Life of Mary?! - Page 3

dellarte · 5th June 2022, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by AniKoferBo

maybe yes
maybe no

More likely her name was מרים (Mrim, Mirriam)?

There are two Marys in the holey (pun intended) patchwork quilt known as the Religion of the Cross.

Are we to believe a father god told a gender neutral god to touch Mary without consent? No means no, except when it involves ancient gods and virgin human women, so it seems.

Then there is عائشة (Aisha) child bride to the Prophet of the Religion of the Crescent.

Delvo · 5th June 2022, 05:21 AM

My favorite little detail of the original post is that, while talking about how little is known about Mary, it was content to throw in a detail that isn't mentioned in even the few sources we do have mentioning her:

Originally Posted by AniKoferBo

forced to marry a man three times her age

Somebody just made that up some number of years later. So if you're satisfied with answers that anybody can just make up at any place & time to fill in the gaps in the sources, then why ask at all? Just make up whatever you feel like making up. That's what whoever added that thing about their ages did, so why not anybody else?

Cosmic Yak · 5th June 2022, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by AniKoferBo

What was the community like in which she grew from child to teenager forced to marry a man three times her age?

Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her?

Babbylonian · 5th June 2022, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her?

God is everything, including a handsome, virile 17-year-old.

TheGoldcountry · 5th June 2022, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

God is everything, including a handsome, virile 17-year-old.

He was emulating Zeus, who would pretend to be anything for a young maiden.

His sons had more exciting adventures.

acbytesla · 5th June 2022, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak

Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her?

God...the rapist.

TheGoldcountry · 5th June 2022, 03:40 PM

I was taught in catechism that God was timeless, the "alpha and omega."

What is that minus 14? What would you call this, a May/Eternity romance?

acbytesla · 5th June 2022, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

I was taught in catechism that God was timeless, the "alpha and omega."

What is that minus 14? What would you call this, a May/Eternity romance?

"Timeless"

A definition that means absolutely nothing.

The Man · 6th June 2022, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

"Timeless"

A definition that means absolutely nothing.

Rather serendipitous, as meaning absolutely nothing would also be timeless.

The Great Zaganza · 6th June 2022, 06:44 AM

Three pages in, and no one mentioned St. Anna, mother of Mary?
(A genuine catholic saint)

dellarte · 8th June 2022, 03:56 AM

She's the most famous woman in history, yet almost nothing is known about her. Although she's portrayed as the gentlest and most tragic of all women, her name has been used as an excuse for internecine hatred and wars between peoples.

But who was Aisha, prepubescent "Mother of the Believers"? What type of family did she have? What was the community like in which she grew from child to teenager forced to marry a man three times her age?

And why have virtually all the details of her early life been obscured and censored by the writers of the Quran?

What happened to her after death of the Prophet of the Religion of the Crescent (aka: the PoRC)?!

HansMustermann · 8th June 2022, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

"Timeless"

A definition that means absolutely nothing.

Well, basically, he's infinity old, according to the church.

Biggest layabout NEET in history, come to think about it. I mean, people feel bad about spending a year unemployed and doing nothing. This guy sat on his fat holy ass for literally infinity before deciding to DO anything at all.

acbytesla · 8th June 2022, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by HansMustermann

Well, basically, he's infinity old, according to the church.

Biggest layabout NEET in history, come to think about it. I mean, people feel bad about spending a year unemployed and doing nothing. This guy sat on his fat holy ass for literally infinity before deciding to DO anything at all.

Which church? Also infinity isn't much of an improvement as it isn't a number.

HansMustermann · 8th June 2022, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Which church? Also infinity isn't much of an improvement as it isn't a number.

Pretty sure it's standard for all of RCC, Eastern Orthodox AND most protestants. Pretty sure it applies to the Muslims too. (If nothing else, otherwise the Kalam argument would lose a premise right there.)

And hey, I didn't say it was a smart doctrine. In case it wasn't clear from my taking the piss out of it

HansMustermann · 8th June 2022, 01:54 PM

Also, pfft, Mary is of course a fake. The REAL thing is, of course, Lavinia Whateley

acbytesla · 8th June 2022, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by HansMustermann

Pretty sure it's standard for all of RCC, Eastern Orthodox AND most protestants. Pretty sure it applies to the Muslims too. (If nothing else, otherwise the Kalam argument would lose a premise right there.)

And hey, I didn't say it was a smart doctrine. In case it wasn't clear from my taking the piss out of it

I knew you were. It's funny. Religions are funny. There is a level of absurdity about every one I have ever heard.

HansMustermann · 8th June 2022, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Especially if she had a child outside of marriage.

Funny thing, though, the rules don't actually say anything about it being God's son in Deuteronomy 22. If she bleeds on the first knight she's ok, if not, stone her. Incidentally, that doesn't mention pregnancy as a criterion or anything. It may seem strange to you or I, but her being pregnant is actually even mentioned there. If she bleeds, that's it.

The pregnancy part is more like Numbers 5:11-31, which basically is how to cause an abortion (and leave her barren in the process) if you suspect she's been unfaithful.

Incidentally, Numbers WOULD have been a test if it's really God's son, since the whole thing repeatedly talks about whether she's been "with another man." So (assuming you believe the magical mumbo jumbo and) if it's really just a miracle from God, that abortion should fail. And really, if God is doing the magic there, he's not gonna abort Jesus, right? But somehow Joe, who we're told was a righteous man, doesn't do that.

Tassman · 9th June 2022, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I knew you were. It's funny. Religions are funny. There is a level of absurdity about every one I have ever heard.

Yes they are - AND superseded. They only arose in the pre-scientific era as a way to explain lightning and where the sun went at night et al. Now we know thanks to science.

HansMustermann · 10th June 2022, 02:26 AM

Pretty literally, in fact. Egyptian religion literally went into where does Ra go at night. And it wasn't even one single explanation, since, well, we ARE talking about 3000 years or so of it.

5th June 2022, 04:58 AM	#81
dellarte Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 3,605	Originally Posted by AniKoferBo maybe yes maybe no More likely her name was מרים (Mrim, Mirriam)? There are two Marys in the holey (pun intended) patchwork quilt known as the Religion of the Cross. Are we to believe a father god told a gender neutral god to touch Mary without consent? No means no, except when it involves ancient gods and virgin human women, so it seems. Then there is عائشة (Aisha) child bride to the Prophet of the Religion of the Crescent.
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5th June 2022, 07:36 AM	#83
Cosmic Yak Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Where there's never a road broader than the back of your hand. Posts: 5,956	Originally Posted by AniKoferBo What was the community like in which she grew from child to teenager forced to marry a man three times her age? Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her?
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5th June 2022, 03:36 PM	#85
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,820	Originally Posted by Babbylonian God is everything, including a handsome, virile 17-year-old. He was emulating Zeus, who would pretend to be anything for a young maiden. His sons had more exciting adventures.
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5th June 2022, 03:38 PM	#86
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30,558	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her? God...the rapist.
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5th June 2022, 03:40 PM	#87
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 6,820	I was taught in catechism that God was timeless, the "alpha and omega." What is that minus 14? What would you call this, a May/Eternity romance?
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5th June 2022, 05:21 AM	#82
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 10,360	My favorite little detail of the original post is that, while talking about how little is known about Mary, it was content to throw in a detail that isn't mentioned in even the few sources we do have mentioning her: Originally Posted by AniKoferBo forced to marry a man three times her age Somebody just made that up some number of years later. So if you're satisfied with answers that anybody can just make up at any place & time to fill in the gaps in the sources, then why ask at all? Just make up whatever you feel like making up. That's what whoever added that thing about their ages did, so why not anybody else?

5th June 2022, 03:18 PM	#84
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,909	Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak Wait- you want to talk about the age gap between Mary and Joseph? What about the age gap between Mary and the God who impregnated her? God is everything, including a handsome, virile 17-year-old.

5th June 2022, 04:58 PM	#88
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30,558	Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry I was taught in catechism that God was timeless, the "alpha and omega." What is that minus 14? What would you call this, a May/Eternity romance? "Timeless" A definition that means absolutely nothing.
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6th June 2022, 05:34 AM	#89
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 16,513	Originally Posted by acbytesla "Timeless" A definition that means absolutely nothing. Rather serendipitous, as meaning absolutely nothing would also be timeless.
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6th June 2022, 06:44 AM	#90
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 18,090	Three pages in, and no one mentioned St. Anna, mother of Mary? (A genuine catholic saint)
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8th June 2022, 03:56 AM	#91
dellarte Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 3,605	Life of Aisha?! She's the most famous woman in history, yet almost nothing is known about her. Although she's portrayed as the gentlest and most tragic of all women, her name has been used as an excuse for internecine hatred and wars between peoples. But who was Aisha, prepubescent "Mother of the Believers"? What type of family did she have? What was the community like in which she grew from child to teenager forced to marry a man three times her age? And why have virtually all the details of her early life been obscured and censored by the writers of the Quran? What happened to her after death of the Prophet of the Religion of the Crescent (aka: the PoRC)?! Am working on a prequel.
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8th June 2022, 07:27 AM	#92
HansMustermann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20,298	Originally Posted by acbytesla "Timeless" A definition that means absolutely nothing. Well, basically, he's infinity old, according to the church. Biggest layabout NEET in history, come to think about it. I mean, people feel bad about spending a year unemployed and doing nothing. This guy sat on his fat holy ass for literally infinity before deciding to DO anything at all.
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8th June 2022, 12:51 PM	#93
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30,558	Originally Posted by HansMustermann Well, basically, he's infinity old, according to the church. Biggest layabout NEET in history, come to think about it. I mean, people feel bad about spending a year unemployed and doing nothing. This guy sat on his fat holy ass for literally infinity before deciding to DO anything at all. Which church? Also infinity isn't much of an improvement as it isn't a number.
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8th June 2022, 01:52 PM	#94
HansMustermann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20,298	Originally Posted by acbytesla Which church? Also infinity isn't much of an improvement as it isn't a number. Pretty sure it's standard for all of RCC, Eastern Orthodox AND most protestants. Pretty sure it applies to the Muslims too. (If nothing else, otherwise the Kalam argument would lose a premise right there.) And hey, I didn't say it was a smart doctrine. In case it wasn't clear from my taking the piss out of it
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8th June 2022, 01:54 PM	#95
HansMustermann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20,298	Also, pfft, Mary is of course a fake. The REAL thing is, of course, Lavinia Whateley
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8th June 2022, 02:27 PM	#96
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 30,558	Originally Posted by HansMustermann Pretty sure it's standard for all of RCC, Eastern Orthodox AND most protestants. Pretty sure it applies to the Muslims too. (If nothing else, otherwise the Kalam argument would lose a premise right there.) And hey, I didn't say it was a smart doctrine. In case it wasn't clear from my taking the piss out of it I knew you were. It's funny. Religions are funny. There is a level of absurdity about every one I have ever heard.
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8th June 2022, 11:45 PM	#97
HansMustermann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20,298	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Especially if she had a child outside of marriage. Funny thing, though, the rules don't actually say anything about it being God's son in Deuteronomy 22. If she bleeds on the first knight she's ok, if not, stone her. Incidentally, that doesn't mention pregnancy as a criterion or anything. It may seem strange to you or I, but her being pregnant is actually even mentioned there. If she bleeds, that's it. The pregnancy part is more like Numbers 5:11-31, which basically is how to cause an abortion (and leave her barren in the process) if you suspect she's been unfaithful. Incidentally, Numbers WOULD have been a test if it's really God's son, since the whole thing repeatedly talks about whether she's been "with another man." So (assuming you believe the magical mumbo jumbo and) if it's really just a miracle from God, that abortion should fail. And really, if God is doing the magic there, he's not gonna abort Jesus, right? But somehow Joe, who we're told was a righteous man, doesn't do that.
	__________________ Which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?

9th June 2022, 09:58 PM	#98
Tassman Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,176	Originally Posted by acbytesla I knew you were. It's funny. Religions are funny. There is a level of absurdity about every one I have ever heard. Yes they are - AND superseded. They only arose in the pre-scientific era as a way to explain lightning and where the sun went at night et al. Now we know thanks to science.
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10th June 2022, 02:26 AM	#99
HansMustermann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 20,298	Pretty literally, in fact. Egyptian religion literally went into where does Ra go at night. And it wasn't even one single explanation, since, well, we ARE talking about 3000 years or so of it.
	__________________ Which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?