[Continuation] The behaviour of US police officers - part 2 - Page 50

Bob001 · 12th March 2023, 08:54 PM

Memphis had trouble hiring cops. So they lowered standards.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-tyre-nichols/

JoeMorgue · 15th March 2023, 11:12 AM

7 Virginia Sheriff's Deputies charged with 2nd degree murder after man dies in custody.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/us/vi...ath/index.html

erlando · 16th March 2023, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

7 Virginia Sheriff's Deputies charged with 2nd degree murder after man dies in custody.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/us/vi...ath/index.html

Quote:

Otieno had also been on medication for mental illness, but he was not able to take the medication while in custody

Having mental illness in my close relations I know how important medication can be and how absolutely devastating it can be for a person to not have their medication. It can go really fast downhill if medication is missed.

One should think that when the state puts people into custody it becomes the obligation of the state to ensure such things as medications are available. But then again this is the US...

novaphile · 16th March 2023, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by erlando

Having mental illness in my close relations I know how important medication can be and how absolutely devastating it can be for a person to not have their medication. It can go really fast downhill if medication is missed.

One should think that when the state puts people into custody it becomes the obligation of the state to ensure such things as medications are available. But then again this is the US...

Yes. Very sad to hear that.

I can assure you that 'duty of care' towards people in the custody of South Australia police is taken very seriously, including system support for the administration of medication.

(i.e. the Custody Officers are notified when medication needs to be given to people in custody.)

shemp · 17th March 2023, 04:34 PM

Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme

Quote:

IRON COUNTY, Mo. — The Iron County Sheriff and two deputies have been charged with multiple crimes including street gang activities, misusing 911, stalking, making a false report, looking up criminal records under false pretense and attempted kidnapping.

According to the charging documents, they were helping Rick Gaston, an Iron County resident, with a scheme to kidnap Gaston's children from their mother after a domestic dispute.

The Missouri Highway Patrol is now assisting with policing duties in the county about 95 miles south of St. Louis, and all of men have been booked into the Washington County jail.

Sheriff Jeff Burkett, Deputy Chase Bresnahan, Deputy Matt Cozad and Iron County resident Donald “Rick” Gaston are among those charged.

Quote:

According to charging documents, the charges stem from a domestic incident between Gaston and the mother of his child on Feb. 8. According to documents, he was "physically aggressive" with the woman.

Court documents allege that between February 10 and 11, Burkett, Gaston, Bresnahan and Cozad tried to help Gaston kidnap his daughter following a domestic incident involving Gaston and the mother of that child.

The men made a fake request for the detention and arrest of the mother of the child to the Washington County 911 dispatch center to help facilitate the kidnapping of the child, according to the documents.

Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever.

Babbylonian · 18th March 2023, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme

Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever.

That sheriff is a true scumbag...a Raiders fan in Missouri.

tyr_13 · 18th March 2023, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme

Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever.

Nooo one stalks like Gaston
with the cops like Gaston,
no violates parental rights like Gaston!

His evil is simply extraordinary!
All cops are bastards Gaston!

shemp · 18th March 2023, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Babbylonian

That sheriff is a true scumbag...a Raiders fan in Missouri.

I hadn't noticed that, good catch. That's worth an extra ten years.

The Common Potato · 21st March 2023, 03:44 PM

Lax; very lax. They'll just have to shoot him later. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...T-officer.html

The Common Potato · 21st March 2023, 08:15 PM

Oh well: https://youtu.be/m1M5Tc7eLCo?list=RDVet6AHmq3_s

bruto · 25th March 2023, 06:52 AM

HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/

tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress.

Thermal · 25th March 2023, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/

tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress.

This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this.

Originally Posted by Thermal

Broken link yo.

Here's the whole story featuring the video "Will You Help Me Repair My Door?"

Deserves it's own thread, tbh. Cops cut off his home security video.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83...cops-interview

Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024.

pgwenthold · 25th March 2023, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this.

I don't know why you would.

The reason they "thought they could get away with this" is because they always have in the past, so why should this be any different?

gnome · 25th March 2023, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this.

Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024.

He released a sequel song to to his famous "Because I Got High" explaining how legalization can benefit a community and its economy. There have been dumber people in office.

bruto · 25th March 2023, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this.

Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024.

Yes, I left that out, not being myself well informed on just how prominent Afroman is in that genre.

jimbob · 25th March 2023, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Broken link yo.

Here's the whole story featuring the video "Will You Help Me Repair My Door?"

Deserves it's own thread, tbh. Cops cut off his home security video.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83...cops-interview

From that.

Quote:

Were you surprised to see that the deputies searching your house disconnected your personal security cameras?

Yeah. The police officers represent the law. According to America, police officers are the good guys. I figured a good guy would want to leave the camera going so he can verify the fact that he is a good guy. I know burglars and crooks and criminals and murderers, they spray paint the cameras. They want to take them down because they don't want you to see who they are and what they're doing. So I'm wondering, why is the good guy disconnecting the camera, taking away the verification that he is good? It seems suspicious to me—like he's not good.

Who'd have thought it?

Thermal · 25th March 2023, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I don't know why you would.

The reason they "thought they could get away with this" is because they always have in the past, so why should this be any different?

Because he is a platinum selling Grammy nominated millionaire who people will listen to, not some schmuck from down the road. The lads from the sheriff's office have recently discovered that he can bite back.

Trebuchet · 25th March 2023, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos.

https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/

tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress.

Similar case from 2015. Cops raid a dispensary, immediately disable the security video system, and have fun playing around and munching the munches. Except they disabled the decoy security video system while the real one recorded their antics. So they sued.

Thermal · 25th March 2023, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Similar case from 2015. Cops raid a dispensary, immediately disable the security video system, and have fun playing around and munching the munches. Except they disabled the decoy security video system while the real one recorded their antics. So they sued.

Broken link. Here's a fixed one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation

Trebuchet · 25th March 2023, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

Broken link. Here's a fixed one:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation

Sorry 'bout that. Here are a couple more, courtesy of the frequently hilarious and occasionally infuriating* Raising The Bar blog.
https://www.loweringthebar.net/2015/...f-privacy.html
https://www.loweringthebar.net/2017/...o-privacy.html

*It's not the blog that's infuriating, it's the behavior of some of those blogged about, most notably the TSA.

Gulliver Foyle · 31st March 2023, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Yes, "Defund the Police" was a terrible slogan and a more terrible idea.

Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea?

The Don · 31st March 2023, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea?

Because in the US the answer to any societal issue is to spend increasing sums of money on the police and to hand them army surplus gear to turn them in to an increasingly militarised force - with the associated change in mindset in the police personnel.

Any spending on mental health services, drug rehabilitation, local services to dissuade crime must be in addition to Police spending but then any spending on the undeserving poor is unacceptable and to it never happens.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea?

You're joking, right?

Who is gonna deal with all the criminals if we get rid of the police?

The Don · 31st March 2023, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

You're joking, right?

Who is gonna deal with all the criminals if we get rid of the police?

No-one is advocating getting rid of the police AFAIK.

Instead they are proposing to use some of the police budget to get services - mental health services are a good example - which would reduce the demand on the police and allow people better equipped to execute those roles to do them.

Instead, the defunding of public services to increase spending on the police has meant that the police are spending more of their time dealing with matters which haven't historically been part of their remit and, because they lack both the training and aptitude, doing it badly.

This would leave the police to do what they're supposed to do well - to catch criminals and allow other people to deal with effects of poverty, poor mental health services, drug addiction and so on.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

No-one is advocating getting rid of the police AFAIK.

Instead they are proposing to use some of the police budget to get services - mental health services are a good example - which would reduce the demand on the police and allow people better equipped to execute those roles to do them.

Instead, the defunding of public services to increase spending on the police has meant that the police are spending more of their time dealing with matters which haven't historically been part of their remit and, because they lack both the training and aptitude, doing it badly.

This would leave the police to do what they're supposed to do well - to catch criminals and allow other people to deal with effects of poverty, poor mental health services, drug addiction and so on.

No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs.

autumn1971 · 31st March 2023, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs.

That’s funny.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by autumn1971

That’s funny.

Why? Federal govt. has infinite resources.

uke2se · 31st March 2023, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs.

Raise taxes on the rich? Fine by me.

Defunding the police was also an admonishment of the state of US policing. It wasn't just a policy proposal.

slyjoe · 31st March 2023, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Why? Federal govt. has infinite resources.

Because Republicans think everything is a zero-sum game.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Raise taxes on the rich? Fine by me.

Defunding the police was also an admonishment of the state of US policing. It wasn't just a policy proposal.

I have no problem raising taxes or printing more money in order to fund more social programs. I don't see any reason to lay off cops in order to do it.

The Don · 31st March 2023, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs.

You're right that there's no need to do this but Conservatives an conservatives insist that this is the case because public spending, especially on entitlement programs has to be rigorously controlled and minimised where possible.

Anyone who doesn't funnel every dollar into police spending or who suggests that other methods could be useful in controlling crime is tarred with the reputation of being soft on crime.

No matter how effective rehabilitation and humanising prison regimes are at reducing recidivism, wow betide the US politician who suggests anything other than longer sentences and harsher conditions.

uke2se · 31st March 2023, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

I have no problem raising taxes or printing more money in order to fund more social programs. I don't see any reason to lay off cops in order to do it.

I tend to believe that for many police departments, cleaning house would be beneficial for society in the long run. Can 'em all, get applicants for a new type of police force. The police in the US has been a rotten institution from the get go and you would do well to just start over.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

I tend to believe that for many police departments, cleaning house would be beneficial for society in the long run. Can 'em all, get applicants for a new type of police force. The police in the US has been a rotten institution from the get go and you would do well to just start over.

That's a lot of unemployed cops.

uke2se · 31st March 2023, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

That's a lot of unemployed cops.

Yeah. **** 'em.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Yeah. **** 'em.

You never called 911? You would never call the cops if you needed help or to report a crime?

uke2se · 31st March 2023, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

You never called 911? You would never call the cops if you needed help or to report a crime?

Sure I would. But then the police force where I live wasn't formed in order to return run away slaves to their masters.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Sure I would. But then the police force where I live wasn't formed in order to return run away slaves to their masters.

We are talking about the USA.

uke2se · 31st March 2023, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

We are talking about the USA.

Yep. Your cops mostly suck, and in the US I would definitely think twice before calling 911. And many (especially minority groups) do.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by uke2se

Yep. Your cops mostly suck, and in the US I would definitely think twice before calling 911. And many (especially minority groups) do.

Wow. Ok.

autumn1971 · 31st March 2023, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Why? Federal govt. has infinite resources.

Bless your heart

15th March 2023, 11:12 AM	#1962
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,073	7 Virginia Sheriff's Deputies charged with 2nd degree murder after man dies in custody. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/us/vi...ath/index.html
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16th March 2023, 01:25 AM	#1963
erlando Master Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,429	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue 7 Virginia Sheriff's Deputies charged with 2nd degree murder after man dies in custody. https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/15/us/vi...ath/index.html Quote: Otieno had also been on medication for mental illness, but he was not able to take the medication while in custody Having mental illness in my close relations I know how important medication can be and how absolutely devastating it can be for a person to not have their medication. It can go really fast downhill if medication is missed. One should think that when the state puts people into custody it becomes the obligation of the state to ensure such things as medications are available. But then again this is the US...
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16th March 2023, 06:12 PM	#1964
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 4,929	Originally Posted by erlando Having mental illness in my close relations I know how important medication can be and how absolutely devastating it can be for a person to not have their medication. It can go really fast downhill if medication is missed. One should think that when the state puts people into custody it becomes the obligation of the state to ensure such things as medications are available. But then again this is the US... Yes. Very sad to hear that. I can assure you that 'duty of care' towards people in the custody of South Australia police is taken very seriously, including system support for the administration of medication. (i.e. the Custody Officers are notified when medication needs to be given to people in custody.)
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17th March 2023, 04:34 PM	#1965
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 55,210	Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme Quote: IRON COUNTY, Mo. — The Iron County Sheriff and two deputies have been charged with multiple crimes including street gang activities, misusing 911, stalking, making a false report, looking up criminal records under false pretense and attempted kidnapping. According to the charging documents, they were helping Rick Gaston, an Iron County resident, with a scheme to kidnap Gaston's children from their mother after a domestic dispute. The Missouri Highway Patrol is now assisting with policing duties in the county about 95 miles south of St. Louis, and all of men have been booked into the Washington County jail. Sheriff Jeff Burkett, Deputy Chase Bresnahan, Deputy Matt Cozad and Iron County resident Donald “Rick” Gaston are among those charged. Quote: According to charging documents, the charges stem from a domestic incident between Gaston and the mother of his child on Feb. 8. According to documents, he was "physically aggressive" with the woman. Court documents allege that between February 10 and 11, Burkett, Gaston, Bresnahan and Cozad tried to help Gaston kidnap his daughter following a domestic incident involving Gaston and the mother of that child. The men made a fake request for the detention and arrest of the mother of the child to the Washington County 911 dispatch center to help facilitate the kidnapping of the child, according to the documents. Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever.
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18th March 2023, 07:01 AM	#1967
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 17,629	Originally Posted by shemp Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever. Nooo one stalks like Gaston with the cops like Gaston, no violates parental rights like Gaston! His evil is simply extraordinary! All cops are bastards Gaston!
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12th March 2023, 08:54 PM	#1961
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Memphis had trouble hiring cops. So they lowered standards. https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-tyre-nichols/

18th March 2023, 12:06 AM	#1966
Babbylonian Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 13,996	Originally Posted by shemp Iron County Sheriff, other department members accused of helping man in alleged parental kidnapping scheme Read the whole article, there's a lot more to this. I hope these bastards don't see sunlight again until they're very old, if ever. That sheriff is a true scumbag...a Raiders fan in Missouri.

18th March 2023, 12:48 PM	#1968
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 55,210	Originally Posted by Babbylonian That sheriff is a true scumbag...a Raiders fan in Missouri. I hadn't noticed that, good catch. That's worth an extra ten years.
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21st March 2023, 03:44 PM	#1969
The Common Potato Muse Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: The Scunthorpe Problem Posts: 623	Lax; very lax. They'll just have to shoot him later. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...T-officer.html

21st March 2023, 08:15 PM	#1970
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25th March 2023, 06:52 AM	#1971
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos. https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/ tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress.
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25th March 2023, 07:38 AM	#1972
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: In the Troll Ignoring Section Posts: 22,571	Originally Posted by bruto HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos. https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/ tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress. This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this. Originally Posted by Thermal Broken link yo. Here's the whole story featuring the video "Will You Help Me Repair My Door?" Deserves it's own thread, tbh. Cops cut off his home security video. https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83...cops-interview Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024.
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25th March 2023, 08:54 AM	#1973
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,103	Originally Posted by Thermal I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this. I don't know why you would. The reason they "thought they could get away with this" is because they always have in the past, so why should this be any different?
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25th March 2023, 09:18 AM	#1974
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,738	Originally Posted by Thermal This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this. Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024. He released a sequel song to to his famous "Because I Got High" explaining how legalization can benefit a community and its economy. There have been dumber people in office.
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25th March 2023, 09:22 AM	#1975
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by Thermal This is actually a follow up to the earlier story from this thread. He wasn't just a random guy; he was Afroman, a well known 2000's rapper who still has enough chops to make noise and be heard. I'm still stunned that the cops thought they could get away with this. Mr Afroman is, incidentally, a legitimate Independent running candidate for President of the United States in 2024. Yes, I left that out, not being myself well informed on just how prominent Afroman is in that genre.
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25th March 2023, 09:26 AM	#1976
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,026	Originally Posted by Thermal Broken link yo. Here's the whole story featuring the video "Will You Help Me Repair My Door?" Deserves it's own thread, tbh. Cops cut off his home security video. https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k83...cops-interview From that. Quote: Were you surprised to see that the deputies searching your house disconnected your personal security cameras? Yeah. The police officers represent the law. According to America, police officers are the good guys. I figured a good guy would want to leave the camera going so he can verify the fact that he is a good guy. I know burglars and crooks and criminals and murderers, they spray paint the cameras. They want to take them down because they don't want you to see who they are and what they're doing. So I'm wondering, why is the good guy disconnecting the camera, taking away the verification that he is good? It seems suspicious to me—like he's not good. Who'd have thought it?
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25th March 2023, 10:24 AM	#1977
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: In the Troll Ignoring Section Posts: 22,571	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I don't know why you would. The reason they "thought they could get away with this" is because they always have in the past, so why should this be any different? Because he is a platinum selling Grammy nominated millionaire who people will listen to, not some schmuck from down the road. The lads from the sheriff's office have recently discovered that he can bite back.
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25th March 2023, 01:01 PM	#1978
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,504	Originally Posted by bruto HEre's one. Link to story and a couple of youtube videos. https://freethoughtblogs.com/oceanox...or-being-mean/ tldr version: cops raid a person's house, vandalize it and openly steal money, house has security cameras, shows it all, person posts youtube videos showing it and cops' cavalier assumption of immunity. Now they're suing him for showing their faces, humiliating them and causing them emotional distress. Similar case from 2015. Cops raid a dispensary, immediately disable the security video system, and have fun playing around and munching the munches. Except they disabled the decoy security video system while the real one recorded their antics. So they sued.
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25th March 2023, 02:15 PM	#1979
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: In the Troll Ignoring Section Posts: 22,571	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Similar case from 2015. Cops raid a dispensary, immediately disable the security video system, and have fun playing around and munching the munches. Except they disabled the decoy security video system while the real one recorded their antics. So they sued. Broken link. Here's a fixed one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation
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25th March 2023, 02:32 PM	#1980
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,504	Originally Posted by Thermal Broken link. Here's a fixed one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation Sorry 'bout that. Here are a couple more, courtesy of the frequently hilarious and occasionally infuriating* Raising The Bar blog. https://www.loweringthebar.net/2015/...f-privacy.html https://www.loweringthebar.net/2017/...o-privacy.html *It's not the blog that's infuriating, it's the behavior of some of those blogged about, most notably the TSA.
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31st March 2023, 07:43 AM	#1981
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,682	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Yes, "Defund the Police" was a terrible slogan and a more terrible idea. Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea?

31st March 2023, 07:47 AM	#1982
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,607	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea? Because in the US the answer to any societal issue is to spend increasing sums of money on the police and to hand them army surplus gear to turn them in to an increasingly militarised force - with the associated change in mindset in the police personnel. Any spending on mental health services, drug rehabilitation, local services to dissuade crime must be in addition to Police spending but then any spending on the undeserving poor is unacceptable and to it never happens.

31st March 2023, 08:06 AM	#1983
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Why is defunding a military army of occupation/giant criminal gang a bad idea? You're joking, right? Who is gonna deal with all the criminals if we get rid of the police?
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31st March 2023, 08:24 AM	#1984
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,607	Originally Posted by Hercules56 You're joking, right? Who is gonna deal with all the criminals if we get rid of the police? No-one is advocating getting rid of the police AFAIK. Instead they are proposing to use some of the police budget to get services - mental health services are a good example - which would reduce the demand on the police and allow people better equipped to execute those roles to do them. Instead, the defunding of public services to increase spending on the police has meant that the police are spending more of their time dealing with matters which haven't historically been part of their remit and, because they lack both the training and aptitude, doing it badly. This would leave the police to do what they're supposed to do well - to catch criminals and allow other people to deal with effects of poverty, poor mental health services, drug addiction and so on.

31st March 2023, 08:37 AM	#1985
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by The Don No-one is advocating getting rid of the police AFAIK. Instead they are proposing to use some of the police budget to get services - mental health services are a good example - which would reduce the demand on the police and allow people better equipped to execute those roles to do them. Instead, the defunding of public services to increase spending on the police has meant that the police are spending more of their time dealing with matters which haven't historically been part of their remit and, because they lack both the training and aptitude, doing it badly. This would leave the police to do what they're supposed to do well - to catch criminals and allow other people to deal with effects of poverty, poor mental health services, drug addiction and so on. No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs.
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31st March 2023, 08:41 AM	#1986
autumn1971 Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,191	Originally Posted by Hercules56 No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs. That’s funny.
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31st March 2023, 08:42 AM	#1987
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by autumn1971 That’s funny. Why? Federal govt. has infinite resources.
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31st March 2023, 08:43 AM	#1988
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,399	Originally Posted by Hercules56 No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs. Raise taxes on the rich? Fine by me. Defunding the police was also an admonishment of the state of US policing. It wasn't just a policy proposal.
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31st March 2023, 08:43 AM	#1989
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,498	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Why? Federal govt. has infinite resources. Because Republicans think everything is a zero-sum game.
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31st March 2023, 08:45 AM	#1990
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by uke2se Raise taxes on the rich? Fine by me. Defunding the police was also an admonishment of the state of US policing. It wasn't just a policy proposal. I have no problem raising taxes or printing more money in order to fund more social programs. I don't see any reason to lay off cops in order to do it.
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31st March 2023, 08:48 AM	#1991
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,607	Originally Posted by Hercules56 No need to take a dime away from police funding in order to fund social service programs. You're right that there's no need to do this but Conservatives an conservatives insist that this is the case because public spending, especially on entitlement programs has to be rigorously controlled and minimised where possible. Anyone who doesn't funnel every dollar into police spending or who suggests that other methods could be useful in controlling crime is tarred with the reputation of being soft on crime. No matter how effective rehabilitation and humanising prison regimes are at reducing recidivism, wow betide the US politician who suggests anything other than longer sentences and harsher conditions.

31st March 2023, 08:48 AM	#1992
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,399	Originally Posted by Hercules56 I have no problem raising taxes or printing more money in order to fund more social programs. I don't see any reason to lay off cops in order to do it. I tend to believe that for many police departments, cleaning house would be beneficial for society in the long run. Can 'em all, get applicants for a new type of police force. The police in the US has been a rotten institution from the get go and you would do well to just start over.
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31st March 2023, 08:50 AM	#1993
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by uke2se I tend to believe that for many police departments, cleaning house would be beneficial for society in the long run. Can 'em all, get applicants for a new type of police force. The police in the US has been a rotten institution from the get go and you would do well to just start over. That's a lot of unemployed cops.
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31st March 2023, 08:51 AM	#1994
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,399	Originally Posted by Hercules56 That's a lot of unemployed cops. Yeah. **** 'em.
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31st March 2023, 08:53 AM	#1995
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by uke2se Yeah. **** 'em. You never called 911? You would never call the cops if you needed help or to report a crime?
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