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Old 20th August 2022, 06:57 PM   #1
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Why do we ignore the moon (NASA wise)?

I guess a short answer could be "well it's just a rock and we probably know about all there is to know about it." I get that but it seems to me we have better and more in-depth pictures of the Mars landscape than the Moon, which is far closer and far easier and cheaper to do. At the least it seems odd to me that of our numerous probes we've sent to wherever over the years that at least one or two didn't, on the way, get some newer and better pics of the Moon... especially, why wouldn't we by now have captured a nice closeup pic of our earlier landing sites, the flag, etc? I would think that would resonate with people (and perhaps shut up the "Moon landing is a hoax" people once and for all).
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I believe you are looking for Artemis, Apollo’s sister.


https://www.nasa.gov/specials/artemis/
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Old 20th August 2022, 09:23 PM   #3
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Wow thanks, was not aware of this
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Old 20th August 2022, 09:46 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
I guess a short answer could be "well it's just a rock and we probably know
about all there is to know about it." I get that but it seems to me we have
better and more in-depth pictures of the Mars landscape than the Moon,
which is far closer and far easier and cheaper to do.

At the least it seems odd to me that of our numerous probes we've sent
to wherever over the years that at least one or two didn't, on the way,
get some newer and better pics of the Moon... especially, why wouldn't
we by now have captured a nice closeup pic of our earlier landing sites,
the flag, etc?

I would think that would resonate with people (and perhaps shut up the
"Moon landing is a hoax" people once and for all).

If we did aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the moon landing sites,
they'd claim the photo had been faked on a computer.

I wonder...

Do people who enjoy blurry UFO photos claim the moon landing were faked?
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Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. But I started a thread on Artemis a few years ago.

Anyone who follows NASA news should be aware of this mission. It's like the first time we are going back to the moon in over 50 years.

We are now at a point where nobody younger than about 60 years old remembers the moon landings, from living through them. You've probably read books about it or seen movies about it, but you didn't see it, or were too young to remember it, because the last manned moon landing happened in 1972.
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And ESA have apparently arranged for an English astronaut to go on the next mission...
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. But I started a thread on Artemis a few years ago.

Anyone who follows NASA news should be aware of this mission. It's like the first time we are going back to the moon in over 50 years.

We are now at a point where nobody younger than about 60 years old remembers the moon landings, from living through them. You've probably read books about it or seen movies about it, but you didn't see it, or were too young to remember it, because the last manned moon landing happened in 1972.
Or for some people!

This is a real issue. I find it very surprising that we haven't been able to do something that was supposedly done sixty years ago. Is there any other technical feat that could be done sixty years ago that we cannot do (relatively) easily now?

That is not to say that i believe the Apollo landings were a hoax, but that one can understand why people might think that it was.

For my part, the moon is quite boring, Mars is far more interesting, but the really exciting mission would be establishing a manned mission to jupiter with an ability to intensively study Jupiter and its moons with retrieval missions.
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And there is this ....

LRO Sees Apollo Landing Sites

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/L...ollosites.html
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Originally Posted by bigred View Post
Wow thanks, was not aware of this
You are most welcome.

(I’m acting all smug, but I just heard it on the radio a few days ago.)
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
This is a real issue. I find it very surprising that we haven't been able to do something that was supposedly done sixty years ago. Is there any other technical feat that could be done sixty years ago that we cannot do (relatively) easily now?
It mostly came down to money.

NASA's budget during the Apollo years was about 1.5 to 4.5% of the US budget. After Apollo, it dropped to about one half of one percent. After Apollo, NASA developed the Space Shuttle, built the International Space Station, and delivered satellites and sent probes to explore more of the universe.

Now, they have tbe technology and infrastructure to return people to the Moon within their limited budget.
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Originally Posted by Planigale View Post
Is there any other technical feat that could be done sixty years ago that we cannot do (relatively) easily now?
Making nuclear power plants. Interstate highways. The Empire State Building was built in a year; now 100+-story buildings take years to build.
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Wow thanks, was not aware of this
Congratulations! You are one of today's lucky 10,000.

Yeah, Artemis is huge. In many ways. The Space Launch System itself is a truly gargantuan rocket, much bigger than anything else anybody has ever launched.

Artemis 1 is scheduled for launch, not counting the inevitable delays, next week. It's going to go to the moon, do a few orbits, then come back. The first crewed flight will be Artemis 2 in May 2024. The first people to walk on the moon since 1972, including the first woman and the first person of colour, should be underway in 2025.

Oh yes, prospects for the moon are definitely looking up.
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We need to go back for the poop and check whether any bacteria have survived!
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We ignore the moon at our peril:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=360764
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Making nuclear power plants. Interstate highways. The Empire State Building was built in a year; now 100+-story buildings take years to build.
I'd add decent water and sewage infrastructure, railways and supersonic aircraft to that list.

The limitations aren't technical, they're political and financial.

Leeds has a fine city hall built during the 1930's which is an example of excellent craftspersonship and uses high quality materials. The project was undertaken to provide work and to provide a local civic resource. We could choose to do similar things these days but that kind of project is frowned upon.
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I'd add decent water and sewage infrastructure, railways and supersonic aircraft to that list.

The limitations aren't technical, they're political and financial.

Leeds has a fine city hall built during the 1930's which is an example of excellent craftspersonship and uses high quality materials. The project was undertaken to provide work and to provide a local civic resource. We could choose to do similar things these days but that kind of project is frowned upon.
And how about those Pyramids? 4,500 years old, and never replicated since.

We could make more of them, even bigger ones I'm sure. Yet we don't.
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Leeds has a fine city hall built during the 1930's which is an example of excellent craftspersonship and uses high quality materials. The project was undertaken to provide work and to provide a local civic resource. We could choose to do similar things these days but that kind of project is frowned upon.
Not very good for gigs though:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/3246457.stm
I was in the mosh pit at the time, and it wasn't particularly lively, compared with most I've been in.
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If we did aim the Hubble Space Telescope at the moon landing sites,
they'd claim the photo had been faked on a computer.
True enough. A video would be better, but with tech today you could fake that too. Just make sure no wookies are accidentally included
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Not very good for gigs though:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/3246457.stm
I was in the mosh pit at the time, and it wasn't particularly lively, compared with most I've been in.
Oops, my mistake

I was referring to the Civic Hall, not the Town Hall.

I couldn't imagine concerts being held in the Civic Hall, the biggest conference room held about 100.
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I worked on the program. There was a helluva lot of ground segment work done in addition to SLS and Orion (which itself has already flown during EFT-1*).

EM-1 is a neat mission; it will go pretty far past the Moon and gather data for a couple of weeks.

As already noted, missions like Clementine and LRO have provided truly excellent imagery, including Apollo artifacts. (Hubble could not resolve such artifacts; it’s too far away.)

*EFT-1 launched a basic Orion capsule on a commercial LV, sending it out into the Van Allen belts and gathering environmental and engineering data. It was similar to Apollos 4 and 6.
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This is a real issue. I find it very surprising that we haven't been able to do something that was supposedly done sixty years ago. Is there any other technical feat that could be done sixty years ago that we cannot do (relatively) easily now?
60 years ago? You think too small. We haven't been able to do now what we supposedly did thousands of years ago.
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And how about those Pyramids? 4,500 years old, and never replicated since.

We could make more of them, even bigger ones I'm sure. Yet we don't.
Not really pyramid shaped, but many dams could compare. The Hoover dam has about the same volume as the Gisa pyramid, and the Syncrude Tailings dam is over 250 times that.

But yeah, all a matter of what's useful when.
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Let's not forget the very high resolution coverage supplied by India's two Chandrayaan probes and the very good coverage by China and Japan.

There's a lot of interest in the moon, and a lot of it doesn't involve pretty pictures.

That said, no matter how exciting one thinks the moon is, its very well studied, photographed and explored surface has to compete with the more exciting looking and less well known parts of the universe for limited funding.
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I worked on the program. There was a helluva lot of ground segment work done in addition to SLS and Orion (which itself has already flown during EFT-1*).

EM-1 is a neat mission; it will go pretty far past the Moon and gather data for a couple of weeks.

As already noted, missions like Clementine and LRO have provided truly excellent imagery, including Apollo artifacts. (Hubble could not resolve such artifacts; it’s too far away.)

*EFT-1 launched a basic Orion capsule on a commercial LV, sending it out into the Van Allen belts and gathering environmental and engineering data. It was similar to Apollos 4 and 6.
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I came here to share Scott Manley's video. :-)

Instead, I'll share this amazing photo from China's Chang'e 5-T1 service module:

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I came here to share Scott Manley's video. :-)

Instead, I'll share this amazing photo from China's Chang'e 5-T1 service module:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...1&d=1661547335
Me: "Cracking image."

Flat Earther: "Photoshop!!!!"
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Me: "Cracking image."

Flat Earther: "Photoshop!!!!"
Has to be fake. I mean, the moon is like, 10 times the size of the Earth in that picture. Obvious fake!
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Has to be fake. I mean, the moon is like, 10 times the size of the Earth in that picture. Obvious fake!
Comments I saw on Facebook also noted the lack of stars and the dark side of the moon being illuminated. I am pretty sure, though, that the comments were made in jest. Well, most of them.

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