An Ivermectin Influencer Died. And how can people be so stupid?

[shemp]

An Ivermectin Influencer Died. Now His Followers Are Worried About Their Own ‘Severe’ Symptoms.

I'll provide excerpts, but please read the whole article.

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Danny Lemoi took a daily dose of veterinary-grade ivermectin and told his thousands of followers to give the drug to children. He died of a common side effect of the medication.

Just before 7 am on March 3, Danny Lemoi posted an update in his hugely popular pro-ivermectin Telegram group, Dirt Road Discussions: “HAPPY FRIDAY ALL YOU POISONOUS HORSE PASTE EATING SURVIVORS !!!”

Hours later, Lemoi was dead.

For the last decade, Lemoi had taken a daily dose of veterinary ivermectin, a dewormer designed to be used on large animals like horses and cows. In 2021, as ivermectin became a popular alternative COVID-19 treatment among anti-vaxxers, he launched what became one of the largest Telegram channels dedicated to promoting the use of it, including instructions on how to administer ivermectin to children.

He was taking it since 2012, originally for Lyme disease.

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Lemoi began taking the version of ivermectin designed for animals on a daily basis in 2012, after he was diagnosed with Lyme disease, according to a detailed account of his medical history he gave on a podcast last November. He said then that five months after first taking the drug, he quit all other treatments and believed ivermectin had “regenerated” his heart muscle.

During the pandemic, Ivermectin became hugely popular among anti-vaxxers, many of whom were taking and recommending the veterinary formulation of the drug, rather than the one designed for human use. While ivermectin for humans is used to treat serious illnesses like river blindness, it has repeatedly been shown to be an ineffective treatment for COVID-19.

Admittedly, it has not been made clear what the exact cause of his death was, but administrators of the telegram channel posted this:

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In the Telegram channel, administrators broke the news of his death to his followers. “Though it was obvious that Danny had the biggest heart, it was unbeknownst to him that his heart was quite literally overworking and overgrowing beyond its capacity, nearly doubled in size from what it should have been,” the admins wrote, adding: “We understand that this is going to raise questions for those who were following him.”

However, they then claimed that his death was from "natural causes."

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“Danny was fully convinced that his heart had regenerated after his incident with Lyme disease that almost ended in congestive heart failure,” the admins wrote, before claiming that “a family history of heart disease and chronic stress” were why his heart had ultimately become engorged. “All of his other organs were unremarkable,” the admins wrote. “And this was determined to be a death by unfortunate natural causes.”

The admins of Lemoi’s channel did not respond to VICE News’ questions about where they got their information about his death. Lemoi’s surviving family did not respond to VICE News' request for comment on the cause of his death.

However, some members of this group are having their own side effects.

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But a review of Lemoi’s Telegram channels shows that many of his followers who are taking his dosage recommendations, or “protocols,” for veterinary ivermectin are experiencing numerous known side effects of taking the drug.

“I’m 4 months now and all hell’s breaking loose, all pain has hit my waist down with sciatic, shin splints, restless leg syndrome, tight sore calves & it feels like some pain in the bones,” a member wrote on Friday.

Lemoi explained away the negative side effects of taking veterinary ivermectin by describing them as “herxing,” a real term to describe an adverse response that occurs in people who take antibiotics as a treatment for Lyme disease.

“My wife has been taking ivermectin for 3 months,” a member wrote Friday. “She is being treated for autoimmune hepatitis, thyroid, and vertebrae issues. She has had some serious HERXING. Today she has a migraine, vomiting and severe stomach pain. Does anyone have any ideas how to help, and are these HERXING symptoms?”

And this isn't the stupidest part at all! People are taking this **** as a cure-all for practically anything, and even giving it to children with Cerebral Palsy and Down's Syndrome!!!

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Some members of the group are taking ivermectin not only as a treatment against COVID, but as a cure-all for almost every disease—from cancer and depression, to autism and ovarian cysts—believing that every disease is caused by a parasite that is removed from the body by ivermectin, just as animals are given the drug to treat parasitic worms like tapeworm.

Lemoi also formulated an ivermectin regimen for children, and numerous members of the group reported that they were using it. This week alone one member wrote that she had established another group for “parents of children on the spectrum, cerebral palsy, pans/panda, downs etc.,” who are using the Lemoi’s recommended children’s dosage.

This ******* was pushing horse paste for children! As far as I'm concerned, if you want to be a stupid ******* idiot and kill yourself with horse paste, go right ahead! But anyone who pushes it for children or gives it to them should be jailed for the rest of their life! And anyone who thinks that this **** can cure cerebral palsy or Down's syndrome, well, it's hard to see how anyone that stupid can maintain the motor functions necessary to live!

This guy deserved to die. Actually, he deserved to die in a dumpster fire while choking on a huge bag of horse paste! Good riddance! Hopefully, many more of the idiots pushing this **** will soon follow him!

[The Atheist]

The only sad thing about that whole story is they'll blame the hospital for not giving him ivermectin.

We really should just stop treating antivaxers and leave them to their fate.

[marting]

Dude was taking it for over a decade! Amazing he hadn't offed himself before now. Seems he took advantage of the IVM nonsense to monetize his social media.

[The Great Zaganza]

I demand a thorough autopsy plus investigation of his medical history and reported symptoms.
It's these kinds of reckless self-medication that can be of great help to medical science, though in the way they think it would.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by shemp

He was taking it since 2012, originally for Lyme disease.

Lyme disease or chronic Lyme disease?

[bruto]

I have to admit I'm a bit conflicted on this, as I would like to think a sane and decent society will pick up some slack for our mistakes. On the other hand, there is a distinction between a mistake and a deliberate attack. And I generally lean a bit left politically, and believe in regulation, yet I also have a kind of libertarian streak of the "oughtta be able to do as you like" sort.

I think in cases like this, if a person wishes to eschew science and mainstream ideas completely, including opting out of what some would consider the common and mutual obligations of a civil society, perhaps there should be some special category. If you want to give science the finger and publicly denounce medical wisdom, then maybe you should sign off officially, like a conscientious objector or a transfusion-refusing Jehovah's Witness.

I think too many people base their secular life on the Christian principle of "better late than never" conversion, in which you can live a life of dissipation and sin, then repent at the last moment. God loves those lost sheep, so he says, but we don't have to.

So if you decide to treat yourself with horse dewormer, fine. Go ahead, but if you find surprisingly that you're about to die from it, tough luck. Die in the parking lot. Voted to cut FEMA and now your house blew away? Get a tent. Voted to cut workmen's comp, and got hurt? Hope your goodwill store has crutches. Voted to cut welfare and food stamps and suddenly find yourself out of a job and hungry? Try the time-tested tin cup. Denied global warming and you're underwater? Better hope you have a boat.

You see these clowns in their pickup trucks with the flags and the bumper stickers saying "Freedom is not Free" but they don't think it past tanks and guns.

rant rant....

[shemp]

Originally Posted by bruto

I have to admit I'm a bit conflicted on this, as I would like to think a sane and decent society will pick up some slack for our mistakes. On the other hand, there is a distinction between a mistake and a deliberate attack. And I generally lean a bit left politically, and believe in regulation, yet I also have a kind of libertarian streak of the "oughtta be able to do as you like" sort.

I think in cases like this, if a person wishes to eschew science and mainstream ideas completely, including opting out of what some would consider the common and mutual obligations of a civil society, perhaps there should be some special category. If you want to give science the finger and publicly denounce medical wisdom, then maybe you should sign off officially, like a conscientious objector or a transfusion-refusing Jehovah's Witness.

I think too many people base their secular life on the Christian principle of "better late than never" conversion, in which you can live a life of dissipation and sin, then repent at the last moment. God loves those lost sheep, so he says, but we don't have to.

So if you decide to treat yourself with horse dewormer, fine. Go ahead, but if you find surprisingly that you're about to die from it, tough luck. Die in the parking lot. Voted to cut FEMA and now your house blew away? Get a tent. Voted to cut workmen's comp, and got hurt? Hope your goodwill store has crutches. Voted to cut welfare and food stamps and suddenly find yourself out of a job and hungry? Try the time-tested tin cup. Denied global warming and you're underwater? Better hope you have a boat.

You see these clowns in their pickup trucks with the flags and the bumper stickers saying "Freedom is not Free" but they don't think it past tanks and guns.

rant rant....

I would agree, if everyone lived alone on an island and had no communication. But people like this jerk spread the message to others who take it up for themselves, and some of them give it to innocent children who have no choice. The era of social media has made it almost impossible for someone like this not to harm others. Sure, be an idiot and die stupidly if you want to, but don't drag others into your insane viewpoint.

[bruto]

Originally Posted by shemp

I would agree, if everyone lived alone on an island and had no communication. But people like this jerk spread the message to others who take it up for themselves, and some of them give it to innocent children who have no choice. The era of social media has made it almost impossible for someone like this not to harm others. Sure, be an idiot and die stupidly if you want to, but don't drag others into your insane viewpoint.

True, of course, and I don't want to bother to overthink my intemperate rants to figure out how to deal with that. Except to note that however it ought to be dealt with is either not happening or not working.

[Mike!]

Cause of Death: Chronic stupidity.

[shemp]

Inside the Private Group Where Parents Give Ivermectin to Kids With Autism

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In a private group on Telegram, parents whose children are living with a range of disabilities including autism, Asperger’s Syndrome, and Down Syndrome cheer each other on and provide support when discussing daily struggles.

But the channel’s main function isn’t actually support: It’s to promote the use of veterinary ivermectin as a treatment—and in some cases a cure—for these disabilities.

Hundreds of parents have turned to this conspiracy network, and are recommending a drug to each other that experts have repeatedly said is designed only for large animals and is so concentrated that it can be toxic when ingested by humans. In the channel, parents even share stories about their children experiencing horrific side effects from the drug, including brain fog, severe headaches, nausea, muscle pain, and seizures—and are routinely dismissed by those running the channel, who claim it’s a normal part of the ‘healing’ process.

A review of the chat’s eight-month history reveals parents complaining that their children suffer from a wide variety of side effects after taking the ivermectin paste, including: vomiting, change in complexion, seizures, lethargy, hyperactivity, agitation, and headaches.

“Major brain fog today after splitting headache yesterday,” one user wrote last month. Another wrote: “I have been applying Ivermectin liquid to my granddaughter’s feet, belly button, and swabbing her ears for six weeks now. She complains of sporadic blurry vision and sometimes headaches.”

“Bleeding or mucous or vomiting or diarrhea or acne or pealing or aches/pains or hot flashes & sweating are all good signs of clearing out your body,” another member wrote. “This is healing, keep going.”

Jesus H. ******* Christ on a pogo stick! What the hell is wrong with these ******* idiots??? The answer: They are totally bone-stick-stone stupid!

I could easily turn this into another rant, but I won't. I'll just stop here.

[The Atheist]

The sickness in America runs deep. That's not stupidity, just plain evil in human form.

There isn't an antidote, unfortunately.

[Roger Ramjets]

Originally Posted by shemp

Jesus H. ******* Christ on a pogo stick! What the hell is wrong with these ******* idiots??? The answer: They are totally bone-stick-stone stupid!

As stupid as downplaying a deadly virus with no vaccine because you're afraid it will spook the markets, resulting in the deaths of over 1 million citizens?

And not (just) Trump. If it wasn't for how 'intelligent' people responded to Covid, these 'stick-stone stupid idiots' would never have heard of ivermectin.

Desperation, misinformation: how the ivermectin craze spread across the world

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When researchers and doctors early on in the pandemic looked at repurposing a plethora of existing drugs to see what might be effective against Covid, some turned their attention to ivermectin.

One March 2020 peer-reviewed study involving in vitro laboratory tests on cell cultures in Australia showed promising results against the virus in the cultures, kicking off a wave of interest among researchers and doctors looking for anything to slow the pandemic. A non-peer-reviewed, pre-print study released online one month later claimed to find the drug also reduced mortality in humans.

Deadly virus with no cure sweeping through the country because the authorities didn't take it seriously? That's a recipe for desperately trying anything that might help, even by people who are not idiots. And some of the most desperate were... doctors.

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Like several other Latin American countries, Peru in 2020 experienced a dire Covid emergency that overwhelmed its underfunded healthcare system.

With vaccines still in development, desperate physicians soon began administering ivermectin to patients and, despite a lack of evidence of the drug’s effectiveness in treating Covid, Peru’s government included it in treatment guidelines in early May 2020. A frenzy ensued.

“We ran out of ivermectin in all the pharmacies,” recalled Dr Patricia Garcia, the country’s former health minister. “Then there was a black market, and that’s when things got even worse because the veterinary ivermectin use started.”

Many residents turned to self-medicating with ivermectin, Garcia said. Local politicians and television hosts told audiences to take the drug... Evangelical groups touted ivermectin as equivalent to a vaccine, sending volunteers to inject thousands of people in indigenous communities

The people you are referring to may well be totally bone-stick-stone stupid, but they are the victims here. The people you should be yelling at are the ones who should have known better - researchers, doctors, politicians, news people, aid organizers, all of whom had a responsibility to prevent things like this happening. And business owners, workers, investors, vacationers - anyone who didn't take the virus seriously shares some of the blame. Don't pin it on low-IQ individuals and parents of children with incurable diseases.

[Norman Alexander]

For the record, the Australian angle on Ivermectin.

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How a false science ‘cure’ became Australia’s contribution to the pandemic

https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-...13-p58zp3.html

[jimbob]

This could go in several threads.

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/h..._campaign=post

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How Russia Joined With Anti-Vaxxers to Wage Biological Warfare by Proxy Against the West
Heidi Siegmund Cuda explores how the carpet-bombing of anti-science disinformation turns sick people into biological weapons

[shemp]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

As stupid as downplaying a deadly virus with no vaccine because you're afraid it will spook the markets, resulting in the deaths of over 1 million citizens?

And not (just) Trump. If it wasn't for how 'intelligent' people responded to Covid, these 'stick-stone stupid idiots' would never have heard of ivermectin.

Desperation, misinformation: how the ivermectin craze spread across the world Deadly virus with no cure sweeping through the country because the authorities didn't take it seriously? That's a recipe for desperately trying anything that might help, even by people who are not idiots. And some of the most desperate were... doctors.



The people you are referring to may well be totally bone-stick-stone stupid, but they are the victims here. The people you should be yelling at are the ones who should have known better - researchers, doctors, politicians, news people, aid organizers, all of whom had a responsibility to prevent things like this happening. And business owners, workers, investors, vacationers - anyone who didn't take the virus seriously shares some of the blame. Don't pin it on low-IQ individuals and parents of children with incurable diseases.

If you're suggesting that doctors can't be idiots, you are horribly wrong. There are still doctors out there pushing this crap, long after it has been proven to be not just ineffective but downright harmful.

People who continue to take this ****, and worse, push it upon innocent children, in the face of overwhelming evidence and horrifying symptoms are idiots who need to get their heads out of these social media groups. The real victims are the children of these idiots. They have no way to refuse, and their parents are too stupid to look at what's happening to their children and realize that there's something extremely wrong with the lies they're being fed in these social media groups. These children should be removed from the custody of these morons.

Maybe there was a time when Ivermectin was considered a possible cure, but once it's been shown otherwise, intelligent people walked away from it. Only fools are left using and defending it.

[novaphile]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

For the record, the Australian angle on Ivermectin.


https://www.smh.com.au/national/how-...13-p58zp3.html

Oh crap, that's an angle I hadn't considered before...

1. Get a group of people infected with covid to volunteer for a study.
2. Sort them by age and symptom severity.
3. Put all the old and sick people into your 'control' group.
4. Claim that the ineffective drug works.

That method could be used to poison any research effort.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by novaphile

Oh crap, that's an angle I hadn't considered before...

1. Get a group of people infected with covid to volunteer for a study.
2. Sort them by age and symptom severity.
3. Put all the old and sick people into your 'control' group.
4. Claim that the ineffective drug works.

That method could be used to poison any research effort.

Check out the hydroxychloroquine push scooter paper for a very accurate parody of the HCQ paper that started THAT one

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by jimbob

Check out the hydroxychloroquine push scooter paper for a very accurate parody of the HCQ paper that started THAT one

And also he story of Dr Zamboni and his cure for MS:

Scientist concedes his controversial MS therapy, once a source of great hope, is ‘largely ineffective’

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In 2009, Zamboni published a paper suggesting the neurological damage the condition causes was triggered by pooling of blood in the brain that was the result of inadequate drainage.

He called the condition — which he said was common among MS patients — “chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency,” or CCSVI.

Zamboni further suggested inserting stents — which are designed to hold open arteries — into veins in the neck would increase blood drainage and improve symptoms.

Leading to

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“These patients looked like they were miraculous. And that got played over and over and over. Within 72 hours, everybody in Canada — all the patients and their families — knew about this new procedure,” said Murray. “So there was a great demand then for everyone to seek it out.”

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Patients weren’t willing to wait for science to conclude if Zamboni was correct or if his treatment was safe. Clinics sprang up in a number of countries — Poland, Costa Rica, and India among them — offering the controversial procedure. Many came home rapturously claiming benefit, only to see what others suggested was a placebo effect wane over time. A few people who underwent the procedure died.

Patients pressured the MS societies in the U.S. and Canada to advocate for access to the treatment, and in Canada, there were strident calls for the national health care system to pay for the procedure.

then

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Earlier this year (2017 - Gord), Canadian researchers reported on a large, randomized double-blinded study — the kind designed to protect against researcher bias and the placebo effect — they had conducted on the liberation treatment. The results, presented to the Society of Interventional Radiology’s annual scientific meeting in March, showed the technique didn’t work. The study is currently under review at a top-tier medical journal, lead author Dr. Anthony Traboulsee, an associate professor of neurology at the University of British Columbia, said Tuesday.

and finally (one could hope)

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Italian physician Paolo Zamboni has publicly acknowledged that a therapy he developed and dubbed “the liberation treatment” does not cure or mitigate the symptoms of MS.

The study is here:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2664001

:sigh:

[Norman Alexander]

So... Bad juju?

[dann]

Ivermectin is now fast becoming the new MMS (Science-Based Medicine, Mar 20, 2023)

[Checkmite]

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

And not (just) Trump. If it wasn't for how 'intelligent' people responded to Covid, these 'stick-stone stupid idiots' would never have heard of ivermectin.

I'm not sure I agree there. That used to be my impression too, until this thread; but the OP suggests that Ivermectin has already been pushed for nearly a decade if not longer as a magic snake oil for all manner of diseases by anti-sciencers, well before COVID came along. If that's the case it would seem that its appearance as an "alternative treatment" for COVID-deniers was neither spontaneous nor arbitrary.

[dann]

But wouldn't it be true if instead it said:

Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets

And not (just) Trump. If it wasn't for how 'intelligent' people responded to Covid, [the majority of] these 'stick-stone stupid idiots' would never have heard of ivermectin.

It seems to have been a fringe phenomenon (very fringe!) until the pandemic.

[casebro]

Weeeelll, maybe there is some science behnd it?

Like when an antibiotic kills off a bunch of germs the debris triggers an immune system reaction, I forget the name, but it happened to me once. I felt sick and feverish.

Perhap Ivermectin kills off the patient's parasites, which triggers an immune response? The same way ANY vaccination was protective from Covid.

If that was the theory, it was worth an experiment. But it has been long since debunked.

[novaphile]

Originally Posted by casebro

Weeeelll, maybe there is some science behnd it?

Like when an antibiotic kills off a bunch of germs the debris triggers an immune system reaction, I forget the name, but it happened to me once. I felt sick and feverish.

Perhap Ivermectin kills off the patient's parasites, which triggers an immune response? The same way ANY vaccination was protective from Covid.

If that was the theory, it was worth an experiment. But it has been long since debunked.

Another possibility, some parasites may actively suppress the immune system.

I can vaguely recall some research about intestinal worms reducing the severity of asthma symptoms, but can't remember the results.

Here we go, the source may not be the best, but it's something I guess:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/319786

[Jim_MDP]

Originally Posted by dann

Ivermectin is now fast becoming the new MMS (Science-Based Medicine, Mar 20, 2023)

That crap got a hefty boost mid pandemic.
I suspect some connection to it is how T got his stupid bleach idea.

[Orphia Nay]

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP

That crap got a hefty boost mid pandemic.
I suspect some connection to it is how T got his stupid bleach idea.

Yes, that's what I was thinking. MMS is chlorine of some sort, and perhaps all that is the body of "work" Trump and his conspiracy theory cronies were basing their claims on.