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Old 26th May 2018, 10:32 AM   #1
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RFK Jr. suspects a second gunman killed his dad.

RFK Jr. is investigating his dad's murder, including meeting with Sirhan Sirhan, and he believes that RFK was killed by a second gunman. Others disagree.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e93d919817fd

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Old 26th May 2018, 10:46 AM   #2
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RFK Jr has a book to sell.
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Old 26th May 2018, 11:08 AM   #3
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RFK Jr has a book to sell.
His book's not about the assassination.
https://www.amazon.com/American-Valu...40_&dpSrc=srch
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
RFK Jr. is investigating his dad's murder, including meeting with Sirhan Sirhan, and he believes that RFK was killed by a second gunman. Others disagree.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e93d919817fd
RFK Jr also believes that vaccines cause autism.

Others disagree.
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He is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else is, but being RFK's son doesn't grant him anymore credibility that anyone else.

He was 14 years old when his father was assassinated. I doubt his father sat him down and had a heart-to-heart about who he believed may have been behind his brother's assassination and his opinion must be based more on hearsay than direct knowledge.
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RFK Jr also believes that vaccines cause autism.

Others disagree.
Yeah, this.

Disqualified contestant.
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He is as entitled to his opinion as anyone else is, but being RFK's son doesn't grant him anymore credibility that anyone else.

He was 14 years old when his father was assassinated. I doubt his father sat him down and had a heart-to-heart about who he believed may have been behind his brother's assassination and his opinion must be based more on hearsay than direct knowledge.
What? RFK Jr. has concerns about the assassination of his own father, RFK, not JFK. And some of the questions he raises have also been raised by another victim of the shooting who survived.

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Old 26th May 2018, 08:07 PM   #10
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What? RFK Jr. has concerns about the assassination of his own father, RFK, not JFK. And some of the questions he raises have also been raised by another victim of the shooting who survived.
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...led-president/

In his new tell-all, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. confessed that his notorious political family believed the CIA killed late president John F. Kennedy, RadarOnline.com can exclusively reveal.

In the candid memoir, American Values: Lessons I learned from My Family, RFK Jr. ripped the lid off of the family’s best kept secrets. He confessed it was his father, Robert F. Kennedy, who doubted the intentions of the government’s intelligence agency.


ETA: RFK Jr also made this statement, familiar as a falsehood passed along by JFK CTists:

“Jack’s own conversations drifted repeatedly to the subject of assassination, including on the morning of Nov. 22, when Jack and Jackie saw the black-bordered front page of the Dallas Morning News accusing Jack of treason,” Kennedy Jr. wrote."

You can read the Warren Commission about the "Treason" Flyer and the ad on page 14 of the DMN:

https://www.archives.gov/research/jf...-2.html#dallas

Another reaction to the impending visit -- hostile to the President --came to a head shortly before his arrival. On November 21 there appeared on the streets of Dallas the anonymous handbill mentioned above. It was fashioned after the "wanted" circulars issued by law enforcement agencies. Beneath two photographs of President Kennedy, one full- face and one profile, appeared the caption, "Wanted for Treason," followed by a scurrilous bill of particulars that constituted a vilification of the President.71 And on the morning of the President's arrival, there appeared in the Morning News a full , black-bordered advertisement headed "Welcome Mr. Kennedy to Dallas," sponsored by the American Fact-finding Committee, which the sponsor later testified was an ad hoc committee "formed strictly for the purpose of having a name to put in the paper." The "welcome" consisted of a series of statements and questions critical of the


Various CT hawkers over the years asserted the front page location of the ad. I believe RFK Jr. believes what he wants to believe.
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According to an RFK aid, the morning after the assassination CIA Director John McCone was at their home, and RFK took him out in the backyard where he grabbed McCone by the jacket, and asked him if the CIA was behind it.

Keep in mind that he idolized his brother, and that the two had been running Operation Mongoose WITH the CIA. When you run an assassination program you start to see assassins everywhere.
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Another good conspiracy theory that RFK Jr bought into was the "Bush Stole Ohio" CT that he published in Rolling Stone. It's classic CT nuttery; he starts out by mentioning this:

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The Washington Post immediately dismissed allegations of fraud as ''conspiracy theories,'' and The New York Times declared that ''there is no evidence of vote theft or errors on a large scale.''
The media are always in on the plot, don't you see?

My favorite bit was the rural counties:

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Despite the well-documented effort that prevented hundreds of thousands of voters in urban and minority precincts from casting ballots, the worst theft in Ohio may have quietly taken place in rural counties. An examination of election data suggests widespread fraud -- and even good old-fashioned stuffing of ballot boxes -- in twelve sparsely populated counties scattered across southern and western Ohio: Auglaize, Brown, Butler, Clermont, Darke, Highland, Mercer, Miami, Putnam, Shelby, Van Wert and Warren. (See The Twelve Suspect Counties) One key indicator of fraud is to look at counties where the presidential vote departs radically from other races on the ballot. By this measure, John Kerry's numbers were suspiciously low in each of the twelve counties -- and George Bush's were unusually high.
See, he compared the votes that Kerry got in those counties to the vote that a liberal woman running for the state supreme court got, and the woman outpolled Kerry. He concluded:

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Yet in the twelve questionable counties, Bush's margin over Moyer was fifty percent -- a strong indication that the president's certified vote total was inflated. If Kerry had maintained his statewide margin over Connally in the twelve suspect counties, as he almost assuredly would have done in a clean election, he would have bested her by 81,260 ballots. That's a swing of 162,520 votes from Kerry to Bush -- more than enough to alter the outcome.
I pointed out how ludicrous this assumption was back in 2006 (when RFK Jr's article was written:

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Let's take a look at the 12 "suspect" counties. First, in 2000, those counties voted for Bush by a large margin. Ignoring the third party candidates, Bush got 67.4% of the vote while Gore only managed 32.6%. In 2004, Bush upped that to 69.5% to Kerry's 30.5%. Very suspicious indeed. But looking at the big picture, what would it take to swing 80,000 votes to Kerry in those twelve "suspect" counties?

And that's where Kennedy's claim is exposed for the nonsense that it is. You see, these really are rural counties so the idea of shaking an 80,000 vote swing out of them is contrived. Bush got 382,000 votes in those counties, so we reduce that to 302,000. And we up Kerry's 168,000 to 248,000. So Bush got 54.9% in those twelve counties, as compared to his 67.4% the prior election a 12.5 percentage point decline in Bush's share of the major party vote in those twelve counties between 2000 and 2004. How does that stack up with the rest of Ohio? Well, actually Bush didn't lose 12.5 percentage points compared to 2000 in any other county. His worst performance was about a 5 percentage point drop.
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According to an RFK aid, the morning after the assassination CIA Director John McCone was at their home, and RFK took him out in the backyard where he grabbed McCone by the jacket, and asked him if the CIA was behind it.

Keep in mind that he idolized his brother, and that the two had been running Operation Mongoose WITH the CIA. When you run an assassination program you start to see assassins everywhere.
RFK went looking for answers, which makes perfect sense and he can't be faulted for it.

Allegedly he was concerned that his gang-busting and going after labor corruption precipitated his brothers assassination.

He never got answers to the questions he had, but I doubt RFK Jr. was a party to the proceedings.

If he isn't concerned enough with the facts to know something as basic as the Dallas Morning news "Treason" flyer evidence from the WC I question his motives.
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This is really interesting. I had no idea that there was a grassy knoll, a stockade fence, a drain cover, a triple underpass or a Dal-Tex building right there inside the Ambassador Hotel.... who knew?
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I confess I don't know as much about this as I probably should.

The linked article makes mention of an autopsy report that claims Kennedy was shot from behind, thus exculpating Sirhan.
Is this legit?
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I confess I don't know as much about this as I probably should.

The linked article makes mention of an autopsy report that claims Kennedy was shot from behind, thus exculpating Sirhan.
Is this legit?
The autopsy report is the official one. The question at issue regards Sirhan's and RFK's positions relative to each other. The claim is that Sirhan was in front of RFK, making it hard for Sirhan to shoot him in the back. The response is that RFK turned away from the gunman in front of him, as anyone would.

I dunno who's right. I just find it interesting that the victim's son, a lawyer himself with substantial resources, has doubts about the official account.
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Another good conspiracy theory that RFK Jr bought into was the "Bush Stole Ohio" CT that he published in Rolling Stone. It's classic CT nuttery; he starts out by mentioning this:
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RFK Jr. might not be making the best case. But he's not the only person who suspects that multiple voting "irregularities," particularly involving the Diebold voting machines produced by a major Republican donor, cost the Democrats votes.

Here's Christopher Hitchens:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503

Here's John Kerry:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-the-whirlwind

More:
https://www.motherjones.com/media/20...counting-ohio/
https://columbusfreepress.com/articl...ohio-elections
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The autopsy report is the official one. The question at issue regards Sirhan's and RFK's positions relative to each other. The claim is that Sirhan was in front of RFK, making it hard for Sirhan to shoot him in the back. The response is that RFK turned away from the gunman in front of him, as anyone would.

I dunno who's right. I just find it interesting that the victim's son, a lawyer himself with substantial resources, has doubts about the official account.
The powder stains on the skin shows that the pistol had to have been fired inches from the entrance wound pointing upwards almost 90˚.

Sirhan were never closer than 2-3 feet from in front of RFK and was forced down over a table after firing the first two shots.

RFK was hit with three shots from behind and upwards and a fourth hitting his jacket.

Sirhan didn’t assassinate RFK.

Ray didn’t assassinate MLK.

Oswald didn’t assassinate JFK.

They were all patsies, carefully crafted and put in place to take the blame for three assassinations that changed America and the world to a much more sinister place.

Who was/are behind? Hmmm ...
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The powder stains on the skin shows that the pistol had to have been fired inches from the entrance wound pointing upwards almost 90˚.

Sirhan were never closer than 2-3 feet from in front of RFK and was forced down over a table after firing the first two shots.

RFK was hit with three shots from behind and upwards and a fourth hitting his jacket.

Sirhan didn’t assassinate RFK.

Ray didn’t assassinate MLK.

Oswald didn’t assassinate JFK.

They were all patsies, carefully crafted and put in place to take the blame for three assassinations that changed America and the world to a much more sinister place.

Who was/are behind? Hmmm ...

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Looks like you need to specify your whining a little bit more, ”smart”cooky.

Give it som resemblance of direction.
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Looks like you need to specify your whining a little bit more, ”smart”cooky.

Give it som resemblance of direction.
You clearly don't know the difference between whining and mockery. I was mocking you your post, as well as telling the truth about it... NONE of what you have posted has been substantiated with evidence, it never is. It is always just unbridled speculation and bare assertion.

PS: having a go at someone's username is a violation of the MA. I won't report you this time, but next time.....
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The powder stains on the skin shows that the pistol had to have been fired inches from the entrance wound pointing upwards almost 90˚.

Sirhan were never closer than 2-3 feet from in front of RFK and was forced down over a table after firing the first two shots.
Citation needed: contradicts the article in the OP.
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RFK was hit with three shots from behind and upwards and a fourth hitting his jacket.
Citation needed.

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Sirhan didn’t assassinate RFK.

Ray didn’t assassinate MLK.

Oswald didn’t assassinate JFK.
Bare assertions. You have been soundly trounced in the JFK thread: simply doubling down on the wrongness doesn't make it any less wrong. In fact, this is simply exponential wrongness.

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They were all patsies, carefully crafted and put in place to take the blame for three assassinations that changed America and the world to a much more sinister place.
I know, right? Black rights, gay rights, women's rights, rights for the disabled, a massive increase in environmental awareness and associated action, fewer people living in poverty, and an increase in living standards pretty much worldwide.
When will we ever awaken from this nightmare?

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Who was/are behind? Hmmm ...
Judging from your post, you already know. Why not tell us? The suspense is almost tangible.
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You clearly don't know the difference between whining and mockery. I was mocking you your post, as well as telling the truth about it... NONE of what you have posted has been substantiated with evidence, it never is. It is always just unbridled speculation and bare assertion.

PS: having a go at someone's username is a violation of the MA. I won't report you this time, but next time.....
It didn't take long for the ad hom's to kick back in di it?
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The powder stains on the skin shows that the pistol had to have been fired inches from the entrance wound pointing upwards almost 90˚..
Wait a minute. Sirhan Sirhan was a couple feet from RFK, but didn't shoot him because...he was shot by someone closer?

Holy smokes, how many people were actually "inches" from RFK?

Come on, man, don't hide here. Who are you actually accusing of doing the shooting?
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Wait a minute. Sirhan Sirhan was a couple feet from RFK, but didn't shoot him because...he was shot by someone closer?

Holy smokes, how many people were actually "inches" from RFK?

Come on, man, don't hide here. Who are you actually accusing of doing the shooting?
Here is an interview with the coroner, Thomas Noguchi:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVrnB...TfkKNMy3Hds1yw

1-1.5 inch from behind. Sirhan was never closer than ca 2 feet from in front of RFK (with his pistol) according to the withesses who wrestled him down on a table. They were in between Sirhan and RFK at all time.
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According to an RFK aid, the morning after the assassination CIA Director John McCone was at their home, and RFK took him out in the backyard where he grabbed McCone by the jacket, and asked him if the CIA was behind it.

Keep in mind that he idolized his brother, and that the two had been running Operation Mongoose WITH the CIA. When you run an assassination program you start to see assassins everywhere.
Wrong. There are NO evidence of any of the Kennedy brothers involved in any assassination plans on anybody, Castro included. On the contrary, when they found out that CIA and the mob worked together to assassinate Castro, they became outraged and ordered it to stop imediatly.

CIA made assurances that the operations were terminated, lying to the president and his brother since they were in full swing = treason.

This is confirmed by CIA’s own internal investigations and testified to the Congress during the Church hearings in the mid 70ies.
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Wrong. There are NO evidence of any of the Kennedy brothers involved in any assassination plans on anybody, Castro included. On the contrary, when they found out that CIA and the mob worked together to assassinate Castro, they became outraged and ordered it to stop imediatly.

CIA made assurances that the operations were terminated, lying to the president and his brother since they were in full swing = treason.

This is confirmed by CIA’s own internal investigations and testified to the Congress during the Church hearings in the mid 70ies.
The Kennedy Brothers were running a murder-incorporated in the Gulf of Mexico. Mongoose was indeed RFK's pet project. The HSCA, that body you love to quote, pulled all of the Mongoose Files (which are all online).

Ngo Dinh Diem was murdered on orders from JFK

Gen. Rafael Trujillo, murdered on orders from JFK.

The CIA supports the Ba'athists, including Saddam Hussein, in a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government with the blessing of JFK.

JFK was just as dirty as every other President.
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Here is an interview with the coroner, Thomas Noguchi:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DHVrnB...TfkKNMy3Hds1yw

1-1.5 inch from behind. Sirhan was never closer than ca 2 feet from in front of RFK (with his pistol) according to the withesses who wrestled him down on a table. They were in between Sirhan and RFK at all time.
1. I'm about average height. My reach without a handgun is 50cm from chest to the heel of my closed fist.

2. The firearm Sirhan Sirhan used was an Iver Johnson .22 calibre Cadet 55-A. Its overall length from pistol grip heel to muzzle is 9.25 inches (23.5cm)

3. If I am holding the firearm with a nornal grip and a closed fist, the muzzle would be 73.5 (50+23.5cm) in front of me... that is 2ft 5in.

If I am only two feet from a person, holding that handgun, even with two people between us, I can easily reach between them and shoot that person with a contact wound.
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1. I'm about average height. My reach without a handgun is 50cm from chest to the heel of my closed fist.

2. The firearm Sirhan Sirhan used was an Iver Johnson .22 calibre Cadet 55-A. Its overall length from pistol grip heel to muzzle is 9.25 inches (23.5cm)

3. If I am holding the firearm with a nornal grip and a closed fist, the muzzle would be 73.5 (50+23.5cm) in front of me... that is 2ft 5in.

If I am only two feet from a person, holding that handgun, even with two people between us, I can easily reach between them and shoot that person with a contact wound.
The pistol were never closer than ca three feet. After shooting two shots he was wrestled down on a table and kept shooting with his arm locked on to the table.

RFK was shot from the behind.
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The pistol were never closer than ca three feet. After shooting two shots he was wrestled down on a table and kept shooting with his arm locked on to the table.

RFK was shot from the behind.
More dishonesty. You've changed your claim to fit your story (again). You claimed two feet.
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The Kennedy Brothers were running a murder-incorporated in the Gulf of Mexico. Mongoose was indeed RFK's pet project. The HSCA, that body you love to quote, pulled all of the Mongoose Files (which are all online).
Were there explicit plans of assassinating Castro in these papers? Cite.

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Ngo Dinh Diem was murdered on orders from JFK
Hardly. When he got the news of the killing of the Diem brothers his face got white/gray and he left the room. He didn’t even ok the overthrow of Diem since he was in Hyannis Port that weekend resting with his family.

But you continue the ’second cover up’, the one that is trying to obscure JFK’s presidency, because it explains why he was assassinated.

Exactly what Nixon understood when ordering CIA’s Howard Hunt to fabricate messages from JFK to Saigon were he ”orders” the overthrow and assassination of the Diem brothers.

This is in the HSCA archives, Hunt confessing what he did.

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Gen. Rafael Trujillo, murdered on orders from JFK.
Lol.

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The CIA supports the Ba'athists, including Saddam Hussein, in a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government with the blessing of JFK.
Show me this ”blessing”.

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JFK was just as dirty as every other President.
No, he was a decent guy who really tried to change US and the world to a better place for ordinary people.

That is why he got assassinated.

The same goes for:

RFK
MLK
Lumumba
Arbenz
Allende
Hammarskjöld
Merton
Palme
Moro
Sneyder
Letelier
Lennon

To name a few.
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More dishonesty. You've changed your claim to fit your story (again). You claimed two feet.
No, I said 2 - 3 feet. A quick check with my sources says 3 feet as the closest aproximation.
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...RFK was shot from the behind.
I've heard of "shooting from the hip" before. But to pull off the shot you're describing must've taken all sorts of practice.
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I've heard of "shooting from the hip" before. But to pull off the shot you're describing must've taken all sorts of practice.
Indeed. To shoot somebody behind the ear standing in front of him with the pistol not closer than ca three feet and with another guy in between takes, not only practice, but magic. Four shots from behind lying spread on a table in front of the target.

Some feat.
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Were there explicit plans of assassinating Castro in these papers? Cite.
Here's one of hundreds:

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105759.pdf

It details a meeting of the Special Activities Group where all kinds of subversive actives are discussed. RFK is clearly in the look to the point of making suggestions for future activities.

Your ignorance on the Kennedys is impressive.

Here's another where RFK is at the meeting discussing sabotage:

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105754.pdf

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Hardly. When he got the news of the killing of the Diem brothers his face got white/gray and he left the room. He didn’t even ok the overthrow of Diem since he was in Hyannis Port that weekend resting with his family.
Sorry, all assassination orders come from the President.

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But you continue the ’second cover up’, the one that is trying to obscure JFK’s presidency, because it explains why he was assassinated.
No.

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Exactly what Nixon understood when ordering CIA’s Howard Hunt to fabricate messages from JFK to Saigon were he ”orders” the overthrow and assassination of the Diem brothers.

This is in the HSCA archives, Hunt confessing what he did.
Hunt never confessed to anything.

More importantly the Pentagon Papers details JFK's direct involvement:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm

This information has been available for over 40 years, why are you trying to rewrite history.

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No, he was a decent guy who really tried to change US and the world to a better place for ordinary people.

That is why he got assassinated.
Yes, by standing up to the evils of communism and the Soviet threat, and by expanding the military to enable us to more easily kill communists. That's why he was a great President.

It's also why a communist killed him.
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RFK Jr. might not be making the best case. But he's not the only person who suspects that multiple voting "irregularities," particularly involving the Diebold voting machines produced by a major Republican donor, cost the Democrats votes.

Here's Christopher Hitchens:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/03/hitchens200503

Here's John Kerry:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...-the-whirlwind

More:
https://www.motherjones.com/media/20...counting-ohio/
https://columbusfreepress.com/articl...ohio-elections
All classic conspiracy theorizing. CTs look for minor inconsistencies and proclaim them to be evidence of the conspiracy or evidence of the cover-up.

From Hitchens:

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First, the county-by-county and precinct-by-precinct discrepancies. In Butler County, for example, a Democrat running for the State Supreme Court chief justice received 61,559 votes. The Kerry-Edwards ticket drew about 5,000 fewer votes, at 56,243. This contrasts rather markedly with the behavior of the Republican electorate in that county, who cast about 40,000 fewer votes for their judicial nominee than they did for Bush and Cheney. (The latter pattern, with vote totals tapering down from the top of the ticket, is by far the more general—and probable—one nationwide and statewide.)
Sounds very mysterious indeed, until you realize that judges in Ohio are elected on a non-partisan basis--there is no Dem or Rep next to their names.

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So what seems most probable to me is that people seeing two names on the ballot that they are not familiar with, simply pick one reasonably randomly. How many people know the names of their state's Supreme Court Justices?

Couldn't read the John Kerry article (too many New Yorker articles this month), but Kerry is obviously not a neutral observer in this matter. And Mother Jones? Please. The Columbus Free Press article is by Bob Fitrakis, who is the original source of most of these supposed anomalies.

Fitrakis hasn't stopped; he thinks Hillary stole the New York primary election from Bernie Sanders in 2016:

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Well one of the obvious things in this election was the visible hijacking of Bernie Sanders voters. Bernie brought in what political scientists would call an asymmetrical entrance of new voters. He went out and got a lot of people that hadn't voted previously and at first emerged in New York City, in Brooklyn where you had 126 thousand people.

Overwhelmingly new voters supporting Bernie that were purged at the last second from the voting rolls. And that's being investigated but it turned out to be a clerk said to have Republican leanings. But just prior to the purge, the daughter of a Clinton super delegate had bought property from her. A million and a half dollars over the street value that wasn't even being listed. So at least it calls into question, whether it was an old fashioned Tammany Hall bribe for purging voters.
As I pointed out at the time, Fitrakis was blowing it out his hindquarters. The 126,000 people who were purged from the rolls were not first-time voters; about half had moved out of the district (evidenced by their mailings being returned to sender) or were purged for not voting in the prior two federal elections (after having previously registered and/or voted).

I do love that bit about how the clerk with Republican leanings got a cool $1.5 million over "street value" for her property. It is amazing how outlets like the New York Times and the Washington Post miss stories like that.
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Here's one of hundreds:

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105759.pdf

It details a meeting of the Special Activities Group where all kinds of subversive actives are discussed. RFK is clearly in the look to the point of making suggestions for future activities.

Your ignorance on the Kennedys is impressive.

Here's another where RFK is at the meeting discussing sabotage:

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32105754.pdf
Quote the part were he plans to assassinate Castro.

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Sorry, all assassination orders come from the President.
Cite the orders. One at the time.

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No.
Of course you do. You are claiming that JFK/RFK ordered the assassinations of:

- Trujillo

- The Diem brothers

- Castro

So far nothing in the form evidence. Do you have any?

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Hunt never confessed to anything.
Yes he did. Under oath to the US Congress: https://youtu.be/q4BxueYtcG4

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More importantly the Pentagon Papers details JFK's direct involvement:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htm

This information has been available for over 40 years, why are you trying to rewrite history.
Cite the part were JFK:

1. Orders the coup.

2. Orders the assassination of the Diem brothers.

Funny thing, this is the first bolded sentence/headline in the article you are sourcing:

DOCUMENTS SHOW NO THOUGHT OF DIEM ASSASSINATION


Maybe you should read it again?

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Yes, by standing up to the evils of communism and the Soviet threat, and by expanding the military to enable us to more easily kill communists. That's why he was a great President.
It is correct that JFK was an anti communist but he was more than that. He saw a third way were the new post colonial nations by self determination could develop their society in free and democratic ways aided by the west. Not having to chose between totalitarian communism or proxy right wing dictatorship controlled by the former colonizers and the US. As pawns in the Cold War.

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It's also why a communist killed him.
Lol.
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miscellaneous noise snipped

That is why he got assassinated.

The same goes for:

RFK
MLK
Lumumba
Arbenz
Allende
Hammarskjöld
Merton
Palme
Moro
Sneyder
Letelier
Lennon

To name a few.
Everybody knows Stephen King murdered John Lennon.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...ot-john-lennon
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CT handwaving, bare assertions, unbridled speculation, unevidenced theories, unsupported claims; it just hilarious to read.

Watching them thump the table in anger as they forever expand the conspiracy to account for the evidenced rebuttals of their absurd ideas is the best type of comedy... it just never gets old.
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Quote the part were he plans to assassinate Castro.

Cite the orders. One at the time.

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You can go read the documents yourself.



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Of course you do. You are claiming that JFK/RFK ordered the assassinations of:

- Trujillo

- The Diem brothers

- Castro

So far nothing in the form evidence. Do you have any?
The CIA works on behalf of the White House and Congress, mostly the NSC. Everything they've ever done was green-lit by the White House, and the House Intelligence Oversight Committee. The CIA does not act on its own behalf.

You'd know this if you'd read real history books.

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Cite the part were JFK:

1. Orders the coup.
His original draft letter justifying the coup:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn14.pdf

Meeting checklist about the coup:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn18.pdf

Conference where General Taylor advises JFK not to think of Vietnam like a football game, and RFK agrees, yet they press on:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn19.pdf

White House advising Ambassador Lodge that they will back the RVN Generals in the coup:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn21.pdf

Ambassador Lodge lying to Diem:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn23.pdf

CIA memo touting success of the coup:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/vn24.pdf

Saying that JFK had no idea Diem would be killed is the same as Bush saying he had no idea there would be an Iraqi Insurgency.


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It is correct that JFK was an anti communist but he was more than that. He saw a third way were the new post colonial nations by self determination could develop their society in free and democratic ways aided by the west.
Uh huh, Pax Americana, and he built up the military, created covert commando units in the Army and Navy, and broadened the CIA's operational scope beyond its charter. "Post Colonial" Vietnam was his model.

Bottom Line under JFK: Our way or else.

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Not having to chose between totalitarian communism or proxy right wing dictatorship controlled by the former colonizers and the US. As pawns in the Cold War.
And yet that's what he did.
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