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Old 6th January 2018, 03:53 PM   #1
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Talking Flat Earth Youtube video (What the heck did I just watch?).

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She's Australian, a Weeaboo, a Koreaboo (I've seen some reaction video's based on the last 2 statements...), loves to insult people online and a Flat Earther.

And this one involves the Illuminati (I thought NASA were the bad guys with this one?).

Patrick, you naughty boy. What have you done this time?
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Old 6th January 2018, 05:10 PM   #2
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This video has been posted previously. It doesn't get any better with repetition.

By the way, does anyone know how old this child was when she made the video? Does anyone have any background on her, her parents, her community?

Edit, I watched it on YouTube, but still could not find answers to those questions. As of now it has over 1 million views.

Edit 2. What is a Weeaboo, or a Koreaboo?

And Edit 3 -- someone within the past six months posted a link to a video of (Steven Hawkins?) instructing people to measure the height of the spot from a laser against a pole mounted on a boat when the boat was near shore and then farther away. I have not been able to find that video. But I certainly could use it when discussing FEFH (FlatEarth False Hypothesis) whit an acquaintance.
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Originally Posted by xterra View Post
This video has been posted previously. It doesn't get any better with repetition.

By the way, does anyone know how old this child was when she made the video? Does anyone have any background on her, her parents, her community?

Edit, I watched it on YouTube, but still could not find answers to those questions. As of now it has over 1 million views.

Edit 2. What is a Weeaboo, or a Koreaboo?

And Edit 3 -- someone within the past six months posted a link to a video of (Steven Hawkins?) instructing people to measure the height of the spot from a laser against a pole mounted on a boat when the boat was near shore and then farther away. I have not been able to find that video. But I certainly could use it when discussing FEFH (FlatEarth False Hypothesis) whit an acquaintance.
It did? Where? I actually searched in this forum for any "Flat Earth" topics covering this video.

And Weeaboos, watch this:

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I used to call them people with a "Japan Fetish", before I even heard of this word.

Koreaboos are basically the same, except you replace "Japan", with "South-Korea" and "Anime & Manga" with "Kpop idol obsession".
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Old 6th January 2018, 06:43 PM   #4
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I think the actual topic of the Hawkins video related to a series on the size of the universe. He had three "ordinary" people follow his instructions to measure diameter of earth, distance to moon, etc.

However, it very clearly and simply showed the reason that the surface of a (pretty large) calm lake is not flat, but curved. I suspect that the lake was Great Salt Lake in Utah.


ETA, I searched YouTube also, but could not find it; inept searching, I guess.
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Old 6th January 2018, 09:46 PM   #5
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The video apparently comes from this Youtube account
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I've seen it here and in several other places that there is no Illuminati. That doesn't even make sense. There's a Wikipedia entry that talks about it. I'm not saying that everything on Wikipedia is true, but if you read it, it's just really clear how the Illuminati controls the world.
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Old 8th January 2018, 08:29 AM   #6
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I was standing looking at the stars tonight and realised another debunk of the Flat Earth Perspective argument for stars.

The Claim is that the stars are on a plane above the Earth and we see them head towards the horizon due to perspective and vanishing points.

The trouble with this is that there is no foreshortening in the constellations. Foreshortening is when things far away look shorter than they really are because of distance. Consider the road in the picture below....



While we know that the yellow lines are the same length and the spaces between them are of equal length as well, we see them as shorter the further they are away, until the yellow lines appear to become a continuous line without gaps. This is foreshortening.

We don't see this in the stars constellations though. If they truly appeared to meet the horizon sure to perspective that as the get closer to the horizon then they should get foreshortened as well. Consider this picture I took of the Southern Cross from my front yard a few years ago.



Where the Flat Earther's claim right, then it should look a little more like this instead...



That it doesn't pretty much proves that the perspective claim is debunked.
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Originally Posted by xterra View Post
This video has been posted previously. It doesn't get any better with repetition.

By the way, does anyone know how old this child was when she made the video? Does anyone have any background on her, her parents, her community?

Edit, I watched it on YouTube, but still could not find answers to those questions. As of now it has over 1 million views.

Edit 2. What is a Weeaboo, or a Koreaboo?

And Edit 3 -- someone within the past six months posted a link to a video of (Steven Hawkins?) instructing people to measure the height of the spot from a laser against a pole mounted on a boat when the boat was near shore and then farther away. I have not been able to find that video. But I certainly could use it when discussing FEFH (FlatEarth False Hypothesis) whit an acquaintance.
I forgot to mention this. She was 15 years old. That video received a reaction from a channel called Reaction Time, and several reaction video's followed afterwards. The first 3 being in 2016 and in the 3rd, she said that she was 15 years old.
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Do I understand from all this that her Flat Earth rant was a spoof? If so, she did a good job at it.

I am still looking for the Steven Hawkins video; if anyone encounters it, please inform me. It is such an elegant demonstration of non-flat earth that it's hard to believe anyone who sees it would fail to be convinced. (I know, I know -- that's only because I don't know "Teh Truth" about NASA's conspiracy, the one that started in Greece about 500 years BCE.)
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I think the actual topic of the Hawkins video related to a series on the size of the universe. He had three "ordinary" people follow his instructions to measure diameter of earth, distance to moon, etc.

However, it very clearly and simply showed the reason that the surface of a (pretty large) calm lake is not flat, but curved. I suspect that the lake was Great Salt Lake in Utah.


ETA, I searched YouTube also, but could not find it; inept searching, I guess.
here ya go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVa2UmgdTM4
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Do I understand from all this that her Flat Earth rant was a spoof? If so, she did a good job at it.

I am still looking for the Steven Hawkins video; if anyone encounters it, please inform me. It is such an elegant demonstration of non-flat earth that it's hard to believe anyone who sees it would fail to be convinced. (I know, I know -- that's only because I don't know "Teh Truth" about NASA's conspiracy, the one that started in Greece about 500 years BCE.)
You might find it if you search for "Stephen Hawking". I'm not sure who "Stephen Hawkins" is.
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You might find it if you search for "Stephen Hawking". I'm not sure who "Stephen Hawkins" is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawkins

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CORed, I am somehow unable to get that man's name correct. Senility is definitely setting in. Thanks.

Now if you could find the full video I want.... I found the preview, here

http://www.pbs.org/genius-by-stephen...des/episode-6/

EDIT - I found it. To watch it requires a PBS login, which I do not have.
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CORed, I am somehow unable to get that man's name correct. Senility is definitely setting in. Thanks.

Now if you could find the full video I want.... I found the preview, here

http://www.pbs.org/genius-by-stephen...des/episode-6/

EDIT - I found it. To watch it requires a PBS login, which I do not have.
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TBD, I completely missed your post!!

Thank you very much.
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TBD, I completely missed your post!!

Thank you very much.
No problem! I thought maybe I had screwed something up.
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The laser over the lake test requires that the laser be set so that it not shine at an angle higher than determined by the local level. This is where the flattard could claim a source of error.

The laser could be aimed a wee bit below level and all would be OK. For then, as the boat travels away, initially the spot will be seen to get lower, then reach a lowest point at some distance, thereafter rising with increasing distance.

About the stars. The fact that they always retain the same angular relationships (in both separation and positional disposition) proves they cannot lie on a plane sliding by itself very the Earth. Moreover, they wheel about at a constant angular velocity, and trace paths which are always parallel, exhibiting no perspective effects that would result from linear motion.

Over the course of just one night's observing, and particularly nearer to the equator, a good portion of the entire celestial sphere is presented, as stars set and rise in a continuous and unvarying procession. Indeed the appearance, so easily divined that it was the basis of the model of the universe for millennia, is that of a spherical surface with the Earth at the center.
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The laser over the lake test requires that the laser be set so that it not shine at an angle higher than determined by the local level. This is where the flattard could claim a source of error.
The whole flat earth claim is silly on it's face. What's stopping them from finding the "edge". Answer that and I'll pay attention.
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The video that followed the one I was looking for showed what Lurch suggested -- an adjustment of the angle so that it was not level, with an explanation that left me totally confused about the necessity for this adjustment -- other than that it would produce "evidence" of a flat earth.


Flat Earth | Laser Test Proves The Flat Earth - Part 2 - YouTube
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The whole flat earth claim is silly on it's face. What's stopping them from finding the "edge". Answer that and I'll pay attention.
"Them".

Apparently "they" have the edge patrolled by navies, the military, etc. that prevent anyone from exploring and documenting the existence of the edge of the earth
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"Them".

Apparently "they" have the edge patrolled by navies, the military, etc. that prevent anyone from exploring and documenting the existence of the edge of the earth
Let's see, assuming that the edge in the flattard "model" is the same distance from the north pole as the south pole is in the real world, the circumference of the flat earth is in the neighborhood of 38,000 miles. It seems it would take a pretty large number of people to guard it. Where do they live? How do they get food and supplies there. Has anybody ever talked to one of these people?

Of course, if flattards could handle this sort of simple math and logic, they wouldn't be flattards.

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Let's see, assuming that the edge in the flattard "model" is the same distance from the north pole as the south pole is in the real world, the circumference of the flat earth is in the neighborhood of 38,000 miles. It seems it would take a pretty large number of people to guard it. Where do they live? How do they get food and supplies there. Has anybody ever talked to one of these people?

Of course, if flattards could handle this sort of simple math and logic, they wouldn't be flattards.
It's a disk, centered around the north pole. The outer edge is what we think of as Antarctica, which is stretched out much further than we believe it to be. The mountains that form the edge of the trans-Antarctic plateau form the actual edge of the disk - an enormous ice-wall. It does not need to be guarded because the sea-ice makes Antarctica difficult to get to anyway. Those few people who claim to have been to interior Antarctica were lying or mistaken.

Also, Finland is an urban legend, and I have a bridge I can sell to anyone who believes me.

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Here's where a flattard can apply some simple reasoning to see how it is that their model which has a constant-altitude Sun circling about overhead falls 'flat'. He he.

They acknowledge that on the equinoxes the Sun is directly overhead at the equator. If the Sun wheels about as they suggest, during the morning the Sun would approach in an arc from a direction north of east, pass precisely overhead, and in the afternoon recede in a curve north of west.

This follows because the Sun tracks the equator, which in their model is a circle centered on the north pole. For the six hours before and the six hours after local noon, the Sun travels 90 degrees about its course, totaling 180 degrees during the 12 hours of daylight. A glance at their Earth model clearly shows that at the moments of the Sun first appearing and 12 hours later disappearing, its azimuth is significantly northward of a local E-W axis.

But as anyone living on the equator can easily verify, on the equinoxes the Sun rises exactly in the east, not some tens of degrees N of east, and sets exactly in the west.

Moreover, unlike the perspective acceleration the Sun would exhibit if traveling tangentially at a fixed height and speed during the day, from sunrise through to sunset it moves across the sky at a constant 15 degrees/hour. And this same angular rate is seen *everywhere* on Earth, during all times the Sun is visible.

In their model the simplest geometry would reveal that the *angular* rate of travel of the Sun *must* vary simply because the lines of sight have the distance between Sun and observer varying. Just as we see an airliner at altitude when low in the sky has a small angular rate, becoming maximal when the line of sight distance is at minimum when the ground track is nearest the observer.
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It's odd that someone from the Southern Hemisphere would be a believer in a Flat Earth. I'm not saying that the Northern Hemisphere has a monopoly on morons, but the southern hemisphere causes many problems for flat earthers. For example: If you're in the northern hemisphere and look at Polaris at night, the stars will rotate counter-clockwise around it. If you're in the southern hemisphere and look at the southern stars, they'll rotate clockwise around the southern polar stars. If you use what many of them consider to be a model of the flat earth (resembling the UN flag)and someone stands in Australia, Southern Africa and South America. Since there is no south pole, if you look south at night you should see different night sky from each place.
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It's odd that someone from the Southern Hemisphere would be a believer in a Flat Earth. I'm not saying that the Northern Hemisphere has a monopoly on morons, but the southern hemisphere causes many problems for flat earthers. For example: If you're in the northern hemisphere and look at Polaris at night, the stars will rotate counter-clockwise around it. If you're in the southern hemisphere and look at the southern stars, they'll rotate clockwise around the southern polar stars. If you use what many of them consider to be a model of the flat earth (resembling the UN flag)and someone stands in Australia, Southern Africa and South America. Since there is no south pole, if you look south at night you should see different night sky from each place.
It get crazier than that.

Currently it is summer here so is I was to go out side and look up (assuming it's not cloudy) then I would see an upside down Orion dominating the heavens. I also see the Southern Cross etc. During the Winter when I look up I do not see Orion, instead I see Scorpius, but I still see the Southern Cross. This makes little sense for the Flat Earth, but it gets worse. See if I get a friend to use a Radio Telescope in South Africa, then while I am able to see Orion here at Night, they will see Scorpius during the day, and in winter when I see Scorpius at night, they see Orion at the same time during the day, but regardless of which is visible, both of us see the Southern Cross. Impossible on a Flat Earth.
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I have a part time hobby of laughing at and commenting on flat earth videos on you tube. Some are by scammers who just Provide feed to nut jobs for income. Some are just God magic fans who are forced to believe in a flat earth because they believe god says so and others are just conspiracy theorists. It’s a funny thing about conspiracy theorist that they seem to require themselves to accept all conspiracy theories if they believe any of them.

The flat earthers use the term “perspective” to justify many obvious problems with their silly model where the sun and moon circle around above a flat earth. They just make crapup and call it perspective.
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How come so many of those folks between the equator circle and the Ice Wall can't even SEE Polaris. Ever?
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It get crazier than that.

Currently it is summer here so is I was to go out side and look up (assuming it's not cloudy) then I would see an upside down Orion dominating the heavens. I also see the Southern Cross etc. During the Winter when I look up I do not see Orion, instead I see Scorpius, but I still see the Southern Cross. This makes little sense for the Flat Earth, but it gets worse. See if I get a friend to use a Radio Telescope in South Africa, then while I am able to see Orion here at Night, they will see Scorpius during the day, and in winter when I see Scorpius at night, they see Orion at the same time during the day, but regardless of which is visible, both of us see the Southern Cross. Impossible on a Flat Earth.
Qantas flies non-stop from Sydney to Johannesburg. Using their UN model, the flight would need to go across Asia and exceed the range of a 747, plus it would take several hours longer.
It's also hard to see how they can explain measuring longitude in the Southern Hemisphere, using the old system of a clock/watch.
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:06 PM   #29
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How come so many of those folks between the equator circle and the Ice Wall can't even SEE Polaris. Ever?

I assume the magical "perspective" makes it disappear like when the Sun or Moon set.
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Old 12th January 2018, 05:35 PM   #30
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I have a part time hobby of laughing at and commenting on flat earth videos on you tube. Some are by scammers who just Provide feed to nut jobs for income. Some are just God magic fans who are forced to believe in a flat earth because they believe god says so and others are just conspiracy theorists. It’s a funny thing about conspiracy theorist that they seem to require themselves to accept all conspiracy theories if they believe any of them.

The flat earthers use the term “perspective” to justify many obvious problems with their silly model where the sun and moon circle around above a flat earth. They just make crapup and call it perspective.
Many of the flat earthers either block/hide comments from particular people or have their comments set to be approved before they're shown publicly, your comments still show up to you as if they're there even though the channel owner has deleted/hidden or not approved them so they don't show up for anyone else.
You can find out by logging out of YouTube and checking to see if your comment shows up. Obviously, if your comment gets a thumb up or down or a reply then it's visible though it may be hidden after, in which case it will still be visible to you and the person who replied.
YouTube comment section really is a mess that flat earthers take full advantage of.
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Old 20th January 2018, 07:38 AM   #31
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The Los Angeles Times on Monday January 15, published a story about a Flat Earth group in Golden Colorado.

It's behind a paywall but may be accessible if it's the first time you have visited the site. According to the article, the Independent Investigations Group plans a laser-based "test" (I would say "demonstration") using a laser, like the Steven Hawking did in the video linked in post #9.


http://beta.latimes.com/nation/la-na-colorado-flat-earth-20180115-story.html
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Old 21st January 2018, 12:18 AM   #32
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The flattards need to resolve this discrepancy.

Take the Sun on the winter solstice. We know that the region between latitude -66.5 degrees and the south pole (the rim of the disk to that lot) has the sun shining all day long. And so in their model, with the Sun hovering some not great distance above the disk, the sunlit region of the disk extends 360 degrees all the way around the rim, *surrounding* the region of night. On their azimuthal equidistant projection, the daylight region resembles a ring with a huge stone.

Picture it this way. Suppose it's noon at zero longitude. For those on longitude 180 it's midnight. Now, a person on longitude 180 and near the south pole would see the midnight sun toward the south, *beyond the rim of the world!* In the flattard model, from the south polar region the sun is supposed to be always seen toward the general northward direction, *never* south of an E-W line.

But folks who've landed on the shores of Antarctica most decidedly have observed the sun tracking across the sky through the same 360 degrees in azimuth in the same circular way as seen at the corresponding Arctic latitude in the N hemisphere summer.

The fact of the exact mirroring of the Sun's track across the sky in southern summer as seen in northern summer puts the lie to the flat Earth model. It would require the most convoluted contortions to try to reconcile these incongruities.
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You don't really have to come up with ideas how to disprove flat Earth theory. Mainly because they are not really interested in discussion. There is overwhelming amount of evidence the Earth is round, which they already ignore.
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Old 21st January 2018, 03:01 PM   #34
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You don't really have to come up with ideas how to disprove flat Earth theory. Mainly because they are not really interested in discussion. There is overwhelming amount of evidence the Earth is round, which they already ignore.
Yep, we're all just part of the great con-sphere-acy, of course.
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Does anyone happen to know the flat Earth "reason" for why I can't see the Crux from here in Milwaukee, but I could when I was in Sydney? Just wondering if there is one.
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I always wonder about the motive behind promoting "the lie of a global Earth?" How does anyone profit from it?

I still laugh at the "NASA" conspiracy, as though people 3000 years ago didn't realize the spherical nature of the world.
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I always wonder about the motive behind promoting "the lie of a global Earth?" How does anyone profit from it?

I still laugh at the "NASA" conspiracy, as though people 3000 years ago didn't realize the spherical nature of the world.
It's something to do with a vested interest in Satanism and evolution.
I asked someone on FB, and that's about all the sense I could get from the shrill and garbled replies.
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Flattards can engage in some mighty convoluted reasoning to try to account for discrepancies in their model. One YT vid I saw recently showed an 'experiment' by someone to purportedly reveal how the reversed star rotation about the S celestial pole might come about. He placed a rotating star map over his flat Earth model, set a GoPro camera near the edge of his Earth disk looking upward, and set up two mirrors so as to get the reflected image of the star disk adjacent to the direct view of the star disk in the camera's FOV. Somewhat clever, to the grasping at straws set of fellow flattards, but there numerous problems, needless to say.

Where lie these stars which are *not* mirrored reflections of the northern stars?

How to contrive in nature such reflections? And so as to not be distorted (requiring at least near to flat surfaces)?

And others...

Really, conspiracists seem to be blind to the complicated, convoluted constructs they must devise in order to discount the solution borne out by myriad observations. Their contrarian impulse to fly in the face of the sublime elegance of truth is mind-boggling.
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It's something to do with a vested interest in Satanism and evolution.
I asked someone on FB, and that's about all the sense I could get from the shrill and garbled replies.
But then don't ask why the ancient Greeks, who knew neither satanism nor the theory of evolution, started it
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But then don't ask why the ancient Greeks, who knew neither satanism nor the theory of evolution, started it
I think at that point it defaults to the Illuminati.
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