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Old 5th June 2018, 09:58 AM   #1
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Vigilante Veterans With Crazy Imaginations

A group called Veterans On Patrol thinks they have found an abandoned child sex trafficking camp in Arizona. Nothing really suggests that they have.


Vigilante veterans group claims they have uncovered a 'child sex trafficking camp' with a 'hidden bunker of stuffed toys', a 'rape tree' and a branch etched with the name 'Maddie'

Originally Posted by Daily Mail
The abandoned camp near Tucson, Arizona, was uncovered by Veterans On Patrol, which helps ex-servicemen who have become homeless.

The veterans believe the site was used to confine and sexually abuse children, although police say they have carried out a full inspection and believe it was solely used as a homeless shelter.

The bunker can only accessed by a small opening and was found stuffed with children's clothing and toys. The veterans claim this was where children were locked up and held captive.

Meanwhile, Jon McLane, 35, chaplain of Bravo Base, a nearby homeless camp, found a tree with hand restraints and a swing, which he described as a 'rape tree'.

The name 'Maddie' is also written across a tree trunk in child-like writing, while reporters who visited the scene found pornography and lubricant.

Tuscon police officers have visited the site and say there is no evidence that human trafficking has taken place there.

Cops also brought a cadaver dog along amid rumors there were bodies buried at the site, but the search turned up nothing.

But Jon McLane, chaplain of the group which found the camp, says there is little doubt in his mind that trafficking victims were kept here....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ffed-toys.html
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Old 6th June 2018, 01:07 AM   #2
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According to the local god botherers who found it, it just doesn't look like it could be a homeless camp because what parent would put their kids into a semi-closed cistern. It just doesn't look very nice.

Yeah, not like all the other homeless camps under bridges and in sewers, which are like getting the Genghis Khan suite at Mar-A-Lago. These guys supposedly work with the homeless and don't realize that parents would leap at that space to put their kids in to keep them safe!

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/...afficking-camp

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While it's too early to tell who could be behind the alleged trafficking camp, Sawyer says the location could give some clues.

"MS-13 or the Mexican drug cartel would be my first two guesses," he explained. The site is located right next to Interstate 19, which runs all the way to Mexico.

Whatever the truth behind this site may be, Sawyer says he will continue to glorify Christ by fighting those who wish to do children harm.

"This is the frontline between good and evil," he shared, adding that the Church needs to be on the forefront of the battle against human trafficking.
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Something tells me that if these guys would find a discarded banana peel, they'd take it as a sign that a Mexican gang tried to rape a kid with a banana.
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What if MS13 can turn themselves into banana peels?



Heck, what if they wield magic powers?
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What are they calling hand restraints? Those aren't things I'd expect to find at a campsite...
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Zip ties, I expect. Or maybe just duct tape.
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Huh, I find myself conflicted. They seem to be nutty as squirrel turds... but at least their hearts are in the right place?
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There is something seriously messed up with people who badly want to make up stories about pedophile rape gangs. It seems almost trendy nowadays.
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Not "vigilante veterans", they are a vigilante mob. And they have guns. GREAT!
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Huh, I find myself conflicted. They seem to be nutty as squirrel turds... but at least their hearts are in the right place?
Are you sure about that? I've gut a shiny ten baht coin with your name on it if you can prove that.
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Not "vigilante veterans", they are a vigilante mob. And they have guns. GREAT!
I don't think any them are actually veterans either.
There's a one-sided standoff shaping up in Tucson, Arizona. A group called Veterans on Patrol, headed up by a guy who has never served in the military, found an abandoned homeless camp.
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They've got Craig Sawyer, who seems to have been a Navy SEAL.

That's more than enough for a lot of people - it is like sacrilege to doubt a SEAL. I gather a few of the people who were at the Bunkerville and Malheur standoffs are there as well. Some of them have even found a tower to climb up.

Deep seated crazyness. I wonder how long this "standoff" will last this time around.
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Old 6th June 2018, 08:37 PM   #13
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Huh, I find myself conflicted. They seem to be nutty as squirrel turds... but at least their hearts are in the right place?
The fellow who shot up the pizza place has his heart in the right place. His brain and trigger finger were nowhere near the right place.

These guys seem to be more in that mold.
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They've got Craig Sawyer, who seems to have been a Navy SEAL.

That's more than enough for a lot of people - it is like sacrilege to doubt a SEAL. I gather a few of the people who were at the Bunkerville and Malheur standoffs are there as well. Some of them have even found a tower to climb up.

Deep seated crazyness. I wonder how long this "standoff" will last this time around.
Craig Sawyer is from a different group but seems to support this one. That's no surprise; he's the guy who "broke the story" that Trump has made good on his promise and that 3000 elite paedophiles have been arrested since Donnie Johnny took office, but no one but he (and now Infowars listeners) has the story.

Sawyer may be crazier than the Tucson group by multiples of ten.
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In an earlier century they'd be telling us they'd found definite evidence of a witches' sabbat and human sacrifice and the devil's footprints.
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I really, really hope they never find someone they suspect is a pedophile.
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Old 7th June 2018, 12:34 AM   #18
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If they're anything like some of the people here in the UK they'll probably harrass a paediatrician, or someone riding in a pedalo, or maybe someone wearing speedos...
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The fellow who shot up the pizza place has his heart in the right place. His brain and trigger finger were nowhere near the right place.

These guys seem to be more in that mold.
The right place for a heart is behind the ribs. Unless they're dead, every human has their heart in the right place. With a very few exceptions, as I understand.
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In an earlier century they'd be telling us they'd found definite evidence of a witches' sabbat and human sacrifice and the devil's footprints.
That's not just for an earlier century. About ten years ago, an evangelical group headed up by one Danny Nahllia announced that they had uncovered evidence of a witch's sabbat on top of a mountain here in Canberra. They had a big gathering and exorcism there one day which attracted quite a bit of attention at the time. I covered it for a podcast I was working on at the time.

Their "evidence" consisted of what they claimed were bloodstains from animal sacrifice. The so-called "bloodstains" were in fact rust at the base of a large steel aircraft beacon.
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In an earlier century they'd be telling us they'd found definite evidence of a witches' sabbat and human sacrifice and the devil's footprints.

With "an earlier century", are you thinking of the 1980s and the 1990s?
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Zip ties, I expect. Or maybe just duct tape.

"Trees equipped with restraints." It's probably regular gardening: Tree restaint
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Not "vigilante veterans", they are a vigilante mob. And they have guns. GREAT!
Armed violent mobs are the best. A real american cultural tradition.

See the moving testimony here

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...e-riot-of-1921

Ah when america was truly great. And we can get back to those times!
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Zip ties, I expect. Or maybe just duct tape.
Neither. It looks like some canvas utility straps affixed to tree trunks. Not at all practical for child restraints on a "rape tree".

The skeptical journalist (JJ MacNab) who is working on this says that the police have already interviewed the family that built and lived in this camp.

These crazies remind me of Bigfoot believers. No amount of facts, rationality or reasoning will stop them. Cable TV could do a series featuring these nutjobs - "Finding Pedo".
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The comments section underneath that article makes me wonder how some people function in real life.
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There is something seriously messed up with people who badly want to make up stories about pedophile rape gangs. It seems almost trendy nowadays.

I remember a newspaper article back in the 90s on how to protect your children from becoming gay. One item was the necessity of walking a fine line on where you lived. Big cities were described as being full of homosexuals looking for recruits, while the country was described as being full of roving homosexual rape gangs. They actually referenced "Deliverance", apparently thinking it was a documentary.
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If they're anything like some of the people here in the UK they'll probably harrass a paediatrician, or someone riding in a pedalo, or maybe someone wearing speedos...
Surely, it's okay to harass someone wearing speedos.

ETA: Pedalo means "paddle boat" on this side of the pond. Pedalo does really seem more sinister, but still, I'd go for the speedo guy first. (NOTE: "go for" is suggestive in a sense I didn't mean, but "take out" and "focus on" didn't work any better.)

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By "paddle boat" do you mean those things with the big wheels at the back?
Over here it's a plastic two-seater boat, possibly shaped like a swan, that you pedal...
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By "paddle boat" do you mean those things with the big wheels at the back?
Over here it's a plastic two-seater boat, possibly shaped like a swan, that you pedal...
We use the term paddle boat for both the big guys and the small guys. Never heard the term pedalo before.
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Are you sure about that? I've gut a shiny ten baht coin with your name on it if you can prove that.
Prove what? That they seem nuts or that being opposed to human trafficking and rape counts as having one's heart in the right place?
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Prove what? That they seem nuts or that being opposed to human trafficking and rape counts as having one's heart in the right place?
The last one.

As TM alluded to earlier, one might say that some witch-hunters had their hearts in the right place too.
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The last one.
I'm at a bit of a loss. Can you provide an example where the principle of opposing human trafficking would be interpreted as being immoral or otherwise having one's heart in the wrong place?
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I'm at a bit of a loss. Can you provide an example where the principle of opposing human trafficking would be interpreted as being immoral or otherwise having one's heart in the wrong place?
See my edit.

How about

"There is a real problem with White Slavers and the Arabs are the main perpetrators"
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See my edit.
Re: your edit... yeah, one could still say that their hearts were in the right place. But their brains and their actions certainly weren't. Good intentions are still good intentions. But bad actions (or even poorly thought out actions) aren't necessarily good because of intentions - bad actions are still bad actions. A murderer who murders a bad guy is still a murderer, and murder is still bad. The murder he/she committed doesn't magically become a good and noble act because the intention was to rid the world of a killer.

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How about

"There is a real problem with White Slavers and the Arabs are the main perpetrators"
I don't follow you. Can you expand please?
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Re: your edit... yeah, one could still say that their hearts were in the right place. But their brains and their actions certainly weren't. Good intentions are still good intentions

Is making up stories about finding lairs of paedophiles a good intention?
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I'm not sure calling these people vigilantes is accurate, since they don't seem to have attacked or harassed any other people or broken any laws themselves. Right now it seems to be just a bunch of old people telling spooky stories.
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Old 7th June 2018, 10:30 AM   #39
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It's a good way to go looking for people it's acceptable to assault.
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If someone becomes a vigilante over this, then calling that person a vigilante will be okay. But until that happens, there is a categorical absence of vigilantism here.

I would guess these folks' blatant racism was already enough of an excuse to assault an acceptable target if they were ever of a mind to do so.
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