ethics laws that applies to the president, and ordering a cabinet agency to take action is one of the few things that would still qualify as an “official act” after the Supreme Court gutted the law.
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Old 15th May 2018, 06:55 AM   #263
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
WRT the deal where China is funding a Trump project in Indonesia to the tune of half-a-billion dollars, and Trump is using government resorces to bail out a Chinese firm which makes devices that spy on American citizens:

https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance/...71702740344833



https://twitter.com/waltshaub/status/996374702020014080
Except you don't have evidence. You have a quid, and a quo, but you need some sort of pro that actually links the two events.
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The answer will be: 'He's upsetting the loser Libs! ell oh ell!'
Who’s he really upsetting? He makes right wing ideology so embarrassing that conservatives run away from any thread he participates in. IMO he’s arguably the most effective counter argument against right wing dogma we have at these forums.
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Who’s he really upsetting? He makes right wing ideology so embarrassing that conservatives run away from any thread he participates in. IMO he’s arguably the most effective counter argument against right wing dogma we have at these forums.
Likely true. I have a pet hypothesis that he's actually a hard left-winger pretending to be an alt-rightest to make them look bad.
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And what has Trump accomplished and how has it helped America? Has he made us safer? More prosperous for everyday Americans? Has he made us more united? Please explain to me his accomplishments and how we are better off. Cause I don't see it..
Thanks to Trump, the U.S. is approaching a situation where it has:

- The lack of financial regulations that occurred prior to the 2007/2008 recession. (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/36...frank-overhaul)

- Protectionist trade policies similar to those that helped deepen/extend the great depression (https://www.marketplace.org/2017/08/...us-legislation)

- Increased government debt (thanks mostly to a tax cut which favors the wealthy) will require more borrowing (crowding out private investments) and reduce the flexibility that the government may have in dealing with any financial emergencies in the future.

What could possibly go wrong?
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Not at all. Trump was less popular, it was demonstrated in the polls, and the polls nailed the result at the voting booths.

No matter how you slice it, his politics are less popular than the side that lost.
Lol

SCOTUS, majority of governorships, majority of legislatures. Yeah the left is so popular.
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Who’s he really upsetting? He makes right wing ideology so embarrassing that conservatives run away from any thread he participates in. IMO he’s arguably the most effective counter argument against right wing dogma we have at these forums.
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Likely true. I have a pet hypothesis that he's actually a hard left-winger pretending to be an alt-rightest to make them look bad.
More personal attacks.
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More personal attacks.
Do you need a safe space?
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Maybe we can elect Obama again after Trump...
We should, just so we can pretend that the Trump presidency was just a case of mass hallucination.
Maybe Obama can run with a serious VP and step down right after the election.
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More personal attacks.
I don’t understand how you get “personal attack” out of that exchange.
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I don’t understand how you get “personal attack” out of that exchange.
Shall we start claiming that comments of 'loser libs' are personal attacks?
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I don’t understand how you get “personal attack” out of that exchange.
Address the argument not the arguer?
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By agreeing to help ZTE, Trump has capitulated to one of China's demands for no US gain before the next round of negotiations even takes place
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The art of the deal folks, give them everything they want and maybe they will be nice to us. And make sure you get your bribe covered through other companies.
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Address the argument not the arguer?
Non sequitur. I asked how you got an attack out of that exchange.

BTW the "argument" is your oft stated claim that you are just trolling to "make liberals angry". My response, again, is that I don't care because you consistently make the conservative side look bad.

FWIW, I don't actual believe you are trolling. Rather I think you are saying what you really believe but think you can a pass on it being challenged if you are "joking". Again, though, I don't really care because you're posts are net benefit to my positions.
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Worst Deal Maker Ever.
Even a number of usually supportive Republicans are criticizing Trump for this.
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Lol

SCOTUS, majority of governorships, majority of legislatures. Yeah the left is so popular.
If you put 40 million people in one state, and less than a million in two states, one party being popular in those two latter states doesn't mean they are more popular.
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If you put 40 million people in one state, and less than a million in two states, one party being popular in those two latter states doesn't mean they are more popular.
But of course the numbers nationwide are not that far off. I have a better idea, let that one state become a country and leave the rest of us alone.
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If only we could be nicer to the Palestinians?
Worth a shot.

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Who’s he really upsetting? He makes right wing ideology so embarrassing that conservatives run away from any thread he participates in. IMO he’s arguably the most effective counter argument against right wing dogma we have at these forums.
As far as I can tell you are attributing a thought to logger that not only was speculation, you are thinking that the "he" in that speculative post referred to logger himself. Which I don't think it did; it referred to Trump.

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Do you need a safe space?
I want this forum to be a safe space. I often don't like what logger says either, but disparaging "libs lol" or "conservatives" is acceptable, while making the discourse about an arguer is not acceptable. IMO this shows imperfect comprehension of the spirit of the forum rules. (Enough weasel words there for ya ?) The rules make this forum different than the continual "yer an idiot, no yer an idiot" back and forth on some other websites.
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