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Old 4th June 2019, 01:53 PM   #3921
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In my reading if h2o ions are being neutralised (not positively charged any more) by cometary electrons, does that not just make it neutral water.
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An insane question. Any positive ion becoming neutralized by gaining any electrons becomes a neutral atom or molecule !
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Old 4th June 2019, 01:55 PM   #3922
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Double layers here we come.
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His double layer insanity yet again.
His usual insane lies about the electric comet insanity which has no double layers.
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Old 4th June 2019, 02:01 PM   #3923
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...Bennu
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His usual insanity about the few active asteroids that if we treat as comets make his electric comet insanity even more insane (many 100,000s of asteroids have to be comets in his deluded world) !

The usual insanity of derailing from his electric comet insanity with questions about the real world.

Asteroid 101955 Bennu is active through physically possible mechanisms (spin up, sublimating ices, maybe electrostatic ejection).
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Anywhoo MHD..
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His usual insane lies about physics. The frozen in magnetic fields approximation was used for MHD decades ago and still used in appropriate situations. His insanity and lie is denying decades of science where MHD no longer needs the frozen in magnetic fields approximation.
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You do know what a double layer is, I assume?
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Sol88 shows no understanding physics, including what a double layer is which has been explained to him many times. Thus Sol88's insanely ignorant fantasies about DLs at comets which are physically impossible (turbulent magnetic fields in turbulent plasma + a Debye length of a few meters).

Sol88's usual insane lies abut the electric comet insanity which has no double layers.
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How are the electric currents generated? Sublimation?
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Usual insanely ignorant and irrelevant questions.
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Old 4th June 2019, 02:17 PM   #3927
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Insane fantasy about having to visit asteroids to see if they are active and that they will be active !

Of the maybe million of documented observed asteroids, there are a handful of active asteroids.

Usual insanity of not understanding that defining active asteroids as comets makes the electric comet insanity even more inside because 100,000s of Astrid's would be comets in his deluded world.
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Usual insane lies about mainstream ices and dust comet papers.

Diurnal variation of dust and gas production in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at the inbound equinox as seen by OSIRIS and VIRTIS-M on board Rosetta debunks his electric comet insanity !
That "diurnal variation of dust and gas production" is what happens with sublimation. There is dust and gas production on the dark side of the comet (debunks his electric comet insanity) and it changes when 67P rotates to put the areas in sunlight to produce more sublimation.
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Usual insane lies about the Asteroid–comet continuum objects in the solar system paper. It is a continuum of behavior, not definition. The paper lists real physical mechanisms that produce comet-like behavior at asteroids. Nothing in the paper is about his electric comet insanity.
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Old 4th June 2019, 02:32 PM   #3930
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Insane "rock, electric fields, charge seperation, electric currents" lies.

Sol88's delusions and lies are not physical evidence of comets being made of rock blasted from rocky planets which is the basis of his electric comet insanity.

Sol88's delusions and lies about rock emphasizes the electric comet insanity

Sol88's delusions and lies about electric fields emphasizes the electric comet insanity

Sol88's delusions and lies about charge separation emphasizes the electric comet insanity

Sol88's delusions and lies about electric currents emphasizes the electric comet insanity

The mainstream ices and dust comet model has real electric fields, charge separation and electric currents doing what real electric fields, charge separation and electric currents do.
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The active asteroid insanity and lies.

It is comet-like activity at a few asteroids, e.g. dust plumes at Bennu that are like comet jets without any observed gas.

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Go look it up ...
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Insanity that he cannot state what the electric comet theory is !
This is really insane because he knows the deluded thunderbolts cult has a web site where the electric comet insanity is written down. This is the same web site that shows that the thunderbolts prophets are deluded and/or liars.

Or he is avoiding the electric comet insanity of having no scientific theory for the past 45 years
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You seem to struggle with the basics bit like rc.
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Resorts to insults to derail from his electric comet insanity.
I have explained the electric comet insanity in detail for many years.
JeanTate's post suggests that he knows the details of the electric comet insanity but he wants to know is there is any sanity in it, e.g. an actual electric comet theory. Theory as used in science, not fiction.

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Simpleton version just for you, comets are rocks discharging within the solar plasma.
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His usual lies about the electric comet insanity.
Simpleton version of the real electric comet just for Sol88: Comets are rocks discharging in a solar electric field, those rocks were blasted from rocky planets, those blasts were from electric discharges between planets, those blasts are recorded in our myths, jets are electric discharges, electric discharge machining makes comet surfaces smooth like the surfaces of EDM macimed metals.

Anyone (even a simpleton) can see how insane the electric comet is.
The density alone of comets makes then not rocks. We have grans form a comet that were produced in space, not planets. The insanity of planets whizzing around to make magical discharges. Insanity of cubic kilometers of rock being blasted from the Earth with no evidence , e.g. millions of mass extinctions! The utter insanity of electric discharges vanishing in the shadows like jets do. Insanity of a dielectric fluid need for EDM on comets. The utter insanity that comet nuclei have smooth (as in EDM machined) surfaces when we have had images of comet nuclei for decades !
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At least our understanding has been evolving toward mostly rock
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Usual insane insult of astronomers believing that comets are the electric comet insanity of rock.
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Go Singing comet was a good’n too for the EC.
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Usual insane lies about the electric comet insanity which has no "singing comets".

Mainstream ices and dust comets do "sing" because whistlers in plasma is textbook physics. There was an mainstream explained new song found at 67P. Sol88 will go crazy about that article and the reports use of a "space rock" term!
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Part of the electric comet insanity is that gravity does not "exist" - at least as we nokw it! They deny that the several techniques using gravity to measure comet density work. With the usual insane delusions abut electric fields.

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An insane question. Any positive ion becoming neutralized by gaining any electrons becomes a neutral atom or molecule !




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Usual insane lies about the electric comet insanity.
The electric comet insanity has actual rock not his delusions about refractory material.

Refractory material in cometary science means non-volatile material, the not ices part of comets made of ices and dust !
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Usual insane insult of astronomers believing in his electric comet insanity of actual rock.
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Comets are mostly rock, no.
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Usual insanity of lying about the electric comet insanity witch starts with comets are rock.
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In fact if you really want the quote that gets me all frothy; how do you read that, steenkh?
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In my reading if h2o ions are being neutralised (not positively charged any more) by cometary electrons, does that not just make it neutral water?

Along with solar wind protons becoming neutral hydrogen by pinching and electron.
Oh dear! Lol. You really should keep away from plasma stuff. I'm no expert, but even I can understand what is being said there. They are talking about overall quasi-neutrality. The H2O+ is not becoming neutral H2O! This is a four fluid model. It means the solar wind electrons as a whole are balancing the cometary ions. So, we have + - + - + - + -, etc, etc. Just as we see in the quasi-neutral solar wind, sans comet. There are sufficient electrons to balance the charge of the ions over a volume > the Debye length. Please tell me that we don't have to explain quasi-neutrality to you!
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Comets are mostly consolidated refractory material.
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Usual insane lies about comets.
Two (2) comets are consolidated ices and refractory material with the refractory material dominating at 67P (at least 17% ices) and probably dominating at Tempel 1 (up to 50% water ices). He has been told this many times thus the insanity of the lie.
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EM is the dominant force not gravity.
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An insanely delusional statement showing that he has never seen a dropped object !

Gravity dominates between neutral objects. Gravity dominates between weakly enough charged objects. It needs a certain amount of charge to make EM dominate over gravity. Gravity works for all bodies on the solar system, natural and artificial without the need for EM. That includes comets!
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Divide by zero = singularity
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Irrelevant and ignorant delusions about singularities.

Sol88 has the delusion that singularities in gravity and electromagnetism (they both obey an inverse square law that blows up as r -> 0) somehow makes only gravity invalid !

Sol88 has the ignorant delusion that a singularity is a divide by zero error when high school children know not to divide by zero. A singularity is a quantity tending to infinity as a parameter goes to a limit. Coulomb's law for the force between charges goes to infinite as r goes to zero.
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Sorry mate iPad autocorrect.

Anyhoo,

Diurnal variation of dust and gas production in comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko at the inbound equinox as seen by OSIRIS and VIRTIS-M on board Rosetta

What say ye champ?


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Evidence says Mmmmmmmm.... your a clever cookie.
Yet another paper that you are failing to understand. Read the whole thing.

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No strong temporal correlation between total dust brightness and water production rates is found, despite water being still the main driver of dust activity at this period in time. The observed increased water activity in the Southern regions with strong seasonal variations, with respect to model expectations, is likely to be attributed to regional changes of volatile content or access to this. The best explanation for the drastic decrease in dust brightness when consolidated regions are illuminated is a quenched dust activity due to the high cohesion of surface material. These observations show that, when 67P is approaching perihelion, the dust activity cannot be understood based on water-driven activity alone.*
*From a bit further up the paper;

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A more thorough investigation in the near future demands application of more sophisticated thermo-physical models to treat not only non-uniform properties of the nucleus subsurface but also activity of multiple volatile species.
You need to start understanding these papers before quoting them.
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EM is the dominant force not gravity. EU never said gravity does not exist.
Wrong. Gravity totally dominates at these scales. Hence why they could put Rosetta in bound orbits based on the gravity measured from the RSI experiments. No electric woo is affecting those orbits. Of a charged, metallic spacecraft!
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Oh dear! Lol. You really should keep away from plasma stuff. I'm no expert, but even I can understand what is being said there. They are talking about overall quasi-neutrality. The H2O+ is not becoming neutral H2O! This is a four fluid model. It means the solar wind electrons as a whole are balancing the cometary ions. So, we have + - + - + - + -, etc, etc. Just as we see in the quasi-neutral solar wind, sans comet. There are sufficient electrons to balance the charge of the ions over a volume > the Debye length. Please tell me that we don't have to explain quasi-neutrality to you!
Well then it wasn't quasi-neutral at the comet then was it champ!

Which is the whole point of the electric comet.

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Usual insane irrelevant questions not about his electric comet insanity.
Usual insane lies about his electric comet insanity - maybe !
He suggests that his thunderbolts cult prophets are insane enough to think plasma cannot be quasineutral at comets. In the real world, plasmas are quasineutral above the Debye length scale and not below it. That is a few meters for comet coma.

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Well then it wasn't quasi-neutral at the comet then was it champ!

Which is the whole point of the electric comet.

Cheers again.

No, it isn't. You need EDM (lol), electric discharges and rock. Given that you are batting 0 from 3 on that count, you have failed, haven't you?
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Not really, remember charge seperation can not happen.

Like your myopic view of electric currents.

Plasma numpties have trouble with the basics.

are there any electric fields in space, jonesdave116?

Decca’s paper was a boon for the Electric comet, along with all the following papers confirming electric fields and currents at comets.

145kv potential drop at P1 Halley should have been a warning, but alas mainstream still trying to smash a round peg into square hole.

Hilarious.

Anywhoo, happy to have electric fields, charge separation, electric currents, charged dust (complex plasma) and a nucleus composed of consolidated dust.

All we need for an ELECTRIC COMET.

I’d say that’s looking pretty good, not so for a sublimating Dirtysnowball!
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a boon for the Electric comet, <snip>

All we need for an ELECTRIC COMET.

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Ah yes, like the mythical bunyip ...

Born from the union of nonsense and anti-science ...

Provided a comfortable living for some scam artists ...

Even set South Australia on fire (SAFIRE)! ...
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Not really, remember charge seperation can not happen.

Like your myopic view of electric currents.

Plasma numpties have trouble with the basics.

are there any electric fields in space, jonesdave116?

Decca’s paper was a boon for the Electric comet, along with all the following papers confirming electric fields and currents at comets.

145kv potential drop at P1 Halley should have been a warning, but alas mainstream still trying to smash a round peg into square hole.

Hilarious.

Anywhoo, happy to have electric fields, charge separation, electric currents, charged dust (complex plasma) and a nucleus composed of consolidated dust.

All we need for an ELECTRIC COMET.

I’d say that’s looking pretty good, not so for a sublimating Dirtysnowball!
Nope. You need EDM (lol), you need electric discharges, and you need planetary rock. Three strikes and you're out. And currents in cometary comae is hardly news. I think a certain plasma astrophysicist may have written a paper with that very title. So, we do not need lessons from the EU plasma ignoramuses. Not a single person involved in this electric comet scam has any qualifications in plasma physics. Or astrophysics. Or planetary science. Or anything remotely related to comets and their environment.
That is why they have been wrong about every single thing that they have predicted for comets. That is why they kept schtum when the Tempel 1 impactor blasted out thousands of tonnes of solid ice. And when shed loads of the stuff was seen and detected at Hartley 2. Hell, they were still telling us there was no H2O two decades after it was first definitively detected at Halley by the Kuiper Airborne Observatory! And many detections since then.
So, nope. What you have there is a complete failure, wrapped up in lies and obfuscation. Not bad going for a decade and a half of spamming this crap all over the interweb! You must be proud! Unfortunately, you are still batting zero. Your woo died on Independence Day, 2005.
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are there any electric fields in space, jonesdave116?
What difference does that make to your failed woo? The solar wind has an associated electric field. We've kind of known about that for some time! The magnetic field (the IMF) is moving. Therefore, complete this equation; ? = -v x B. Your problem is that you don't understand electric fields. Or what they are doing. Like your idiotic claim that an ambipolar field would accelerate negatively charged dust, when the bloody thing is only set up to retard negatively charged electrons, and therefore accelerate positive ions!
So, who doesn't understand plasma physics?
And the claim that the solar wind electrons are turning H2O+ into neutral water!
So, who doesn't understand plasma physics?
I'm sure there is mountains more where Tusenfem has told you that you don't know what you're talking about. However, you get the point.

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Decca’s paper was a boon for the Electric comet,......
Then why you are too chicken to discuss it with Indagator? The very thing you denied being there (cometary gases) is required for Deca's paper to make any sense. Where are you getting charge separation from? What is separating?
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Plasma numpties have trouble with the basics.

Says the fellow who doesn't know the difference between specific gravity and bulk density.
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Not really, remember charge seperation can not happen.
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An insane lie when he knows plasma as in comet coma is separated charges.
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Like your myopic view of electric currents.
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An insane lie when he is the one with delusions abut electric currents and comets.

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Plasma numpties have trouble with the basics.
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An insane insult when plasma basics are easy for anyone with a brain to understand. Anyone who can read Wikipedia can understand the basics. Anyone who can reads a physics textbook can understand the basics. That excludes anyone believing in the electric comet insanity.
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..., jonesdave116?
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Sol88's insanity of asking irrelevant, answered questions again and again.
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Decca’s paper...
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Usual insane lies about mainstream ices and dust comet papers.
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