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Old 5th July 2019, 12:45 PM   #4281
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Wrong. The EC woo is all about EDM (lol), electric discharges and rock. And is based on a non-existent solar radial electric field, and the eccentricity of comets. All of which is 100% wrong. Citing any number of papers, that you fail to understand, is not going to change that. Flogging a dead horse will not bring it back to life.
All rock or mostly rock?

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Old 5th July 2019, 01:12 PM   #4282
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All rock or mostly rock?

No rock whatsoever. And certainly nothing of planetary origin, which kills the whole raison d'etre of the EC woo in the first place - lightning bolts carving dirty great chunks of rock off of Earth. Or Mars. Or wherever.
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Old 7th July 2019, 03:49 PM   #4283
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Old 7th July 2019, 10:46 PM   #4284
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So mostly ice then.

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Old 8th July 2019, 12:23 AM   #4285
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So mostly ice then.

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So mostly ice then.

Who said that? Learn to read. I've linked you to papers that are two decades + old, that say otherwise. If you took the time to actually read the science, instead of making **** up, you might actually learn something.
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Old 8th July 2019, 01:43 PM   #4287
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Sol88's usual insanity about mainstream comets irrelevant to his demented cult's dogma about comets.

He knows that real comets are expected to have more ices than dust from their formation in the early solar system. He knows that we have measured 2 real comets out of many real comets to have more dust then ices. That suggests that a typical real comet may have more dust than ices - more data is needed.

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So A’Hearn was an idiot that does not no the difference between dust/ice and rock according to both reality check and jonesdave116.

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(c) Whatarecometsmadeof? At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
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The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88's lies about our posts.
We have written that Michael Francis A'Hearn was an expert on comets using standard terms (ices/rock/dirt/refractory material) for the composition of comets made of ices and dust as in the hundreds of papers he wrote !

It is Sol88 who is insanely insulting A'Hearn.

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So A’Hearn was an idiot that does not no the difference between dust/ice and rock according to both reality check and jonesdave116.

Michael F. A’Hearn
Then you'll have no problem linking to the papers where this planetary rock has been detected. You know - granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone etc.
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:43 PM   #4291
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So you are calling A’Hearn a ******** artist.

So sad.


Key word here EVOLVING. Look it up and get back to me when you can champ, cheers.
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

Sol88's lies about our posts.
We have written that Michael Francis A'Hearn was an expert on comets using standard terms (ices/rock/dirt/refractory material) for the composition of comets made of ices and dust as in the hundreds of papers he wrote !

It is Sol88 who is insanely insulting A'Hearn.

A'Hearn's opinion in 1 paper is that we are evolving toward comets made of more dust (rock/dirt/refractory material) than ices. That is the sanity of comets being made of what they are detected to be made of - ices and material from the eartly solar system and even a little interstellar dust !

That is not the demented insanity of planetary rock - granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone etc. - blasted from planets such as the Earth by delusions of lightning between planets as they impossibly careen around the solar system.

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Then you'll have no problem linking to the papers where this planetary rock has been detected. You know - granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone etc.

Are STATING we haven't?

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Clay and carbonates are thought to form in liquid water, which can only exist for long periods on the surface of planets or other objects no further from the Sun than Mars. But comets such as Tempel 1 are thought to have formed as smaller chunks of material smashed together around the orbit of Neptune – where any water would be in the form of ice.
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Clay and carbonates are thought to form in liquid water, which can only exist for long periods on the surface of planets or other objects no further from the Sun than Mars. But comets such as Tempel 1 are thought to have formed as smaller chunks of material smashed together around the orbit of Neptune – where any water would be in the form of ice.


https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/deep-impact/

So no granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone etc

Interesting the olvine, forsterite then but Olivine (The primary component of the earth's upper mantle, it is a common mineral in Earth's subsurface but weathers quickly on the surface.)

So A'Hearn was right, comets ARE MOSTLY ROCK. Thanks for coming jonesdave116, don't let the door hit you on your way out!
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Sol88's usual insane lies about science.

Comet's minerals hint at liquid water (8 September 2005)
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This could suggests the disc of gas and dust from which the solar system formed got mixed together billions of years ago, whisking matter from warm regions near the Sun outward – or that an unknown process may allow a layer of liquid water to exist beneath the dusty coatings on comets.
No demented delusions abut planetary rock and comets there. No granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone, etc. !

Mission to comet Tempel 1 Deep Impact
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September 2005: Astronomers, using data from NASA's Sptizer Space Telescope and Deep Impact, come up with a list of compounds thought to be the recipe for planets, comets and other bodies in the solar system. Included are silicates, or sand, clay, carbonates, iron-bearing compounds and even aromatic hydrocarbons.

February 2006: The Deep Impact team discovers water ice on comet Tempel 1.
No demented delusions about planetary rock and comets there. No granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone, etc. !
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Interesting the olvine
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Sol88 insanity about olvine dust grains (not rock!). No olvine rock has ever been found on comets.

Olvine is not unique to Earth or rocky planets. Olvine is fairly common and as expected found in comets made of ices and dust.
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Mg-rich olivine has also been discovered in meteorites,[13] on the Moon[14] and Mars,[15][16] falling into infant stars,[17] as well as on asteroid 25143 Itokawa.[18] Such meteorites include chondrites, collections of debris from the early Solar System; and pallasites, mixes of iron-nickel and olivine.

The spectral signature of olivine has been seen in the dust disks around young stars. The tails of comets (which formed from the dust disk around the young Sun) often have the spectral signature of olivine, and the presence of olivine was verified in samples of a comet from the Stardust spacecraft in 2006.[19] Comet-like (magnesium-rich) olivine has also been detected in the planetesimal belt around the star Beta Pictoris.[20]

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..., forsterite
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Sol88 insanity about forsterite dust grains (not rock!). No forsterite rock has ever been found on comets.

forsterite is seen in the formation of stars. IOW expected in the early solar system and thus comets.
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Forsterite is associated with igneous and metamorphic rocks and has also been found in meteorites. In 2005 it was also found in cometary dust returned by the Stardust probe.[5] In 2011 it was observed as tiny crystals in the dusty clouds of gas around a forming star.[6]

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So...comets are mostly rock!
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So you are calling A’Hearn a ******** artist.

So sad.


Key word here EVOLVING. Look it up and get back to me when you can champ, cheers.
Nope, just quit with your pathetic lies, and link us to the detection of rock. Simple. Get on with it. You can't, can you? Because it has never happened. All you've got is fantasies and lying. Sad.
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Are STATING we haven't?







https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/deep-impact/

So no granite, basalt, sandstone, limestone etc

Interesting the olvine, forsterite then but Olivine (The primary component of the earth's upper mantle, it is a common mineral in Earth's subsurface but weathers quickly on the surface.)

So A'Hearn was right, comets ARE MOSTLY ROCK. Thanks for coming jonesdave116, don't let the door hit you on your way out!
That is not rock. That is just you being scientifically illiterate. As usual. It is a prerequisite of believing the unscientific crap that you believe.
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So...comets are mostly rock!
Nope. No rock ever detected at a comet. Continually lying is not going to change that. Where was this rock detected? Links, please.
Your idiocy is scientifically impossible. You would know this if you had even a passing acquaintance with any sort of science. You haven't. By definition. It is what allows you to believe in fairy tales.
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That is not rock. That is just you being scientifically illiterate. As usual. It is a prerequisite of believing the unscientific crap that you believe.

What else did they find beside your imagined shed loads of ice at Tempel 1?

Did they find any clays?

Did they find any carbonates?

Did they sweep it under the carpet because IT does not fit with Whipple's outdated and incorrect dirtysnowball model?

You have nothing but OLD papers sport. We used to think comets as MOSTLY ICE now MOSTLY ROCK!!

That lying useless old codger and hes MOSTLY ROCK statement.

Every idiot knows comets are mostly vacuum with ice and some dust, correct jonesdave116?

Some people evolve some don't.

You've made your bed champ, lets discuss some more AFTER the new papers.

You don't like the papers that mess with your paradigm anyway.

Such as....Martin Pätzold's Paper

You conveniently ignored that paper.
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What else did they find beside your imagined shed loads of ice at Tempel 1?

Did they find any clays?

Did they find any carbonates?

Did they sweep it under the carpet because IT does not fit with Whipple's outdated and incorrect dirtysnowball model?

You have nothing but OLD papers sport. We used to think comets as MOSTLY ICE now MOSTLY ROCK!!

That lying useless old codger and hes MOSTLY ROCK statement.

Every idiot knows comets are mostly vacuum with ice and some dust, correct jonesdave116?

Some people evolve some don't.

You've made your bed champ, lets discuss some more AFTER the new papers.

You don't like the papers that mess with your paradigm anyway.

Such as....Martin Pätzold's Paper

You conveniently ignored that paper.
Liar. There was nothing imagined about the thousands of tonnes of ice excavated at Tempel 1. Why do you lie so much? Because that one observation (by different instruments) kills your woo stone dead? 14 years ago. Is that why you lie? It is killing your religion?
And there are no papers, new or otherwise that outline the detection of rock. That is just you being economical with the truth. Again. Otherwise you'd link to them. Give up. You lost waaaaaay back. Why are you still here? Does your religion demand it?
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Did. Martin patzolds. You ignore it just as ignore the comets are “ice” farietale you have a religious faith in.

Only one of us is correct. My money is on A’Hearns evolving understanding.
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Did. Martin patzolds. You ignore it just as ignore the comets are “ice” farietale you have a religious faith in.

Only one of us is correct. My money is on A’Hearns evolving understanding.
A'Hearn isn't talking about rock. He is talking about dust. As you well know. And Patzold is wrong. There are too many measurements of various phenomena that rule out a drastic revision of the volatile production rates. The diamagnetic cavity for one. The solar wind cavity for another. No ice equals no way of creating the conditions that form those observed phenomena. No way around it. He has either underestimated the fallback material, or the total mass loss. Or both.
And I have no 'faith' in there being ice at comets. Thousands of tonnes of it observed to be ejected from Tempel 1. Want the links to the papers? For the umpteenth time? Shed loads of it detected and observed around Hartley 2. Want the papers. Again? Or the images? Again? Loads of detections of ice grains around comets. Want the papers? Again? Ice observed at 67P numerous times. Want the papers? Again?
I don't need faith. I have evidence. You have a quasi-religion, and nothing else. No science, no mechanisms and no evidence.
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Sol88 usual insanity of lying about our posts.

We have listed the enormous physical evidence collected over at least 70 years that comets have no rock as in Sol88's demented dogma of comets being planetary rock. Comets have dust grains from the formation of the solar system and some interstellar dust grains held together with ices . Astronomers do not want to write that long phrase so they use the word "rock".
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The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
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Sol88's usual insane lies about science and our posts. Sol88's usual insults of astronomers and posters.

Whipple's updated modern and correct model includes that cometary dust grains can include clays, carbonates, etc. because these are formed during solar system formation

We have never ignored Martin Pätzold's paper There are 37 occurrences of Pätzold in this part of the 10 year long thread alone .

We have never ignored Sol88's repeated insanity about Martin Pätzold's paper. For example on 16th January 2019:
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Sol88's insane electric comet playbook of ignorance, delusions, idiocy (god of the gaps/false dichotomy/irrelevant mainstream citations), insults (an insane one of Michael O'Hearn), lies

Sol88 has the utter insanity that astronomers should not write about the implications of empirical evidence on real comets !

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Good theory, facts and confirmation'
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Trollin' trollin' trollin' ...
Nice poem, Dancing David.

Sol88 has been vomiting out his demented cult's insane dogma on comets, the Sun, etc. for probably over 12 years now and over 10 years here (6th July 2009) ! Sol88 is more a religious nut who has only persistent ignorance, delusions, lies and insults. Thus the insanity in his posts is not only from what he writes but the old adage of "insanity is repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome".

No one expects anything but ignorance, delusions, lies and insults from Sol88 and we get it confirmed almost daily!

My replies to his insane posts could just be:
The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.

However I do try to expose just how insane what Sol88 writes for the benefit of lurkers.
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Old 13th July 2019, 03:03 AM   #4309
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Alternating currents cause Jupiter's aurora

Poor jonesy.

So so sad, love the comments though. Jonesy has a dummy spit because he’s been wrong all along.

The Electric Jupiter, Electric Comet, Electric Sun, Electric Universe...

Good to see mainstream catching up though, very pleasing.

Tissue mate?

Maybe time to revisit Shoemaker–Levy 9 again?

Tap tap nails in the Dirtysnowball coffin.
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Old 13th July 2019, 03:55 AM   #4310
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Ah, since you claim the EU thing again, have you finally worked out how positive and negative charges in the solar system can move at the same speed in the same direction in your putative solar wide electrical field?

Because as long as you can't figure that out the EU model and all it's derivatives are baseless fantasy.
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Old 13th July 2019, 04:27 AM   #4311
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Mainstream will work it out.

I guess when they work out why the corona is hotter than the surface of Sun.

How’s that going?

Talking about fantasies, how can one make a singularity?
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Old 13th July 2019, 06:57 AM   #4312
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Alternating currents cause Jupiter's aurora

Poor jonesy.

So so sad, love the comments though. Jonesy has a dummy spit because he’s been wrong all along.

The Electric Jupiter, Electric Comet, Electric Sun, Electric Universe...

Good to see mainstream catching up though, very pleasing.

Tissue mate?

Maybe time to revisit Shoemaker–Levy 9 again?

Tap tap nails in the Dirtysnowball coffin.
I haven't been wrong about anything. Please point out where this happened. Do you mean about Birkeland/ FACs at Jupiter? Long since known. Next.
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Tap tap nails in the Dirtysnowball coffin.
Wrong. And you seem to forget that your unscientific woo has failed completely. When are you going to address that?
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Old 13th July 2019, 07:01 AM   #4314
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Mainstream will work it out.

I guess when they work out why the corona is hotter than the surface of Sun.

How’s that going?

Talking about fantasies, how can one make a singularity?
Plenty of proposed methods for the coronal heating. However, you don't have one. If you want to start a thread on black holes, or the solar corona, go ahead. Just don't be spamming your ignorance in this one, which is about the 100% failed electric woo model of comets.
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
Ah, since you claim the EU thing again, have you finally worked out how positive and negative charges in the solar system can move at the same speed in the same direction in your putative solar wide electrical field?

Because as long as you can't figure that out the EU model and all it's derivatives are baseless fantasy.

Optimistic!!!! When the clowns who propose such idiocy, such as Scott and Thornhill, can't answer those questions, we can't expect Sol to have even the foggiest!
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Mainstream will work it out.

I guess when they work out why the corona is hotter than the surface of Sun.

How’s that going?

Talking about fantasies, how can one make a singularity?
You again dodge this question. Like every other time.

Once again, in every single electrical field ever measured positive and negative charges are accelerated in opposite directions.

In outer space we see positive and negative charges be accelerated in the same direction

Thus there are no space-wide electrical fields.

EU and all it's fantasy requires space-wide electrical fields.

Thus EU and everything it claims is wrong UNLESS they come up with a theory that explains this. And that is where you fail to deliver every single time challenged.

Which just proves you either do not actually believe your own theory enough to actually try to defend it, or you are trolling.
Based upon your posting history, I assume the latter.
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
You again dodge this question. Like every other time.

Once again, in every single electrical field ever measured positive and negative charges are accelerated in opposite directions.

In outer space we see positive and negative charges be accelerated in the same direction

Thus there are no space-wide electrical fields.

EU and all it's fantasy requires space-wide electrical fields.

Thus EU and everything it claims is wrong UNLESS they come up with a theory that explains this. And that is where you fail to deliver every single time challenged.

Which just proves you either do not actually believe your own theory enough to actually try to defend it, or you are trolling.
Based upon your posting history, I assume the latter.
The problem, in my opinion, is that none of the EU cranks have a clue about what the solar wind is! Their leading 'thinker' on such things is Don Scott. Who is a clown. To qualify that statement, here is his outrageously ridiculous method for accelerating the solar wind;

https://electric-cosmos.org/SolarWind.pdf

Have a read through that, starting at section 6. Bloody hilarious. Tells us how to accelerate ions. Word search through the document to see what he wants to do with electrons. Absolutely hopeless. We end up with a Sun that is expelling ions and retaining electrons, and presumably doing so until the negative charge on the Sun causes it to blow up!
With high priests like these, it is easy to see how lost souls like Sol could easily be led astray!
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
You again dodge this question. Like every other time.

Once again, in every single electrical field ever measured positive and negative charges are accelerated in opposite directions.

In outer space we see positive and negative charges be accelerated in the same direction

Thus there are no space-wide electrical fields.

EU and all it's fantasy requires space-wide electrical fields.

Thus EU and everything it claims is wrong UNLESS they come up with a theory that explains this. And that is where you fail to deliver every single time challenged.

Which just proves you either do not actually believe your own theory enough to actually try to defend it, or you are trolling.
Based upon your posting history, I assume the latter.

I don’t know.

I also don’t know why the solar wind proton doesn’t capture the solar wind electron and become plain ‘ol hydrogen. Can you tell me why LS?

I thought + &- attract?
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Mainstream will work it out.

I guess when they work out why the corona is hotter than the surface of Sun.

How’s that going?

Talking about fantasies, how can one make a singularity?
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I don’t know.

I also don’t know why the solar wind proton doesn’t capture the solar wind electron and become plain ‘ol hydrogen. Can you tell me why LS?

I thought + &- attract?
ROTFLOL

Still asking the wrong question about the corona
Still in the dark about plasma physics

What a pointless thread
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When’s the new papers out, they will fill me in, ay.

Two electron populations and a sheath, I’m excited.
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