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Old 12th January 2018, 03:18 PM   #2881
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Maybe so but it doesn't even matter. I dislike Trump intensely, mainly because he's a shallow, vacant moron, but I wouldn't presume that my personal tastes should have any impact on the relationship between the UK and the US. Since when has international relations been dictated by the mob, and a self-serving, virtue-signalling mob at that?
Sometimes the mob as you call them are right, and this is one of them. Its not possible to have normal relations with the Trump administration because they're not normal.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:19 PM   #2882
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Originally Posted by ohms View Post
The US embassy has purportedly issued a statement re the new embassy

https://twitter.com/carldinnen/statu...05669745176576

I couldn't find the source but, if genuine, it appears to refute most of what Trump said.
Waste of time refuting anything Trump says.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:19 PM   #2883
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Khan didn't say Trump wasn't welcome in the UK, he said he wasn't welcome in London. Seems that there's nothing in his statement that indicates he's unaware that London isn't the entirety of the UK.
That's Khan's opinion, and his opinion is worth exactly that of every other British citizen. It's just sad that someone in his position is jumping on the bandwagon and personalising something that should have zero to do with personality and everything to do with high level international relations. It's pathetic, it's childish, it's egotistical nonsense.. and what does that description remind you of? You got it, Trump himself.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:21 PM   #2884
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It's not Trump, it's the office of US president. Big difference. We can't rescind relations with a country on the basis that its president is a twat...
Who said that they would be 'rescinding relations'. Trump may not visit, but the 2 countries will still continue trading with each other, have embassies in each other's countries, have meetings between various diplomats.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:29 PM   #2885
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Who said that they would be 'rescinding relations'. Trump may not visit, but the 2 countries will still continue trading with each other, have embassies in each other's countries, have meetings between various diplomats.
It's all part of the same game. You can't tell the president of a country they're not welcome on your soil without repurcussions, and with Trump you can imagine those repercussions could be significant. Trump is an egotist who functions at the level of an infant, so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.

As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:29 PM   #2886
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
That's Khan's opinion, and his opinion is worth exactly that of every other British citizen. It's just sad that someone in his position is jumping on the bandwagon and personalising something that should have zero to do with personality and everything to do with high level international relations. It's pathetic, it's childish, it's egotistical nonsense.. and what does that description remind you of? You got it, Trump himself.
Either his opinion is worth exactly that of every other British citizen, or it's relevant to high level international relations.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:31 PM   #2887
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
Maybe so but it doesn't even matter. I dislike Trump intensely, mainly because he's a shallow, vacant moron, but I wouldn't presume that my personal tastes should have any impact on the relationship between the UK and the US. Since when has international relations been dictated by the mob, and a self-serving, virtue-signalling mob at that?
Are you playing some game of alt-right buzzword bingo? And the answer to your question is every day since Trump was elected. His every action in terms of foreign relations has been dictated by the desire to gain the approval of the 'deplorables' who make up Trump's base.

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As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.
Utter nonsense, if anyone is a 'whiny populist bitch' it would be Trump. Respect is earned and what has Trump done to deserve respect? if anyone has shown disprespect to the office of the President of the United States its the current incumbent.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:33 PM   #2888
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Either his opinion is worth exactly that of every other British citizen, or it's relevant to high level international relations.
I'm suggesting that it is his opinion, and as such no more valid than anybody else's. Obvious as Mayor of London he has leverage.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:33 PM   #2889
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John McCain is the latest Republican to speak out about Trump's comment
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:36 PM   #2890
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Are you playing some game of alt-right buzzword bingo? And the answer to your question is every day since Trump was elected. His every action in terms of foreign relations has been dictated by the desire to gain the approval of the 'deplorables' who make up Trump's base.
Eh? I'm talking about demonstrations in the UK, not elections in the US (with 'the mob', I guess, being the voters you disagree with, but that's another story I have no interest in pursuing). I know you lot sometimes forget there is land beyond your shores, but do try to keep up.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:44 PM   #2891
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Let me guess: he's outraged.

And then he's going to vote for the next Trump nominee and legislation
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:46 PM   #2892
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If those were the types of countries he was talking about (with czars or war, or dictatorship) that would be one thing. It seems the big thing the ones he was talking about (other than being filled with black people) is they are poorer and less developed. Well, the US is poorer and less developed than 50 years in the future
Does that make every country a hole?
Come on Bob: my grandparents weren't digging potatoes for a hobby . The areas in Eastern Europe from which they fled were dirt poor and and undeveloped. They came to the USA for economic opportunity, as did (and do) the bulk of immigrants to the USA. Sure they also suffered religious oppression (I don't think they had the spare time to even think of politics) but they primarily wanted better food and housing for themselves and they wanted their children to not have to dig potatoes like they did. My grandparents were exactly the kind of people that Trump is inveighing against today, except they spoke Yiddish instead of Spanish or Arabic or Swahili or Yoruba.
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:50 PM   #2893
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I'm suggesting that it is his opinion, and as such no more valid than anybody else's. Obvious as Mayor of London he has leverage.
You don't believe the Mayor of London has any means by which he can gather data on what people who live in London think? I mean, we know from polling data that Khan is one of the most popular politicians in the country - even (especially?) after he's called out Trump for erroneous and tactless statements about London terrorist attacks - and we know from polling data that a plurality of British people don't think Trump should be allowed to visit the UK. So what his opinions are more popular than Trump's in the UK, and from what data is publicly available we know that what he's saying agrees with what the plurality of people in Britain think. Given the ethnic make-up of London (and the disruption it would cause in London) it seems reasonable to assume that a greater number of Londoners than the general population would be opposed to Trump visiting, and given that Khan is the Mayor of London it seems reasonable that he would have access to more data than the general public.

So on what basis do you claim that his opinion is just the same as everybody else's? And even if it is, given that it's in line with that of a plurality of the UK and that part of his job is literally to speak on behalf of Londoners, on what basis are you claiming that he can't speak on behalf of Londoners on this matter?
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Old 12th January 2018, 03:51 PM   #2894
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If those were the types of countries he was talking about (with czars or war, or dictatorship) that would be one thing. It seems the big thing the ones he was talking about (other than being filled with black people) is they are poorer and less developed. Well, the US is poorer and less developed than 50 years in the future
Does that make every country a hole?
And also worth noting: the geographic regions that disproportionately voted for Trump are themselves relatively underdeveloped and poor. Does he think his fans live in ********* too?
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:05 PM   #2895
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Haiti is a ****hole country.

He could have asked why we seem to bring in so many people from poor countries instead, which is a question many Americans ask. He said ****hole instead (allegedly), which again, is exactly the way many Americans phrase it. I'm sure nobody here has ever said that though, of course.

I agree with his general sentiment - immigration is out of control. We bring in too many people we can't afford to take care of. I have said it in exactly the same way. ****hole countries. Doesn't make someone a racist. If you think it does well too bad for you. Russia is a ****hole country, I think.

I love some of the media hysteria over this: "If Trump said this then he is absolutely a racist!" bla bla bla. Same ol' same ol'. The more people bitch the more - nothing. It hasn't helped one bit. It really hasn't, has it?

Pick and choose your outrage and maybe I'll listen, but it's just white noise these days (no pun). We aren't always defending Trump - a lot of the time we are just sick of hysterical ninnies hogging all the news sites.
Let's not focus on the racisim, the man is entitled to his opinion.

Look at what he said "why do we take in people from poor areas of the world? ".

This is just dripping idiocy, it's like asking why there are only poor people at the food bank. Chances are most *********** people leave their country looking for a better life. De facto, this means if you allow immigration the people immigrating are generally going to be from places that suck compared to your country. It's not a question that requires deep thought,it's the kind of question a drunk tenth grader would ask, thinking its edgy.

Maybe it shows he is racist, maybe not. But what it does show is the man is both a moron and rather mean spirited, not qualities that I generally admire.
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:13 PM   #2896
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New reports that Trump paid off a porn star to keep quiet about an "affair:"
https://nypost.com/2018/01/12/trump-...arital-affair/
http://www.newsweek.com/who-stormy-d...0k-keep-780251
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:20 PM   #2897
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In what way and in what world are they NOT ******** countries?
In what way and in what wield does a grown *********** man need to be explained the concept of immigration? He can be racist all he wants, that is his right. But seriously this knob literally had no understanding of immigration based on this comment.

It would be like asking why only your poor friends need to borrow food. It's just, dumb. There is a whole other level of sadness if we were to get into the benefits of this type of immigration and why it is done, but I'm not going to go there.

The man is a *********** toadstool, or maybe just a regular stool,.
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Let me guess: he's outraged.

And then he's going to vote for the next Trump nominee and legislation
It's the same unenviable situation that someone like Jeff Flake finds himself in. What do you do when a political leader you consider to be personally loathsome keeps promoting policies you agree with? Should you suddenly start backing what you think are really lousy policies just because some scumbag stole a bunch of the good ideas?
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:22 PM   #2899
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And also worth noting: the geographic regions that disproportionately voted for Trump are themselves relatively underdeveloped and poor. Does he think his fans live in ********* too?
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:32 PM   #2900
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It's all part of the same game. You can't tell the president of a country they're not welcome on your soil without repurcussions, and with Trump you can imagine those repercussions could be significant. Trump is an egotist who functions at the level of an infant, so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.

As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:33 PM   #2901
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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
-President Lyndon B. Johnson
Yep. Post 1808 when the importation of slaves ended, the demand for labour was partly satisfied with European immigration of indentured servants. Very few indentured servants received the land they were promised at the end of their commitment. Most became sharecroppers.

Plantation owners saw a danger brewing: unsatisfied labourers could organize.

Solution: pitch them against one another, and poor whites will direct their hostility to black slaves instead of toward the plantation owners who concentrate wealth and power.
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Old 12th January 2018, 04:55 PM   #2902
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Come on Bob: my grandparents weren't digging potatoes for a hobby . The areas in Eastern Europe from which they fled were dirt poor and and undeveloped. They came to the USA for economic opportunity, as did (and do) the bulk of immigrants to the USA. Sure they also suffered religious oppression (I don't think they had the spare time to even think of politics) but they primarily wanted better food and housing for themselves and they wanted their children to not have to dig potatoes like they did. My grandparents were exactly the kind of people that Trump is inveighing against today, except they spoke Yiddish instead of Spanish or Arabic or Swahili or Yoruba.
I thought that is what I said.
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It's all part of the same game. You can't tell the president of a country they're not welcome on your soil without repurcussions, and with Trump you can imagine those repercussions could be significant. Trump is an egotist who functions at the level of an infant, so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.

As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.
And you think Trump would take any notice of a left wing Brown person form a foreign country?

treat him like he treats others tell him to go back to his own ******** country. London doesn't want or need him.
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As someone said In a week Trump will do/say something that'll make today's "********" comment seem quant. Does anyone remember "Mexicans are rapists," "bleeding out of her whatever" and "good people on both sides"? Happy 11th day of 2018, everyone!
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It's all part of the same game. You can't tell the president of a country they're not welcome on your soil without repurcussions, and with Trump you can imagine those repercussions could be significant. Trump is an egotist who functions at the level of an infant, so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.

As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.
Did you stop to think maybe he's concerned with the safety of the residents of London?
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It's not Trump, it's the office of US president.
No,it's Trump.
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Big difference.
One that eludes Trump.

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We can't rescind relations with a country on the basis that its president is a twat ...
No-one's suggesting that we do so. What is being suggested, with some credibility, is that Trump might change US relations with Britain if he feels personally slighted.

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... then become best friends when a new president is elected.
That would depend on the new President, who may seek to do to Trump's "achievements" what he seems to be driven to do to Obama's.

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Which you won't get from preening popinjays such as Trump and Boris Johnson.

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Johnson is quite right and Khan is parochial, whiny little dick.
Sadiq Khan has substance : Trump and Johnson are the jumped-up parochials.

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Trump behaves like a baby, we all know that, but that's no reason for the UK to follow suit.
Theresa May's response to Trump's insulting and condescending tweet at her was mature, so it's unlikely the UK will.
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Two news stories about the POTUS, both terrible and still no demands for his removal.

He is vindictive by targeting only Obama over the embassy and racist with his attitudes to certain countries.

Why is he still the POTUS? Is there no vote of confidence? No British PM would survive either of these stories, let alone both, let alone all the crap Trump has been up to.
I want Trump out of there worse then you do, but there is no such thing as a vote of confidence in the US. The only way to remove a sitting president is impeachment and conviction, and that is is totally different thing then a vote of confidence.
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You don't believe the Mayor of London has any means by which he can gather data on what people who live in London think? I mean, we know from polling data that Khan is one of the most popular politicians in the country - even (especially?) after he's called out Trump for erroneous and tactless statements about London terrorist attacks - and we know from polling data that a plurality of British people don't think Trump should be allowed to visit the UK. So what his opinions are more popular than Trump's in the UK, and from what data is publicly available we know that what he's saying agrees with what the plurality of people in Britain think.
You seem very eager for UK foreign and domestic policy to be decided by poll. I gather, therefore, that you'd also advocate substantially reduced immigration, and that you'd support profiling against Muslims and a Muslim immigration ban, and that you're fully behind BREXIT. Maybe I'm wrong, and I should you applaud your view that the will of the people must be respected despite it conflicting with your own attitudes, but something tells me the will of the people only has value if you agree with it.

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Given the ethnic make-up of London (and the disruption it would cause in London) it seems reasonable to assume that a greater number of Londoners than the general population would be opposed to Trump visiting, and given that Khan is the Mayor of London it seems reasonable that he would have access to more data than the general public.
I'm sick of hearing about London and Londoners and how the entire United Kingdom and the 88% of the population who don't live in London must respect Londoners' imagined right not to be offended.

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So on what basis do you claim that his opinion is just the same as everybody else's? And even if it is, given that it's in line with that of a plurality of the UK and that part of his job is literally to speak on behalf of Londoners, on what basis are you claiming that he can't speak on behalf of Londoners on this matter?
Since when did I say he can't speak? I'll leave the fascist repression of free speech to those who advocate violent protest against a democratically elected head of state.

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And you think Trump would take any notice of a left wing Brown person form a foreign country?

treat him like he treats others tell him to go back to his own ******** country. London doesn't want or need him.
Yes, that's the best idea, we should all behave like Trump. Problem solved.

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Did you stop to think maybe he's concerned with the safety of the residents of London?
I must have missed the news that Trump is coming here to kill the people of London. Oh, you mean the threat of violence from Londoners themselves? Well, I suggest that the best way to ensure the safety of Londoners is to enforce the law in London and arrest those fascists who use violence to get their own way rather than blame the violence on the person against whom it is targeted.
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:04 PM   #2909
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
It's all part of the same game. You can't tell the president of a country they're not welcome on your soil without repurcussions, and with Trump you can imagine those repercussions could be significant. Trump is an egotist who functions at the level of an infant, so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.
I do believe you are misunderestimating just how much power Trump has and who actually stands to lose.

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As for Khan, here's what I would do in his position. Instead of whinging and scoring Twitter points I'd meet with Trump when he came over, treat him respectfully, then raise my concerns about his personal behaviour face to face, in private, like a man, like a real politician, not a whiny little populist bitch.

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Old 12th January 2018, 06:06 PM   #2910
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Let me guess: he's outraged.

And then he's going to vote for the next Trump nominee and legislation
Highly likely prediction.
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:24 PM   #2911
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Did you stop to think maybe he's concerned with the safety of the residents of London?


Trump doesn’t give a **** about anyone but Trump.
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:33 PM   #2912
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Originally Posted by blutoski View Post
Yep. Post 1808 when the importation of slaves ended, the demand for labour was partly satisfied with European immigration of indentured servants. Very few indentured servants received the land they were promised at the end of their commitment. Most became sharecroppers.

Plantation owners saw a danger brewing: unsatisfied labourers could organize.

Solution: pitch them against one another, and poor whites will direct their hostility to black slaves instead of toward the plantation owners who concentrate wealth and power.
And as Adam Serwer wrote in the Atlantic, this is still the case:

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Trump’s support among whites decreases the higher you go on the scales of income and education. But the controlling factor seems to be not economic distress but an inclination to see nonwhites as the cause of economic problems. The poorest voters were somewhat less likely to vote for Trump than those a rung or two above them on the economic ladder. The highest-income voters actually supported Trump less than they did Mitt Romney, who in 2012 won 54 percent of voters making more than $100,000—several points more than Trump secured, although he still fared better than Clinton. It was among voters in the middle, those whose economic circumstances were precarious but not bleak, where the benefits of Du Bois’s psychic wage appeared most in danger of being devalued, and where Trump’s message resonated most strongly. They surged toward the Republican column.


Yet when social scientists control for white voters’ racial attitudes—that is, whether those voters hold “racially resentful” views about blacks and immigrants—even the educational divide disappears. In other words, the relevant factor in support for Trump among white voters was not education, or even income, but the ideological frame with which they understood their challenges and misfortunes. It is also why voters of color—who suffered a genuine economic calamity in the decade before Trump’s election—were almost entirely immune to those same appeals.
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:35 PM   #2913
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so if he takes offence at any perceived slight it could mean the UK misses out on lucrative trade deals.
What 'lucrative trade deals'? Trump has no intention of offering anyone anywhere a dewal that is anything other than 'lucrative' in his own eyes which means that if he doesn't get what he wants he will cheat and steal just like he has done all his business life.
Anything trump says or offers is worthless, he lies and lies and can't be trusted by anyone.
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:48 PM   #2914
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Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat View Post
Trump doesn’t give a **** about anyone but Trump.
I'm talking about Kahn
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Old 12th January 2018, 06:58 PM   #2915
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
What 'lucrative trade deals'? Trump has no intention of offering anyone anywhere a dewal that is anything other than 'lucrative' in his own eyes which means that if he doesn't get what he wants he will cheat and steal just like he has done all his business life.
Anything trump says or offers is worthless, he lies and lies and can't be trusted by anyone.
Quite so. Trump was not wrong when he claimed "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." I just watched some Trump supporters interviewed in Alabama and they still support him no matter what he says or does or how many times he lies. It's always amazed, but not surprised, me how blind people can be when it comes to things they just don't want to see.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:16 PM   #2916
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Keith Boykin asks

When did you know Trump was racist?

1. Housing discrimination
2. Central Park 5
3. Birtherism
4. Called Mexicans drug dealers
5. Ban on Muslims
6. Pardoned Joe Arpaio
7. Nazis are “very fine people”
8. Endorsed slave-supporter Roy Moore
9. Called black countries “*********”
His calling an American judge "a Mexican" who might not give him a fair hearing was part of it for me. I didn't know how much more there was to come.

And I'm pretty generous about not calling people "racist" if their words and behavior can be described as merely bigoted.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:24 PM   #2917
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
His calling an American judge "a Mexican" who might not give him a fair hearing was part of it for me. I didn't know how much more there was to come.

And I'm pretty generous about not calling people "racist" if their words and behavior can be described as merely bigoted.
I don't know what the WH has planned to mark MLK day, but I would hope that people associated with MLK's family and the civil rights movement have a plan to humiliate the president on the world stage. His bigoted comments right before MLK's national holiday call for nothing less.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:34 PM   #2918
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After an examination today the White House doctor says that Trump's physical health is excellent.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:42 PM   #2919
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
You seem very eager for UK foreign and domestic policy to be decided by poll. I gather, therefore, that you'd also advocate substantially reduced immigration, and that you'd support profiling against Muslims and a Muslim immigration ban, and that you're fully behind BREXIT. Maybe I'm wrong, and I should you applaud your view that the will of the people must be respected despite it conflicting with your own attitudes, but something tells me the will of the people only has value if you agree with it.



I'm sick of hearing about London and Londoners and how the entire United Kingdom and the 88% of the population who don't live in London must respect Londoners' imagined right not to be offended.



Since when did I say he can't speak? I'll leave the fascist repression of free speech to those who advocate violent protest against a democratically elected head of state.



Yes, that's the best idea, we should all behave like Trump. Problem solved.



I must have missed the news that Trump is coming here to kill the people of London. Oh, you mean the threat of violence from Londoners themselves? Well, I suggest that the best way to ensure the safety of Londoners is to enforce the law in London and arrest those fascists who use violence to get their own way rather than blame the violence on the person against whom it is targeted.
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Old 12th January 2018, 07:47 PM   #2920
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After an examination today the White House doctor says that Trump's physical health is excellent.
Compared to what?
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