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Old 10th June 2018, 07:45 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Evidence?

Remarkable isn't it how Manifesto pretends to know exactly what the evil conspiracy planned to do. I wonder if they put out an outline, powerpoint slide presentation and a Youtube video to make sure everyone knows.....lol
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Old 10th June 2018, 07:49 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
Remarkable isn't it how Manifesto pretends to know exactly what the evil conspiracy planned to do. I wonder if they put out an outline, powerpoint slide presentation and a Youtube video to make sure everyone knows.....lol
Didn't you know? He was actually there during the planning.
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Old 10th June 2018, 07:53 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Didn't you know? He was actually there during the planning.
....ahh guilt....... maybe he was the coffee boy and that would make him only 70-75 years old then. Maybe everything was faked wrong because he was in charge?
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Old 10th June 2018, 08:08 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I'm amazed that you still do not understand what Hank is doing when he does this... no, actually, on second thoughts I'm not amazed.

What Hank is doing is showing up the duplicitous posting you indulge in;

► You post claims without evidence, and then refuse to provide evidence to support said claims.
I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner.

Hanks ”method” is not going to provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so.

I have explained all this to Hank, but he is not interested in that. He has a different agenda.

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► Any time anyone else makes a claim, you demand evidence, and when they do, you dismiss it, or handwave it away, or move the goalposts and demand evidence for your adjusted claim.
That is your highly slanted version of events without any resemblance with reality, yes.

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Now this might cop me some grief with the mods but IMO, you are simply incapable of debating honestly.
Well, comming from you, thats a good sign of the opposite.

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This might look like I am attacking the arguer instead of the argument,
Might?

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but I've had it with debating your spurious arguments when you simply refuse to debate honestly.
Turn that around times 10 and you’ll start getting the picture.

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I, we, all of us, have been more than patient in dealing with you
What?

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and trying to debate with you, but you simply cheat the debate by spamming the thread with truckloads of bare assertions, unevidenced claims, logical fallacies and outright lies.
Well, maybe it is because you do not like what I have to say?!

I agree that there are a number of claims I’ve made that awaits supporting evidence, but that is still way way fewer than the claims made by you and your congregation. You call it ”the null” and ”concilience” and stuff, don’t you!

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Enough! From here on in, your claims will not be addressed or answered by me. Either
I believe this is the third? time you make this promise?

Explain why a federal regulation states that certain procedures should be followed that should not be followed.

I’m curious how you get this working in your mind. Logically.

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1. You will simply be asked to provide evidence in support, and I will not address your claims further until you do provide supporting evidence, or
Done deal.

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2. I will copypasta my last answer to that question
Done deal.

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If I ran the zoo, I would do what the admin does at Apollohoax... put you on moderation and not publish any more of your posts to the thread unless they contain answers to outstanding questions you have been asked and that you keep running away from.
I’m not running away from anything. I’m trying to do two things:

1. Stay on subject and not being bogged down in more subjects.

2. Respond to false sweeping statements with equally sweeping but true statements providing a true counter narrative to that contrived and promulgated by the US National Security State since the minute JFK died in Parkland Memorial.

Talk back to power.

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Old 10th June 2018, 08:47 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
On the contrary, it was very simple.

1. Elements within the CIA planned and organized the assassination. The old boys network with crazy Allen Dulles at the helm.

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Well, that sounds scary. Too bad it's not true.

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2. Crazy Edgar and bat **** crazy Lyndon organized the cover-up.
The new documents and the old documents prove otherwise, but why let facts get in the way of a good ghost story?

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Dallas T-2 Harry Holmes + FBI

Dallas T-2 Harry Holmes + FBI

Dallas T-2 Harry Holmes + FBI
Harry Holmes was a Postal Inspector, did you know the US Postal Inspection Service is a powerful investigative branch of the government? They don't orders from the FBI or the CIA. In fact, as an American, I'd take on the FBI or the CIA before I decided to mess with the Post Office. They have a conviction rate most law enforcement agencies can only dream about.

In fact, nobody makes fun of their acronym: USPIS. That says something.

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

Grownups can read about them here:

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

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No need to pay Kleins
That would be rude, and it would be mail fraud.

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Yes, they controlled the technical evidence.
How? We need details, names, locations, etc

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No, switching photographs from the actual autopsy to some taken after the reconstruction of the back of the head.
Neverhappened

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Well, just show me the chains of custody.
I posted those DPD documents already so you're on your own.

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Or manipulating Oswald to hold the rifle some time before the day of the assassination.
Considering Oswald didn't trust anyone this is unlikely.

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Well, they didn’t. They used the same people involved in the plans and efforts to assassinate Castro & co.
RFK was in on it?

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Bill Harvey. David Atlee Philips. E. Howard Hunt. David Morales. ”Colonel” John Roselli. To name some of the more famous participants.
What about Tiny Tim? There is no evidence he was anywhere near Dallas so obviously he was in on it too.

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And the Cuban exiles.
But not Castro.

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They assassinated JFK as revenge for Bay of Pigs and as a pretext for US to invade Cuba and restore them to power.
And yet, even though Oswald WAS a communist, and may have had contacts with Cuban operatives, they somehow failed to link him to Castro...or was the plan to invade Cuba by sneaking in through Da Nang?

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This did not happen, but I can see a couple of plausible reasons for this. That the commie patsy didn’t die shortly after the assassination could be one such reason.
Why would he die at all?

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Another is that the people at the very top lied to the people on the ground, and that there wouldn’t be a retaliation attack on Cuba no matter what. They just used the anger in those networks to do their bidding.
That makes no sense

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Johnson, Dulles and Hoover. These three crazy old men had almost total control and power the second JFK’s was declared dead and they knew this would be so before they desided to go ahead.
Dulles was out of government. Johnson would be President, but under the Constitution the President does not have total control of anything, Congress does. Hoover didn't have any more power on 11/23/63 than he did on 11/21/63.

Your grasp of US history is creative to say the least
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Old 10th June 2018, 09:06 PM   #166
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How about you stop playing the stupid game of yours, and just post the evidence at the time you make the claim.
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Old 10th June 2018, 09:18 PM   #167
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Yawn more refusal, more lies and more no evidence.
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Old 10th June 2018, 09:23 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I'm amazed that you still do not understand what Hank is doing when he does this... no, actually, on second thoughts I'm not amazed.

What Hank is doing is showing up the duplicitous posting you indulge in;

► You post claims without evidence, and then refuse to provide evidence to support said claims.

► Any time anyone else makes a claim, you demand evidence, and when they do, you dismiss it, or handwave it away, or move the goalposts and demand evidence for your adjusted claim.
Actually, you started it with a list of nine of Manifesto's claims where you asked simply for 'Evidence?'.

I kept your nine and started adding to it.

Here's the full list of one hundred. I stopped at that point:

Here's the 100 claims by Manifesto that he was asked to provide evidence for. He has yet to support any of them with legitimate evidence.

1 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- I know that at least two shooters fired at least 5 rifle shots, four from behind the limo and one, the fatal headshot, from in front behind the picket fence on the knoll.

2 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That the cover up kicked in as soon the last shot was fired.
- That Oswald did not shoot anyone that day and that he was the patsy he claimed he was.

3 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That JFK was assassinated in a covert coup d’etat because he was leading the US and the rest of the world in a completely different direction than that of the US National Security State.

4 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That (elements within) the CIA was behind the planning and execution of the assassination, using the same network/nexus used in the attempts to assassinate Castro.

5 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That LBJ and Hoover was in on it guaranteeing the cover up.

6 - Evidence?
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That some of the highest military brass was in on it and prepared to intervene if the cover up did not succeed, making the coup overt.

7 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That heavy elements within MSM in connection with CIA/Dulles was in on it, providing the necessary propaganda and cover up.

8 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That most of all those who took part in the cover up on different levels did it for reasons of National Security, black mail and/or following orders.

9 - Evidence?
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That the cover up, when institutionalized, became impossible to uncover without a revolutionary change in US society.

#10 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- On the knoll behind the white picket fence within a square yard and with a probality of P = 1/100 000 for being random static/noice.

#11 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- The majority of the asked witnesses (51 individuals) on and around Dealey Plaza stating that shot/s came from (direction of) the knoll.

#12 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Multiple witnesses saw and smelled gunsmoke on and down Hill from the knoll.

#13 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Almost all of the witnesses observing JFK’s headwounds close up, ca 50 doctors, nurses, forensic pathologists from three hospitals and officers from two federal police agencies, saw a big gaping wound in the right back of the head - typical exit wound.

#14 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- The doctors in Parkland observing JFK’s throat before the tracheotomy seeing a small round punctuated entrance wound.

#15 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Both the chief of DPD and Sheriffs Department radioed all of their men up behind the picket fence seconds after the shooting. They were both in the lead car on Elm Street when the shooting took place.

#16 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- All the bystanders who ran up the knoll to see if they could help catch the assassin/s.

#17 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- An unknown man identifying himself with Secret Service credentials to the two first officers coming up behind the fence, never to be seen again. No real Secret Service agents was on and around the Dealey Plaza until ca 20 minutes after the shooting.

#18 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Multiple witnesses saw suspect individuals with suspect weapons behind the fence on the knoll.

#19 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- The Zapruder film showing JFK’s head violently snap back and to the left when hit by the fatal shot = shot from in front to the right = the knoll.

#20 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Harpers fragment identified as a fresh 7x5 cm big cranial fragment of occipital bone by three forensic pathologists at Methodist Hospital = lower part of the back of the head = big gaping wound = exit wound = shot from in front.

#21 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Multiple reports of intimidation of witnesses and editing of their testimonies.

#22 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- At least three instances of willfull disinformation from MSM regarding possible directions of shots.

#23 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Surpression of the content of the Zapruder film showing JFK’s head snapping violently back and to the left. The ”gruesome-argument” is mute because accuratly explaining the head movement doesn’t equal showing it in public.

#24 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4231
- Shall I continue? There are more.

#25- Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
- Dr. Perry lying to the WC that it was the press who had misquoted him at Parkland. Transcript from the press conference later found, show that the press did NOT misquote him.

#26- Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
- LIFE Magazine publishing an article saying that JFK turned around almost 180˚ when hit in the throat = not a shot from in front.

#27 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
- The autopsy doctors ordered by ”some general” to stop brobing JFK’s bullet holes for direction and/or trajectories.

#28 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
- Dr. Humes lying to the WC of not knowing of the bullet hole beneath the tracheotomy in spite of being on the phone with Dr. Perry the evening/night of the autopsy = did not investigate it for direction or trajectory.

#29 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
The exit wound was a big gaping wound in the right side of the back of the head according almost all of the witnesses observing and handling JFK’s headwounds after the shooting.

#30 -
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4258
No. If the bullet from the knoll hits the right temple there is enough angle for it to exit the right side of the back of the head. That said, bullets often deflect (change trajectory) to a considerable degree after hitting the target, in this case human skin, hard cranial bone and brain under high pressure.

#31 -
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4267
1. The Parkland doctors claimed that it looked just as a classic entrance wound. Until investigating it further this is not proof of an entrance wound, just inconclusive (but strong) evidence.

#32 -
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4267
2. The efforts to litterally cover up this typical but not proved entrance wound, is proof of covering up shots from in front = conspiracy.

#33 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4241
My contention is that the x-rays are forgeries and that the photos of the back of the head are taken after the reconstruction of JFK’s headwounds making him presentable for the coming funeral.

#34 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
Your imagination is boiling up to a frenzy, Hans. Ever heard of the phrase ”National Security”? ”Do not embarrass the Bureau”? ”Omerta”? ”Oaths of silence”? ”Compartmentalization and need to know”?

#35 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
It was a very small number of individuals who knew the whole picture. At the very top of the conspiracy. They knew how to keep their mouths shut.

#36 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
That said, a lot of people have talked over the years.

#37 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
Lots of people have died suspicious deaths.

#38 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
The cover up is still in operation and have unlimited resources at its disposal. Unlimited.

#39 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4272
The JFK assassination is at the very heart of the US National Security State. Its defining event.

#40 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4310
So, where is your evidence of these punch holes being sufficient instead of the three banks endorsing the order with stamps? Regulations?

#41 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4315
Was the yellow patches on the south curbstones still there? The newly painted patches visible at the time of the assassination nobody knew the reason for being there?

#42 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4315
Exactly where the shooting took place?

#43 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4315
How many witnesses reported seeing this guy?

#44 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4339
So, what is it that pops up behind the fence?

#45 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
LBJ was instrumental in the cover up of the assassination and that in a way that lead to the inescapable conclusion that he was in on it from the get go.

#46 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
A plot of this magnitude can’t possibly succeede with an outsider in the White house.

#47 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
That said, there is also more concrete evidence in the form of micro managing the investigations and witnesses coming forward implicating him in the conspiracy.

#48 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Be specific and while you are at it, provide the regulations from the 1963 time period that says that money orders did not have to be endorsed by the banks it went through.

#49 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Your decades long association with McAdams shines through in every sentence, Hank. Are you aware of this?

#50 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Agree. This was the most common response on the ground among the DPD officers and the deputy sheriffs.

#51 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Almost sleepwalking with their collective wetted index finger in the air waiting for wind direction.

#52 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
All this changed when a ”fellow cop” got killed and they transformed to a hornets nest very easy to persuade/manipulate in pointing out and catch/kill the guilty villain.

#53 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
It is paramount for every law enforcement to quickly as hell arrest a ”cop killer” in order to restore the ”respect” and thereby security for its officers.

#54 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Guilty or not guilty is secondary to that.

#55 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
That certainly was the case in Dallas.

#56 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
1. Oswald/Hidell did not order the alleged murder weapon and did not own it.

#57 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
2. The FBI/Holmes fabricated the PMO after the fact in order to frame Oswald for the assassination of JFK.

#58 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
And, do not forget, this is just ONE little detail in the whole chain of documents and alleged actions that is wrong. All of it. Every single piece. Wrong.

#59 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Don’t change the subject. Reporting a big gaping wound is not reporting an exit wound.

#60 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Forgeries.

#61 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
The very few photos from the back of the head could have been taken after the reconstruction of JFK’s head and body, making him presentable for the funeral.

#62 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Too low resolution.

#63 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell since the back of the head is in shadow through the whole event. As I’ve said earlier, there are suspicions that the back of the head could be paint put there in order to hide the big gaping wound. Maybe. It looks suspect, like a black patch.

#64 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Just picked it apart.

#65 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
So, almost all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and agents observing JFK’s headwounds close up had a psychosis? An unknown virus?

#66 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
I have provided linked citation of a regulatory document showing that bank endorsement stamps had to be present on 1963 PMO’s in order for a mailorder purchase to go through.

#67 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
No such bank endorsement stamps are present on the alleged Oswald/Hidell PMO = evidence of fabrication by FBI.

#68 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
I’ll continue with Hank’s little list one issue at a time. No worries, that is the soul reason for me being here.

#69 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
To tell you the truth.

#70 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
There is also the issue of the freshness of the soot. Smell, color and dryness. It’s easy to see the difference between old and fresh soot if you are somewhat used to it.

#71 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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You kind of disappeard from the thread in the Ed.Forum, Hank? Larsen was refuting yours, DVP’s & co’s efforts to disprove his documents, point by point by point, and after that, silence. Why is that? Modesty?

#72 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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But not found by the FBI HQ crime lab the night of the shooting?

#73 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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That Oswald had carried the bag in a way that excluded it from having contained a broken down Carcano rifle?

#74 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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According to Lt. Day yes. Who taped it before photographing it and forgot that he had done so a whole week before remembering it and refusing to sign the affidavit telling the tale.

#75 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Name them. Not a single witness could identify Oswald as the man in the window.

#76 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Lol. Brennan was taken under treatment by the DPD/FBI and soon understood what was expected of him.

#77 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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People who met him after this treatment said he looked like an old and frightened man.

#78 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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So, why are there TWO chains of custody and no tags on the shells from any of those in possession of the shells, Lt. Day included (DAY)?

#79- Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Chain of custody?

#80 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Chain of custody?

#81 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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What you call ”quibble”, the rest of western civilisation calls evidence with secured chain of custody and provenance. Without that, its pretty much worthless.

#82 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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These concepts was well established in the USA 1963 going decades back from that point in time.

#83 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Quibble, the new null?

#84 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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There is at least between seven and ten different stories of these murder attempts of Oswald

#85 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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trying to kill severeal of the officers

#86 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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belonging to one of the most corrupt police forces in the history of the world?

#87 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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He said it with a frustrated sigh

#88 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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not as you are trying to imply, triumphantly.

#89 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Oswald was an undercover agent

#90 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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probably working for the CIA.

#91 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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After leaving TSBD he went to the Texas Theater to a rendezvous with a cut out for his handler

#92 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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After leaving TSBD he went to the Texas Theaterfor information/instructions on how to act following the assassination of JFK.

#93 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Movie theathers was/is classic anonymous meetingplaces for spooks

#94 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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and Oswald was seen sitting down next to multiple single patrons, rise and sit down next to another one, and so on, as if looking for someone he did not know or recognized = cut out.

#95 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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He also had a couple of very odd items on him (do not remember exactly what at the moment), also a classic way to identify one another.

#96 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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The list of the ca 20 patrons/witnesses present at the theather was conveniently ”lost” by the DPD shortly after the arrest, never to be seen again. The few testimonies on record slipped through in spite of this.

#97 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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That is circular reasoning, Hank.
#98 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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Luckily we have the FEDERAL REGULATIONS stating that bank endorsment stamps had to be present on both sides, without exception.

#99 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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The ”ballistic items”? Without a chain of custody or with clearly fabricated chains of custody?

#100 - Cite the evidence. Explain it. Argue for its veracity.
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I have answered a lot of questions.
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Old 10th June 2018, 09:44 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner.

Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so.
So you aren't providing the evidence I request because my requests for evidence create the illusion of you not providing evidence?

Do I have that right?

Gotta love the logic there.

Especially since you originally had no problem with it and thanked me for providing you a list: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...7#post12315037

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"Well, thank you, Hank, for listing it so neatly and orderly. I’ll answer your points one at a time as time permits. No worries.

Thats the reason for me being here, Hank. Providing the evidence that points to the Truth."
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PS: Your statement is my new signature.
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Hanks ”method” [of requesting evidence] is not going to [get me to] provide any evidence since it has a completely different purpose. To create the the illusion of me not providing evidence when requested to do so.
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Old 10th June 2018, 09:57 PM   #170
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No need to pay Kleins
So William Waldman's testimony as posted here is completely accurate?

A rifle bearing the serial number C2766 was shipped to PO Box 2915 in Dallas Texas? And was paid for via a money order bearing the name Hidell?

== QUOTE ==
Mr. BELIN. I'm handing you what has been marked as an FBI Exhibit D-77 and ask you if you know what this is.
Mr. WALDMAN. This is a microfilm record that---of mail order transactions for a given period of time. It was turned over by us to the FBI.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know when it was turned over to the FBI?
Mr. WALDMAN. It was turned over to them on November 23, 1963.
Mr. BELIN. Now, you are reading from the carton containing that microfilm. Do you know whose initials are on there?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; the initials on here are mine and they were put on the date on which this was turned over to the FBI concerned with the investigation.
Mr. BELIN. You have on your premises a machine for looking at the microfilm prints?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. And you can make copies of the microfilm prints?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. I wonder if we can adjourn the deposition upstairs to take a look at these records in the microfilm and get copies of the appropriate records that you found on the evening of November 22.
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
(Whereupon, the following proceedings were had at the microfilm machine.)
Mr. BELIN. Mr. Waldman, you have just put the microfilm which we call D-77 into your viewer which is marked a Microfilm Reader-Printer, and you have identified this as No. 270502, according to your records. Is this just a record number of yours on this particular shipment?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's a number which we assign for identification purposes.
Mr. BELIN. And on the microfilm record, would you please state who it shows this particular rifle was shipped
Mr. WALDMAN. Shipped to a Mr. A.--last name H-i-d-e-l-l, Post Office Box 2915, Dallas, Tex.
Mr. BELIN. And does it show any serial number or control number?
Mr. WALDMAN. It shows shipment of a rifle bearing our control number VC-836 and serial number C-2766.

Mr. BELIN. Is there a price shown for that?
Mr. WALDMAN. Price is $19.95, plus $1.50 postage and handling, or a total of $21.45.
Mr. BELIN. Now, I see another number off to the left. What is this number?
Mr. WALDMAN. The number that you referred to, C20-T750 is a catalog number.
Mr. BELIN. And after that, there appears some words of identification or description. Can you state what that is?
Mr. WALDMAN. The number designates an item which we sell, namely, an Italian carbine, 6.5 caliber rifle with the 4X scope.
Mr. BELIN. Is there a date of shipment which appears on this microfilm record?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; the date of shipment was March 20, 1963.
Mr. BELIN. Does it show by what means it was shipped?
Mr. WALDMAN. It was shipped by parcel post as indicated by this circle around the letters "PP."
Mr. BELIN. Does it show if any amount was enclosed with the order itself?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; the amount that was enclosed with the order was $21.45, as designated on the right-hand side of this order blank here.
Mr. BELIN. Opposite the words "total amount enclosed"?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Is there anything which indicates in what form you received the money?
Mr. WALDMAN. Yes; below the amount is shown the letters "MO" designating money order.

Mr. BELIN. Now, I see the extreme top of this microfilm, the date, March 13, 1963; to what does that refer?
Mr. WALDMAN. This is an imprint made by our cash register indicating that the remittance received from the customer was passed through our register on that date.
Mr. BELIN. And to the right of that, I see $21.45. Is that correct?
Mr. WALDMAN. That's correct.

== UNQUOTE ==

You affirm Waldman wasn't paid off for that testimony? Is that right?

Hank
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Old 10th June 2018, 11:35 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Well, that sounds scary. Too bad it's not true.
I’m afraid it is.

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The new documents and the old documents prove otherwise, but why let facts get in the way of a good ghost story?
What documents.?

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Harry Holmes was a Postal Inspector, did you know the US Postal Inspection Service is a powerful investigative branch of the government? They don't orders from the FBI or the CIA. In fact, as an American, I'd take on the FBI or the CIA before I decided to mess with the Post Office. They have a conviction rate most law enforcement agencies can only dream about.

In fact, nobody makes fun of their acronym: USPIS. That says something.

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

Grownups can read about them here:

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/
Well, he was also an FBI informant. ”Dallas T-2”:

https://i0.wp.com/www.prayer-man.com...55-3.png?w=765

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That would be rude, and it would be mail fraud.
As I said, not needed.

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How? We need details, names, locations, etc
https://www.fbi.gov/

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Neverhappened
Well, either that happened or all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and agents that observed and handled JFK’s headwounds close up either lied or had some form collective psychosis.

Take your pick.

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I posted those DPD documents already so you're on your own.
They do not explain why Lt. Days tags (DAY) are not on the shells. Tags that are on them according to Lt. Days testimony to the WC.

NARA couldn’t find them. Maybe you can?

http://www.krusch.com/jfk/Shells_National_Archives.zip

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Considering Oswald didn't trust anyone this is unlikely.
Not anyone? How do you know?

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RFK was in on it?
I believe this is the tenth time your are claiming that RFK was involved in assassisantions attempt on Castro, bit still not any evidence for this claim.

Do you have any?

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What about Tiny Tim? There is no evidence he was anywhere near Dallas so obviously he was in on it too.
Tim who?

Bill Harvey was assigned ZRIFLE which was CIA’s assassinations program. He was very close to Rosselli and Morales and was according to his assistant station chief in Rome, involved in the assassination. He hated both JFK and RFK when removed from the Cuba-Project after attacking Soviet ships in the middle of the missile crisis almost causing world war three and nuclear armageddon.

David Morales confessed to his best childhood friend and another friend that ”we took care of JFK and the little Kennedy bastard, RFK too.

Hunt had no alibi for the assassination decided in court and made a deathbed confession to his son available on the web.

Philips was seen talking with Oswald in Dallas by his long time contractor, Antonio Veciana and asked Veciana if he could bribe a relative in the Mexico City Cuban consulate to say that Oswald was there to pick up orders and money for the assassination of JFK. Philips was behind all of the ”leaks” to the US press that Oswald acted on orders from Castro. Also Philips made a deathbed confession that he was in Dallas the day of the assassination.

There is much more on all of them.

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But not Castro.
No, he was no exile.

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And yet, even though Oswald WAS a communist,
Ridiculous. He was a low level agent for the CIA.

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and may have had contacts with Cuban operatives, they somehow failed to link him to Castro...
There are very credible evidence of Oswald believing he had infiltrated a Cuban exile/right wing plot to assassinate JFK, not knowing he was set up to be a patsy by his own handler in the CIA.

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or was the plan to invade Cuba by sneaking in through Da Nang?
No, that was another crime against humanity.

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Why would he die at all?
Shot when ’trying to escape’ from the police.

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That makes no sense
There were different levels of the plot, with different motives.

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Dulles was out of government.
He was very much still the real boss with his unique network intact. During the weekend of the assassination he was stationed at ”the farm”, CIA’s training facilities in Virginia where he still had his own office and living facilities.

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Johnson would be President, but under the Constitution the President does not have total control of anything, Congress does. Hoover didn't have any more power on 11/23/63 than he did on 11/21/63.
He was the most powerful man in the world the second JFK died. When Congress wanted to create a Congressional investigation of the assassination the week after the Big event, he created his own presidential Commission instead. He picked the members and gave them their marching orders.

That is P o w e r.

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Your grasp of US history is creative to say the least
No, it is looking behind the propaganda veil of US history.

Yes I know, it’s ugly.

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Old 11th June 2018, 01:25 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Well, he was also an FBI informant. ”Dallas T-2”:

https://i0.wp.com/www.prayer-man.com...55-3.png?w=765
I read it. Its evidence he was an FBI informant. Anyone who is well read on JFK already knows this (nothing new here).

But you claim he was in on the alleged conspiracy... where is the evidence of this?

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Linking a website when you are asked for evidence of the names of alleged conspirators is not evidence.

Give us their actual names... tell us who they are, and cite your evidence that they are conspirators.

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Well, either that happened or all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and agents that observed and handled JFK’s headwounds close up either lied or had some form collective psychosis.
Show us the evidence of this.

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They do not explain why Lt. Days tags (DAY) are not on the shells. Tags that are on them according to Lt. Days testimony to the WC.
Show us evidence that the tags have to be on the shells

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I believe this is the tenth time your are claiming that RFK was involved in assassination attempt on Castro, bit still not any evidence for this claim.
No, he didn't claim that. There was a question mark at the end of what he said. You do know what that means don't you? It means he was asking YOU if you were claiming RFK was involved in your alleged conspiracy to kill JFK
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Tim who?
Bwhahahaha! Thats funny

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Bill Harvey was assigned ZRIFLE1 which was CIA’s assassinations program. He was very close to Rosselli and Morales2 and was according to his assistant station chief in Rome, involved in the assassination3. He hated both JFK and RFK4 when removed from the Cuba-Project after attacking Soviet ships in the middle of the missile crisis almost causing world war three and nuclear armageddon.
1. Evidence?
2. Evidence?
3. Evidence?
4. Evidence?

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David Morales confessed to his best childhood friend and another friend that ”we took care of JFK and the little Kennedy bastard, RFK too.
Evidence?

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Hunt had no alibi for the assassination decided in court and made a deathbed confession to his son available on the web.
Evidence?

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Philips was seen talking with Oswald in Dallas by his long time contractor, Antonio Veciana and asked Veciana if he could bribe a relative in the Mexico City Cuban consulate to say that Oswald was there to pick up orders and money for the assassination of JFK. Philips was behind all of the ”leaks” to the US press that Oswald acted on orders from Castro. Also Philips made a deathbed confession that he was in Dallas the day of the assassination.
Evidence?
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There is much more on all of them.
Evidence?


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Ridiculous. He was a low level agent for the CIA.
Evidence?

Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
There are very credible evidence of Oswald believing he had infiltrated a Cuban exile/right wing plot to assassinate JFK, not knowing he was set up to be a patsy by his own handler in the CIA.
Evidence?

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No, that was another crime against humanity.
Bwhahahaha.. oh, just priceless. Looks like English language is not the only thing you're crap at. Your Geography skills are somewhat lacking as well.

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There were different levels of the plot, with different motives.
Evidence?

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He was very much still the real boss with his unique network intact. During the weekend of the assassination he was stationed at ”the farm”, CIA’s training facilities in Virginia where he still had his own office and living facilities.
Evidence?

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He was the most powerful man in the world the second JFK died. When Congress wanted to create a Congressional investigation of the assassination the week after the Big event, he created his own presidential Commission instead. He picked the members and gave them their marching orders.
Evidence?
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Old 11th June 2018, 05:31 AM   #173
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As expected of a typical CT , this was a lie.
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1. Name one claim where I have not provided evidence and I provide it emeditaly.
CTs never change.

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Old 11th June 2018, 06:38 AM   #174
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence. I provide evidence if requested to do so in a specific and relevant manner.
Like when I asked you exactly what sources you used and you refused to list any?
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Old 11th June 2018, 06:43 AM   #175
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Well, either that happened or all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and agents that observed and handled JFK’s headwounds close up either lied or had some form collective psychosis.
<snip>
Well, Between Robert Prey and manifesto, we are starting to converge on how many witnesses supposedly saw the headwounds that prove JFK was shot from the front (which somehow weren't there when the autopsy was performed) Robert Prey cited "40 plus". manifesto says "almost 50".


For some reason though, neither of them seems to be able to pin down an exact number. Apparently it's somewhere between 41 and 49. Of course, I strongly suspect that most conspiracy theorists have difficulty counting past 20, or 10 if they're wearing shoes.
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Old 11th June 2018, 07:41 AM   #176
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I have never ”refused” to provide evidence.
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Oh, I see. You're so clever. You have promised, that if we ask you very nicely, in just the right way, and say "Pretty please with sugar on it", that you will eventually get around to providing evidence. Someday. Maybe even sometime this decade, if not this year. Really. So, in your mind, we can't really say you've refused.

I'm okay with that. You haven't technically refused. However, what you have done is fail to provide that evidence. You have failed to provide it utterly, completely and miserably.

In fact fail pretty well describes everything you have done in this thread. You demand that everyone else support any claim with evidence, and not just, we've covered that ground already six times, or it's on page whatever of the Warren Commission report, or a link to it. We need to quote passages and offer an essay on why we think it supports our position. Even when we do that, you fail to acknowledge it, and respond with another page full of bare assertions about LBJ, the CIA, the FBI, etc. for which you fail to provide even the tiniest bit of evidence.

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Old 11th June 2018, 10:38 AM   #177
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
forging the money order
forging the order form
forging the envelope
paying off Kleins
multiple shooters
disappearing the bullets they fired
faking and forged autopsies
faking photographs
planting the gun
faking the ballistics
faking fingerprints and palm prints
paying off witnesses

etc etc
Fireworks. Don't forget about the fireworks.

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Old 11th June 2018, 10:41 AM   #178
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Oh, I see. You're so clever. You have promised, that if we ask you very nicely, in just the right way, and say "Pretty please with sugar on it", that you will eventually get around to providing evidence. Someday. Maybe even sometime this decade, if not this year. Really. So, in your mind, we can't really say you've refused.

I'm okay with that. You haven't technically refused. However, what you have done is fail to provide that evidence. You have failed to provide it utterly, completely and miserably.

In fact fail pretty well describes everything you have done in this thread. You demand that everyone else support any claim with evidence, and not just, we've covered that ground already six times, or it's on page whatever of the Warren Commission report, or a link to it. We need to quote passages and offer an essay on why we think it supports our position. Even when we do that, you fail to acknowledge it, and respond with another page full of bare assertions about LBJ, the CIA, the FBI, etc. for which you fail to provide even the tiniest bit of evidence.
He actually has refused. Since he stated earlier that he had read through the controversy, I politely asked to tell us what he had read. He wouldn't post it.
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Well, he was also an FBI informant. ”Dallas T-2”:
OMG! The USPIS shared intelligence with the FBI? Now if we could get the FBI and CIA to talk we'd be going places.


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Well, either that happened or all of the almost 50 doctors, nurses and agents that observed and handled JFK’s headwounds close up either lied or had some form collective psychosis.

Take your pick.
None of the doctors or nurses at Parkland saw the back of the head. This eliminates them. Secret Service and FBI Agents are not medical professionals, and Kennedy's head was a gory mess.

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They do not explain why Lt. Days tags (DAY) are not on the shells. Tags that are on them according to Lt. Days testimony to the WC.
I posted that picture with his name etched. You said it wasn't his name.

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I believe this is the tenth time your are claiming that RFK was involved in assassisantions attempt on Castro, bit still not any evidence for this claim.

Do you have any?
I don't but Mary Farrell does:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc....Id=21&tab=page

The memo records a meeting of senior national security officials in the Oval Office on March 16, 1962.

Since you're obtuse and refuse to click links here's the juice:

The Attorney General then mentioned Mary Hemingway [Ernest Hemingway’s widow], commenting on reports that Castro was drinking heavily in disgruntlement over the way things were going, and the opportunities offered by the “shrine” to Hemingway. I commented that this was a conversation that Ed Murrow [the former news broadcaster then heading the US Information Agency] had had with Mary Hemingway, that we had similar reports from other sources, and that this was worth assessing firmly and pursuing vigorously. If there are grounds for action, CIA had some invaluable assets which might well be committed for such an effort. McCone asked if his operational people were aware of this; I told him that we had discussed this, that they agreed the subject was worth vigorous development, and that we were in agreement that the matter was so delicate and sensitive that it shouldn’t be surfaced to the Special Group [an elite interagency group that reviewed covert actions] until we were ready to go, and then not in detail. I pointed out that this all pertained to fractioning the regime. If it happened, it could develop like a brush-fire, much as in Hungary, and we must be prepared to help it win our goal of Cuba freed of a Communist government. [Emphasis added.]


"Fractioning the Regime" was CIA-speak for assassination.

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Bill Harvey was assigned ZRIFLE which was CIA’s assassinations program. He was very close to Rosselli and Morales and was according to his assistant station chief in Rome, involved in the assassination. He hated both JFK and RFK when removed from the Cuba-Project after attacking Soviet ships in the middle of the missile crisis almost causing world war three and nuclear armageddon.
He hated RFK because all things Cuba went through him first after the Bay of Pigs.

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David Morales confessed to his best childhood friend and another friend that ”we took care of JFK and the little Kennedy bastard, RFK too.
Neat. Bragging about something you didn't do is not proof.

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Hunt had no alibi for the assassination decided in court and made a deathbed confession to his son available on the web.
The ones his sons coerced out of him while he was dying, and under heavy medication so they could sell it to the tabloids? That confession? Okay.

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Philips was seen talking with Oswald in Dallas by his long time contractor, Antonio Veciana and asked Veciana if he could bribe a relative in the Mexico City Cuban consulate to say that Oswald was there to pick up orders and money for the assassination of JFK.
No. Veciana is just parroting the incoming gossip intel that was swirling around the Mexica City Station in the days after the assassination. It was in that document I posted that you failed to read.

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Philips was behind all of the ”leaks” to the US press that Oswald acted on orders from Castro. Also Philips made a deathbed confession that he was in Dallas the day of the assassination.
Phillips has confessed to just about everything except being in the gorilla suit on the Patterson Film.

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Ridiculous. He was a low level agent for the CIA.
In your fantasy world.

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There are very credible evidence of Oswald believing he had infiltrated a Cuban exile/right wing plot to assassinate JFK, not knowing he was set up to be a patsy by his own handler in the CIA.
It's only credible to people whose only knowledge of the CIA comes from movies, and CT sites.

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He was very much still the real boss with his unique network intact. During the weekend of the assassination he was stationed at ”the farm”, CIA’s training facilities in Virginia where he still had his own office and living facilities.
Doesn't mean he had power or influence.

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He was the most powerful man in the world the second JFK died. When Congress wanted to create a Congressional investigation of the assassination the week after the Big event, he created his own presidential Commission instead. He picked the members and gave them their marching orders.

That is P o w e r.
And yet the FBI and Secret Service and DPD all continued with their own investigations. That's not power.
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The most disappointing thing about Manifesto is that his claims lack originality. They're either ancient Mark Lane-era obfuscations, Lifton lunacy, or the latest takes on the old allegations some loser on the Education Forums has dreamed up.

It's all on par with Flat Earth and Apollo Hoaxer stuff.

I just want to see a plausible JFK conspiracy just once.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The most disappointing thing about Manifesto is that his claims lack originality. They're either ancient Mark Lane-era obfuscations, Lifton lunacy, or the latest takes on the old allegations some loser on the Education Forums has dreamed up.

It's all on par with Flat Earth and Apollo Hoaxer stuff.

I just want to see a plausible JFK conspiracy just once.
I'm patiently waiting for him to go full body-swapping on us.

You know it's coming.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The most disappointing thing about Manifesto is that his claims lack originality. They're either ancient Mark Lane-era obfuscations, Lifton lunacy, or the latest takes on the old allegations some loser on the Education Forums has dreamed up.

It's all on par with Flat Earth and Apollo Hoaxer stuff.

I just want to see a plausible JFK conspiracy just once.
I think there could be a great discussion about an intelligently thought out alternative hypothesis with intelligent arguments behind it, with consideration for actual evidence.

I wonder if there will ever be an intelligent CT who could participate in that.
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
I think there could be a great discussion about an intelligently thought out alternative hypothesis with intelligent arguments behind it, with consideration for actual evidence.

I wonder if there will ever be an intelligent CT who could participate in that.
I have no doubt that one could be put together, but if you are looking for an *intelligent* hypothesis it will likely have to come from a non-CT who would do it for the intellectual exercise.
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the Education Forums .
I actually googled this after someone posted the "ed.forums" on this thread a couple of times, and all I found was discussion of erectile dysfunction.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
OMG! The USPIS shared intelligence with the FBI?
And poor old manifesto really doesn't understand this. He clearly thinks all informants are the same... Well, they are not.

https://www.koffellaw.com/columbus-c...of-informants/

Where manifesto is getting confused is between an "informant", a.k.a. an "identified citizen informant" (ICI) and a "confidential criminal formant" (CI).

An ICI is anyone who reports crime to law enforcement. If I tell the local cops that someone is selling drugs from his key cutting kiosk in a shopping mall (and I actually did that once) that makes me an ICI and when I go to court to testify to it, that makes me a "witness". In the case of the USPO, informants are those members staff who spot possible contraband in the package stream, and lets the cops know. They are ICIs who work for the USPS. There was a whole list of ICIs in the page manifesto posted, not just Harry Holmes.

However, a CI is different. They are usually (but not always) a petty criminal whose minor activities are overlooked because they take a considerable personal risk to give the police valuable information. A CI's job is to point the police in the right direction, and for this reason, they are rarely used as witnesses as this would expose them to the rest of the criminal fraternity, rendering them useless to law enforcement.

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Now if we could get the FBI and CIA to talk we'd be going places.
Absolutely. The JFK assassination could have been avoided, as could have 9/11.
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I actually googled this after someone posted the "ed.forums" on this thread a couple of times, and all I found was discussion of erectile dysfunction.
Try this, although I don't remember if you can get in without signing up:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/fo...es-in-history/
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Originally Posted by RoboTimbo View Post
I think there could be a great discussion about an intelligently thought out alternative hypothesis with intelligent arguments behind it, with consideration for actual evidence.

I wonder if there will ever be an intelligent CT who could participate in that.
If it will happen, it will come from a couple of lone nutters getting drunk and saying "Let's see if we can come up with a conspiracy theory that actually makes sense."

I haven't been drunk enough.

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Originally Posted by HSienzant View Post
Actually, you started it with a list of nine of Manifesto's claims where you asked simply for 'Evidence?'.

I kept your nine and started adding to it.

Here's the full list of one hundred. I stopped at that point:

Here's the 100 claims by Manifesto that he was asked to provide evidence for. He has yet to support any of them with legitimate evidence.
”Legitimate”? Who’s the chief arbiter, here?

Your mentor Mr. McA ... ?

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1 - Evidence?
Originally Posted by manifesto http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- I know that at least two shooters fired at least 5 rifle shots, four from behind the limo and one, the fatal headshot, from in front behind the picket fence on the knoll.
The HSCA acoustical evidence: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=961

The actual in investigation, not the politically contrived conclusions made by Robert Blakey.

1. The investigation shows that it was five, not four, impulse patterns that had a significant match with 0.6 or more binary correlation.

2. That the shot from the knoll was the fatal head shot and did not miss.

3. That the probability for the knoll-shot being random noise or static was 1/100 000, not ca 1/20.

I have argued for this in the following posts (among others):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1338

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1367

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1412

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1482

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1536

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1541

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1587

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1594

Let me know if this is not enough and tell me what additional information you need to see, if any.

But, be specific. Cite. Explain.


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2 - Evidence?
Originally Posted by manifesto
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=4152
- That the cover up kicked in as soon the last shot was fired.
Testimony from Dallas Police officer, Joe Marshall Smith:
Mr. Smith.
I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.

Mr. Liebeler.
An echo effect?

Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.

Mr. Liebeler.
You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right?

Mr. Smith.
I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.

Mr. Liebeler.
There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and looked around?

Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there. I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.

Mr. Liebeler.
Did you accost this man?

Mr. Smith.
Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was.

Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember who it was?

Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over here in this particular section.

The testimony of deputy Sheriff to Seymour Weitzman:
[i]Mr. Ball.
What did you notice in the railroad yards?

Mr. Weitzman.
We noticed numerous kinds of footprints that did not make sense because they were going different directions.

Mr. Ball.
Were there other people there besides you?

Mr. Weitzman.
Yes, sir; other officers, Secret Service as well, and somebody started, there was something red in the street and I went back over the wall and somebody brought me a piece of what he thought to be a firecracker and it turned out to be, I believe, I wouldn't quote this, but I turned it over to one of the Secret Service men and I told them it should go to the lab because it looked to me like human bone. I later found out it was supposedly a portion of the President's skull.

DPD’s officer Smith again, interviewed by author, Anthony Summers:
“He [the Secret Service agent]looked like an auto mechanic. He had on a sports shirt and sports pants. But he had dirty fingernails, it looked like, and hands that looked like an auto mechanic's hands. And afterwards it didn't ring true for the Secret Service. At the time we were so pressed for time, and we were searching. And he had produced correct identification, and we just overlooked the thing. I should have checked that man closer, but at the time I didn't snap on it.”

Testimony from DPD Sergeant, David V. Harkness:
Mr. Belin
Then you went around to the back of the building?

Mr. Harkness
Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin
Was anyone around in the back when you got there?

Mr. Harkness
There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.

Testimony from Dallas deputy Sheriff, Roger Craig:
”I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas, Texas, watching President Kennedy pass in the motorcade. I was watching the rest of the motorcade a few seconds after President Kennedy passed where I was standing when I heard a rifle shot and a few seconds later a second and then a third shot. At the retort [sic] of the first shot, I started running around the corner and Officer Buddy Walthers and I ran across Houston Street and on up the terrace on Elm Street and into the railroad yards. We made a [unintelligible -- search?] through the railroad yards and I returned to Elm Street by the Turnpike sign at which time Officer Walthers told me that a bullet had struck the curb on the south side of Elm Street. I crossed to Elm with Deputy C. L. Lummie Lewis [sic] to search for a spot where a shell might have hit. About this time I heard a shrill whistle and I turned around and saw a white male running down the hill from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository building and I saw what I think was a light colored Rambler Station [sic] wagon with [a] luggage rack on top pull over to the curb and the subject who had come running down the hill got into the car. The man driving this station wagon was a dark complected white male. I tried to get across the street to stop the car and talk with subjects, but the traffic was so heavy, I could not make it. I reported this incident at once to a secret service [sic] officer whose name I do not know, then I left this area and went at once to the building and assisted in the search of the building.”
Four Dallas police officers independently reporting Secret Service men seconds or minutes after the shooting, at critical positions in connection to where most of the witnesses heard shots fired from. Behind the picket fence and behind the TSBD.

The first real Secret Service agent arriving at Dealey Plaza after the shooting was Dallas SAIC Forrest Sorrels, who was on scene earliest at 20-25 minutes after the event.


Testimony from DPD detective, Marwin A Buhk:
“We next heard the call regarding the suspect being in the branch Library on Jefferson. We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”
This was in connection to the Tippit Shooting but here too are false Secret Service agents on scene minutes after the shooting. There were no real Secret Service agents present on and around the Tippit shooting, ever.


Testimony from Dallas deputy, Sheriff W.W Mabra (report to Sheriff Decker):
(Who encontered what he thought was a ”City Officer” who had told him)

“I was stationed in rail yards and had this entire area in view. Nobody came this way."
No DPD officer was stationed in the yards.


Conclusion. 6 Dallas police officers independently report encounters with false Secret Service men and unknown officers in civilian clothes in emediate proximity to the shootings that day. To this day, no one has stepped forward and identified himself as being one of the ’agents’. To this day no one knows who these men were.

This is clear evidence of the cover-up being in full swing the seconds/minutes after the last shot was fired at Dealey Plaza.

There is more, but I stop here for now.
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Like when I asked you exactly what sources you used and you refused to list any?
Where did you ask this and where did I ”refuse to list any”?

Show me.
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I posted the file on Lopez, a FPCC member, Cuban immigrant, who left Tampa, FL, and was in Texas in the day of the assassination, and crossed into Mexico on 11/23/63 to later return to Cuba. He was the only guy on the plane.

Screams conspiracy to me.

What did he know? Why did the FBI confuse his picture as being Oswald? Who's car was he driving when he crossed the border?

Memo specifically states there in no clear link to Oswald, isn't that convenient?

Obviously I have revealed the truth, that a Cuban Oswald-lookalike killed JFK and flew first class back to Cuba. Forget the total lack of evidence that Mr. Lopez was even in Dallas, by CTist standards it is clear that Mr. Lopez posed as Oswald to gain entry to the TSBD where he shot JFK. Obviously Mr. Lopez is in the backyard photographs, and likely is J. Heidel.

Obviously Oswald, being the crack CIA agent he was, tailed Lopez from the TSBD to the bus, and then the taxi ("Follow that car!"). It is Lopez who shoots Tippit, and drops the gun at the scene of the crime only to have crack CIA agent Oswald retrieve, and reload the gun, and then took off on a foot-chase across town. That's why Oswald didn't buy a ticket, Lopez had entered unseen, and Oswald followed him inside the theater.

Oswald was just about to shoot Lopez when the DPD barged in and arrested the wrong guy.

Where's my Pulitzer?
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Fringe reset! The HSCA acoustic evidence has been thoroughly and completely debunked. Multiple times. That you don't accept it is your problem.
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Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
”Legitimate”? Who’s the chief arbiter, here?

#1. "Legitimate" as in not copied from a CT Looney source
#2. "Legitimate" as in not just a link to a website
#3. "Legitimate" as in not ages old CT fantasy crap that he been repeatedly debunked
#4. "Legitimate" as in relevant to the claim it supports
#5. "Legitimate" as in actually supporting the claim, not refuting it

Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
The HSCA acoustical evidence: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=961

The actual in investigation, not the politically contrived conclusions made by Robert Blakey.

1. The investigation shows that it was five, not four, impulse patterns that had a significant match with 0.6 or more binary correlation.

2. That the shot from the knoll was the fatal head shot and did not miss.

3. That the probability for the knoll-shot being random noise or static was 1/100 000, not ca 1/20.

I have argued for this in the following posts (among others):

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1338

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1367

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1412

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1482

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1536

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1541

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1587

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=1594

See item #3. above

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Let me know if this is not enough and tell me what additional information you need to see, if any.

But, be specific. Cite. Explain.

It will never be enough, because it (the HSCA Acoustic eviddence) has already been thoroughly and utterly debunked (especially by the CBA) to the point that even those who came to the original conclusions and presented them to the HSCA, now agree with the CBA that their own original conclusions were all wrong.

Originally Posted by manifesto View Post
Testimony from Dallas Police officer, Joe Marshall Smith:
Mr. Smith.
I started up toward this Book Depository after I heard the shots, and I didn't know where the shots came from. I had no idea, because it was such a ricochet.

Mr. Liebeler.
An echo effect?

Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir.; and this woman came up to me and she was just in hysterics. She told me, "They are shooting the President from the bushes." So I immediately proceeded up here.

Mr. Liebeler.
You proceeded up to an area immediately behind the concrete structure here that is described by Elm Street and the street that runs immediately in front of the Texas School Book Depository, is that right?

Mr. Smith.
I was checking all the bushes and I checked all the cars in the parking lot.

Mr. Liebeler.
There is a parking lot in behind this grassy area back from Elm Street toward the railroad tracks, and you went down to the parking lot and looked around?

Mr. Smith.
Yes, sir; I checked all the cars. I looked into all the cars and checked around the bushes. Of course, I wasn't alone. There was some deputy sheriff with me, and I believe one Secret Service man when I got there. I got to make this statement, too. I felt awfully silly, but after the shot and this woman, I pulled my pistol from my holster, and I thought, this is silly, I don't know who I am looking for, and I put it back. Just as I did, he showed me that he was a Secret Service agent.

Mr. Liebeler.
Did you accost this man?

Mr. Smith.
Well, he saw me coming with my pistol and right away he showed me who he was.

Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember who it was?

Mr. Smith.
No, sir; I don't--because then we started checking the cars. In fact, I was checking the bushes, and I went through the cars, and I started over here in this particular section.

The testimony of deputy Sheriff to Seymour Weitzman:
[i]Mr. Ball.
What did you notice in the railroad yards?

Mr. Weitzman.
We noticed numerous kinds of footprints that did not make sense because they were going different directions.

Mr. Ball.
Were there other people there besides you?

Mr. Weitzman.
Yes, sir; other officers, Secret Service as well, and somebody started, there was something red in the street and I went back over the wall and somebody brought me a piece of what he thought to be a firecracker and it turned out to be, I believe, I wouldn't quote this, but I turned it over to one of the Secret Service men and I told them it should go to the lab because it looked to me like human bone. I later found out it was supposedly a portion of the President's skull.

DPD’s officer Smith again, interviewed by author, Anthony Summers:
“He [the Secret Service agent]looked like an auto mechanic. He had on a sports shirt and sports pants. But he had dirty fingernails, it looked like, and hands that looked like an auto mechanic's hands. And afterwards it didn't ring true for the Secret Service. At the time we were so pressed for time, and we were searching. And he had produced correct identification, and we just overlooked the thing. I should have checked that man closer, but at the time I didn't snap on it.”
Testimony from DPD Sergeant, David V. Harkness:
Mr. Belin
Then you went around to the back of the building?

Mr. Harkness
Yes, sir.

Mr. Belin
Was anyone around in the back when you got there?

Mr. Harkness
There were some Secret Service agents there. I didn't get them identified. They told me they were Secret Service.

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Testimony from Dallas deputy Sheriff, Roger Craig:
”I was standing in front of the Sheriff's Office at 505 Main Street, Dallas, Texas, watching President Kennedy pass in the motorcade. I was watching the rest of the motorcade a few seconds after President Kennedy passed where I was standing when I heard a rifle shot and a few seconds later a second and then a third shot. At the retort [sic] of the first shot, I started running around the corner and Officer Buddy Walthers and I ran across Houston Street and on up the terrace on Elm Street and into the railroad yards. We made a [unintelligible -- search?] through the railroad yards and I returned to Elm Street by the Turnpike sign at which time Officer Walthers told me that a bullet had struck the curb on the south side of Elm Street. I crossed to Elm with Deputy C. L. Lummie Lewis [sic] to search for a spot where a shell might have hit. About this time I heard a shrill whistle and I turned around and saw a white male running down the hill from the direction of the Texas School Book Depository building and I saw what I think was a light colored Rambler Station [sic] wagon with [a] luggage rack on top pull over to the curb and the subject who had come running down the hill got into the car. The man driving this station wagon was a dark complected white male. I tried to get across the street to stop the car and talk with subjects, but the traffic was so heavy, I could not make it. I reported this incident at once to a secret service [sic] officer whose name I do not know, then I left this area and went at once to the building and assisted in the search of the building.”
Four Dallas police officers independently reporting Secret Service men seconds or minutes after the shooting, at critical positions in connection to where most of the witnesses heard shots fired from. Behind the picket fence and behind the TSBD.

The first real Secret Service agent arriving at Dealey Plaza after the shooting was Dallas SAIC Forrest Sorrels, who was on scene earliest at 20-25 minutes after the event.

Testimony from DPD detective, Marwin A Buhk:
“We next heard the call regarding the suspect being in the branch Library on Jefferson. We converged on that location and there were Secret Service men and other patrol and CID officers present when all the people were ordered out of the building. One of the Secret Service men stated the person who came out of the basement with the others was not the suspect and that he had already talked to him a few minutes previously.”
This was in connection to the Tippit Shooting but here too are false Secret Service agents on scene minutes after the shooting. There were no real Secret Service agents present on and around the Tippit shooting, ever.


Testimony from Dallas deputy, Sheriff W.W Mabra (report to Sheriff Decker):
(Who encontered what he thought was a ”City Officer” who had told him)

“I was stationed in rail yards and had this entire area in view. Nobody came this way."
No DPD officer was stationed in the yards.

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Conclusion. 6 Dallas police officers independently report encounters with false Secret Service men and unknown officers in civilian clothes in emediate proximity to the shootings that day. To this day, no one has stepped forward and identified himself as being one of the ’agents’. To this day no one knows who these men were.
Ask any LEO and they will tell you that if you have 10 people watching the same event, you could get ten different witness accounts, many of which will conflict with each other (he was wearing a blue jacket; a red jacket; a black jacket; a brown jacket).

If you want to really understand just how bad eye-witness testimony can be watch this. Of course, of you would prefer to remain ignorant, then don't watch it... I don't care

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWO2UQ4MW7U

Just because a witness says something happened doesn't necessarily make it so. When a minority of witnesses give evidence which is conflicting, and which conflicts with many other witness, then that conflicting evidence has to be placed in context and given less weight.

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This is clear evidence of the cover-up being in full swing the seconds/minutes after the last shot was fired at Dealey Plaza.
For mine, taken in context with the many other witnesses on or near the GK who pointed straight to the TSBD as the source of the shots, the only thing your witness testimony is evidence of is the unreliability of witnesses.
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The false Secret Service agent was a Treasury Department agent.
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Old 11th June 2018, 08:19 PM   #194
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Where did you ask this and where did I ”refuse to list any”?

Show me.
My question:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post12289141


Your response:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2896

All you had to do was say what books or anything you've read to show exactly where you get your information to show how you had read the controversy. You refused to do so.
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Old 11th June 2018, 09:20 PM   #195
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Originally Posted by heymatto70 View Post
My question:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post12289141


Your response:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2896

All you had to do was say what books or anything you've read to show exactly where you get your information to show how you had read the controversy. You refused to do so.
To be fair, he isn't going to be able to tell you the names or content of books he hasn't read!
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Old 11th June 2018, 09:55 PM   #196
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I read it. Its evidence he was an FBI informant. Anyone who is well read on JFK already knows this (nothing new here).
So, why dispute it?

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But you claim he was in on the alleged conspiracy... where is the evidence of this?
There is, but I rather settle the issue with the fake Hidell PMO before continuing with exactly how it was faked and by whom.

One step at a time.

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Linking a website when you are asked for evidence of the names of alleged conspirators is not evidence.

Give us their actual names... tell us who they are, and cite your evidence that they are conspirators.
He asked who was in charge of the murder investigation. I answered.

The FBI.

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Show us the evidence of this.
Here they are, summarized by Gary L. Aguilar, MD.

- The Parkland doctors and nurses

- The agents from FBI and Secret Service

- The medical personel at Bethesda

http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm

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Show us evidence that the tags have to be on the shells
WC testimony of Lt. Carl Day:
Mr. BELIN. Handing you what has been marked "Exhibit 545," I will ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. DAY. This is one of the hulls in the envelope which I opened at 10 o'clock. It has my name written on the end of it.
Mr. BELIN. When you say, on the end of it, where on the end of it?
Mr. DAY. On the small end where the slug would go.
Mr. BELIN. And it has "Day" on it?
Mr. DAY. Scratched on there; yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. With what instrument did you scratch it on?
Mr. DAY. A diamond point pencil.
(1 DAY)
Mr. BELIN. I believe you said that you examined the three shells today?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Now, I am going to ask you to state if you know what Commission Exhibit 543 is?
Mr. DAY. That is a hull that does not have my marking on it.
Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether or not this was one of the hulls that was found at the School Book Depository Building?
Mr. DAY. I think it is.
Mr. BELIN. What makes you think it is?
Mr. DAY. It has the initials "G. D." on it, which is George Doughty, the captain that I worked under.
(1 GD)
Mr. BELIN. Now, handing you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 544, I will ask you to state if you know what this is.
Mr. DAY. This is the second hull that was in the envelope when I marked the two hulls that night on November 22.
Mr. BELIN. I have now marked this envelope, which was formerly a part of Commission Exhibits 543 and 544 with a separate Commission Exhibit No. 717, and I believe you testify now that Commission Exhibit 544 was the other shell that was in the envelope which has now been marked as Commission Exhibit No. 717.
Mr. DAY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Does that cartridge case, Exhibit 544, have your name on it again?
Mr. DAY. It has my name on the small end where the slug would go into the shell.
(1 DAY)

That is: 2 shells with DAY engraved and 1 with, GD.

But, Lt. Day changes his mind again, in spite of having carefully studied the three shells in evidence.

In a correction to his testimony he writes this in a sworn affidavit to WC:
Close examination with a magnifying glass under a good light disclosed that my name "Day" was on all three hulls, at the small end. Also GD for Captain George Doughty was on two of them. Commission numbers 543 and 544 were the first two sent to Washington on November 22, 1963. They have Doughty's initials where he marked the hulls as they were released to Vince Drain at 11:45 P.M. on November 22, 1963 by Doughty and Day. The third hull, commission number 545, does not have Doughty's mark, but is plainly marked "Day". In Washington, I had numbers 543 and 545 switched because I didn't find my name on number 543.
That makes it: all 3 shells with DAY engraved and 2 shells also with GD on them.

So, where are these 3 + 2 = initials on the three shells in evidence? NARA couldn’t find them.

Can you? http://www.krusch.com/jfk/Shells_National_Archives.zip

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No, he didn't claim that. There was a question mark at the end of what he said. You do know what that means don't you? It means he was asking YOU if you were claiming RFK was involved in your alleged conspiracy to kill JFK
I wrote:
Well, they didn’t. They used the same people involved in the plans and efforts to assassinate Castro & co.
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RFK was in on it?
Axxman300 implies that RFK was involved in the efforts to assassinate Castro.

He has stated this multiple times before, but still not a shred of evidence. It’s kind of sad, isn’t it.

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Bwhahahaha! Thats funny
Another creepy laughter from another creepy member of the Mighty Church.

That’s how it goes, I guess. Sad.

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1. Evidence?
Program to recruit foreign criminal assets for various illegal activities including burglary, wire taps, strong arm work and thefts in support of ZR code breaking work. Later used by William Harvey as a cover for an Executive Action assassinations program.

https://www.maryferrell.org/php/cryptdb.php?id=ZRRIFLE
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2. Evidence?
In November 1961 William Harvey was ordered to activate an assassination plot against Fidel Castro. This became part of what became known as the ZR/RIFLE project. Harvey decided to transfer David Sanchez Morales from Mexico City to the JM WAVE station. Johnny Roselli was also recruited into the project.

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKzrrifle.htm

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3. Evidence?
Mark Wyatt worked for the CIA in Rome under William Harvey, who had been removed from the Cuba effort by JFK/RFK after sending speedboats with Cuban exiles in to Cuba in the middle of the Missile-crisis almost causing WWIII and nuclear armageddon.

According to Wyatts children he allways talked about Harvey in connection with the JFK assassination. Hours after the news of JFK’s death, Harvey had blurted out offensive remarks in front of Wyatt showing he had to have had foreknowledge of the assassination.

Wyatts fixation and anguish over what he knew of the Harvey connection prompted his children to try to persuade him to testify to the HSCA, but he couldn’t betray the CIA who he was still loyal to and believed in.

When in 1998 interviewed by the French investigative journalist, Fabrizio Calvi, about the CIA’s connections to Operation Gladio, Wyatt suddenly said out of the blue:
”You know, I always wondered what Bill Harvey was doing in Dallas in November 1963,”
After this shocker Wyatt told him how he had bumped in to Harvey on a plane to Dallas sometime before the assassination and asked him why he was going there. Harvey had answered vaugely:
“I’m here to see what’s happening.”
(Talbot, David: The Devils Chessboard)

David Talbot has since tried to FOIA Bill Haveys travel vouchers from that period in time from the CIA, but so far no show.

Also HSCA investigator Dan Hardway tried to get hold of Harveys travel vouchers and security files 1978, but got stone walled by the CIA in spite of his Congressional mandate to investigate the assassination of JFK.

Harvey was one of the prime suspects in the assassination according to Hardway.

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4. Evidence?
Maybe Harveys widow, ex CIA officer C.G. Harvey, should tell you her self?

”They were really scum”: https://youtu.be/iabXbtn5mUE

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Evidence?
(1:46) https://youtu.be/WzOs-jTOo-Q
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
The false Secret Service agent was a Treasury Department agent.
Name?
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Originally Posted by heymatto70 View Post
My question:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1#post12289141


Your response:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=2896

All you had to do was say what books or anything you've read to show exactly where you get your information to show how you had read the controversy. You refused to do so.
Yes, I have read lots about the controversy. In books but mostly on the net since it is there most of it can be found. But since it was a while back, I do not have the details fresh in my mind and therefore a bit of a project to put together all the scattered information to a comprehensive listing.

It have to wait.
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Old 11th June 2018, 10:45 PM   #199
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You missed Axxman's point. I thought you said were well read on this stuff!
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You missed Axxman's point. I thought you said were well read on this stuff!
What ”point” did I miss?
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