The right goes to war against "the woke"

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Michael Cohen says Trump is definitely racist:
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...obama-n1239445

Trump is a racist?
And in other news, the Pope is a Roman Catholic...

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

He's a Bourbon:

"The Bourbons never forgot anything and never learned anything." - Talleyrand.

That quote has also been attributed to the Duke Of Wellington.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Goldwater implemented the strategy of courting fundamentalist christians. In 1964.

Proof?
I ask because GOldwater did not like the relgious right at all.
In one of his last interviews, he warned the GOP against being taken over by "The Preachers" as he called them because you simply cannot work with them.
SOme people here do pretty much equate having some conservative opinions with being a fascist. Just like some ont he right equate having some liberal opinions with being a communist.

[dudalb]

I love that one Florida Black Leader who said he thinks Minorites in Florida should steal a slogan from the Neo Confederates when it comes to tyring to "whitewash" history:

"Hell No, I Ain't Forgetting".

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Southern Strategy= appeal to white southern racists. And the biggest, most organised and most politically active group amongst the southern racists was always the SBC, fundie christians.

I agree. Pres. Johnson knew of what he spoke when he said, referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "Well, I think we may have lost the south for your lifetime – and mine."

As for the Southern Baptist Church:

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During the 20th century American Civil Rights movement in the 1950s and 1960s, the SBC took no active role and, in some locales, strongly opposed racial equality.

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In June 1995, the Southern Baptists apologized for supporting racial injustice. At its yearly meeting in Atlanta, the Southern Baptists passed a resolution “to repudiate historic acts of evil, such as slavery, from which we continue to reap a bitter harvest.”

The group also specifically apologized to African Americans “for condoning and/or perpetuating individual and systemic racism in our lifetime, and we genuinely repent of racism of which we have been guilty, whether consciously or unconsciously.”

However, concerning CRT:

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Conversely, in 2019, in their statement, the presidents said critical race theory and a new framework called “intersectionality” are “antithetical to the Bible and the only Gospel that can save.” A statement from Adam Greenway, the white president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, said that he and the other seminary presidents accept that structural racism is a modern-day problem and think critical race theory does “rightly decry racism and injustice,” but that they reject the theory as a comprehensive way of understanding race-related problems.

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“The reaction has been like a bomb exploded,” said Dwight McKissic, a Black pastor in Arlington, Texas, who said he’s still deciding his status within the SBC. In 2020 Willie McLaurin was named the interim president and CEO of the Southern Baptist Convention Executive Committee, the first African American to lead one of the denomination’s ministry entities in its more than 175-year history.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I agree. Pres. Johnson knew of what he spoke when he said, referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "Well, I think we may have lost the south for your lifetime – and mine."

As for the Southern Baptist Church:





However, concerning CRT:

Captain Cassidy of Roll to Disbelieve has her own nicknames for the two factions within the SBC, the Old Guard who want the south to return to the good ole days where women and black people knew their place and the Pretend Progrssives who want to have the benefits of being seen to be progressive without having to do anything meaningful to change.

Sums up what the churches are about very nicely.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by ahhell

How so?
https://libquotes.com/barry-goldwater/quotes/religious

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/16/u...ous%20concerns.

It's always interesting to see someone who has been so active in the political threads here profess an ignorance of the Southern Strategy. As it has been discussed in so very many of the threads that talk about the racism within the Republican party, which you so very passionately argue against, it seems extremely odd that you haven't seen it before.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Captain Cassidy of Roll to Disbelieve has her own nicknames for the two factions within the SBC, the Old Guard who want the south to return to the good ole days where women and black people knew their place and the Pretend Progrssives who want to have the benefits of being seen to be progressive without having to do anything meaningful to change.

Sums up what the churches are about very nicely.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Trump is a racist?
And in other news, the Pope is a Roman Catholic...

No say it's not so, have you ever looked up Trump's associates on line, or had any dealings with them?
http://www.splcenter.org/fighting-ha...remacist-radio

[Doubt]

Went looking to see if there was an anti-woke caucus website. Did not find one. Did see a lot of news stories about the announcement.

Searched for a list of anti-woke caucus members. Did not find one.

Went to the Jim Banks website. Nothing there. Lots of dumb press releases and some seriously messed up legislation. But still no anti-woke caucus stuff. He did have one bill in there for starting a college savings program for families of military service members. So not all bad.

Looks like it is a lot of hot air. Guess you cannot fight the war against Christmas forever. The strawman loses too much straw over time. Need a new controversy. The Anti-woke caucus seems to be going nowhere. Maybe he just does not have enough clout to get it started.

[Regnad Kcin]

The right always needs an enemy.

Captain Brackett: “We’re against the Japs!”

Emile de Becque: “I know what you’re against. What are you for?”

Rodgers and Hammerstein - South Pacific

[thaiboxerken]

Anti-wok = pro-racism, pro-homophobia, pro-sexism... it's pro-bigotry on a grand scale. I don't know why this will help them win elections. It only attracts their base.

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Anti-wok

Cook us up some anti-stir-fry in that anti-wok!

[Delvo]

Originally Posted by Brainster

Cook us up some anti-stir-fry in that anti-wok!

That's racist!

[dudalb]

A statement that Danial Defoe made about Anti Catholicism in the early 1700's could apply to the Anti Woke Crusade;


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There are 10,000 stout fellows who would spend their last drop of blood against popery but don’t know if it’s a man or a horse’

[Tero]

Interesting how the word woke has now expanded to include everything liberal. A story on Manchin and pals opposing a bill where retirement fund managers could not advise investors on the green aspect of a fund was up for a senate vote.

Therefore the "green" angle to politics, burning coal etc, is now labeled woke.

[dudalb]

Trump in his two hour speech at CPAC drew the most applause for his promises to, basically make the lBTG community into second class citizens. The GOP has become the party of Hate.

[Robin]

Originally Posted by Tero

Interesting how the word woke has now expanded to include everything liberal. A story on Manchin and pals opposing a bill where retirement fund managers could not advise investors on the green aspect of a fund was up for a senate vote.

Therefore the "green" angle to politics, burning coal etc, is now labeled woke.

I think this was always the point of the word, a dirt of bait and switch.

First it gets applied to people who go ridiculously far and want to police the language or to make white kids apologise at school. Then, when everyone hates people labelled as "woke" the word gets applied to everything that is not far.right.

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Robin

I think this was always the point of the word, a dirt of bait and switch.

This is an old trick. You taint a word so it will always have a negative connotation.

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First it gets applied to people who go ridiculously far and want to police the language or to make white kids apologise at school.

See, you're doing it even now. It was never about that.

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Then, when everyone hates people labelled as "woke" the word gets applied to everything that is not far.right.

Don't forget getting moderates/centrists to police the language for the right-wingers. "I agree with your points but I don't like the specific word you are using, if it is totally accurate."

[Stacyhs]

DeSantis is embracing the "woke" war and claiming "the woke virus has infected the liberal brain."

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis touted his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic and the state's approach to education on Sunday at the Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, where he also claimed the "woke mind virus" is leading to the demise of liberal states.

"We have had a great experiment, a great test in governance philosophies," DeSantis said. "If you look over the last four years, we've witnessed a great American exodus from states governed by leftists politicians imposing leftist ideology and delivering poor results.

Just last might I watched a report on why many people are leaving CA and NY for FL and TX. The overwhelming reason was financial: it's cheaper to live in FL and TX, mostly in the housing area. Political ideology had little to do with people leaving.

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Without mentioning Newsom by name, DeSantis said on Sunday "I know you guys have a lot of problems out here, but your governor is very concerned about what we're doing in Florida, so I figured I'd have to come by."

A lot of us are concerned about what DeSantis is doing in FL: instituting laws and regulations and using tactics that smack of fascism:

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"Forida Governor Ron DeSantis would "destroy our democracy" if he is elected president, according to a leading expert on fascism.

"Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a professor of history and Italian studies at New York University who has written several books on propaganda, authoritarianism, and dictators such as Benito Mussolini, made the claim while tweeting out a video of former Florida governor and 2016 presidential hopeful Jeb Bush endorsing DeSantis."
"While sharing the clip, Ben-Ghiat tweeted: "Ron DeSantis will destroy our democracy with deadly precision. I cannot emphasize enough how dangerous he is."

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Newsom, who returned to the state after the event, responded by saying "welcome to the real freedom state."

"Just look at the data – California residents are safer, healthier and more prosperous than those unfortunate enough to have you as their Governor," Newsom continued. "Oh by the way, you're going to get smoked by Trump."

[Reformed Offlian]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Your argument fails right off the bat as it is based on a false premise.



Really? Can you give me an example of a Dem who wore black face in college..or at any time... and the progressives who said "no problem"?

I was about to type "Ralph Northam" before I read the second part of your question. The progressives in VA raked him over the coals. I can't remember something like that happening in the GOP in a while.

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Trump in his two hour speech at CPAC drew the most applause for his promises to, basically make the lBTG community into second class citizens. The GOP has become the party of Hate.

It has been since at least Reagan.
Only who the object of hate is gets swapped out from time to time.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

It has been since at least Reagan.
Only who the object of hate is gets swapped out from time to time.

True. The GOP feeds off hate. It's no coincidence that hate groups are overwhelmingly conservatives.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Captain Cassidy of Roll to Disbelieve has her own nicknames for the two factions within the SBC, the Old Guard who want the south to return to the good ole days where women and black people knew their place and the Pretend Progrssives who want to have the benefits of being seen to be progressive without having to do anything meaningful to change.

Sums up what the churches are about very nicely.

That is painting with a pretty broad brush.
I am a skeptich when it comes to relgion, but I don;t have the hatred and contempt for it you see here.

[Tero]

"We don't know what it is but it's bad."
Conservative author Bethany Mandel struggles to come up with definition of ‘woke’
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ition-of-woke/

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by Tero

"We don't know what it is but it's bad."
Conservative author Bethany Mandel struggles to come up with definition of ‘woke’
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...ition-of-woke/

Don't know if they discussed her follow-up, but apparently, the problem was that the host was biased.

And that's why she couldn't define woke.

[johnny karate]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Don't know if they discussed her follow-up, but apparently, the problem was that the host was biased.

And that's why she couldn't define woke.

One of the most insidious aspects of "wokeness" is that it has the power to render conservatives speechless and make them appear to be idiots.

This interview, ironically enough, serves as the perfect of example of why it must be stopped.

[Apathia]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I agree. Pres. Johnson knew of what he spoke when he said, referring to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "Well, I think we may have lost the south for your lifetime – and mine."

As for the Southern Baptist Church:





However, concerning CRT:

The dog returns to its vomit.

[Stacyhs]

Woke is the new CRT: We don't know what it is, but it's bad and must be stopped.

The GOP is excellent at creating fear mongering buzz words for their 'under-educated' base to rally their anger around.

[Mongrel]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Woke is the new CRT: We don't know what it is, but it's bad and must be stopped.

The GOP is excellent at creating fear mongering buzz words for their 'under-educated' base to rally their anger around.

They don't even create these words, just appropriate an existing word from the people they're going to be pissing on.

[JoeMorgue]

Yes literally everyone with enough neurons bouncing around in their skull to fire off a synapse can see that it's a hollow, meaningless scare word.

The problems is it's still effective at doing its job for the Republicans we haven't yet figured out a way to counter it.

[thaiboxerken]

They know the meaning of woke includes a set of socially positive values. That's why they don't want to define it.

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They know the meaning of woke includes a set of socially positive values. That's why they don't want to define it.

It's been said in this thread, but a reminder that DaSantis's lawyer defined woke as "the recognition of systematic injustice and the need to address it"

And, yet, somehow, they think it's obectionable.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

It's been said in this thread, but a reminder that DaSantis's lawyer defined woke as "the recognition of systematic injustice and the need to address it"

And, yet, somehow, they think it's obectionable.

That's because they don't see them as 'injustices".

[pgwenthold]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

That's because they don't see them as 'injustices".

Yah, this is the question. Which part do they disagree with? That there are systematic injustices? Or that they should be addressed?

I suspect there will be some on both sides of that. For every "white people face the most discrimination" person you get there will be a "life's not fair"

[JoeMorgue]

Spin the wheel and take your pick. The Wrong all the use the same handful of thought terminating cliches to shutdown discourse, everything form the now classic "Okay so sure that's evil, but have you considered that fact that other side is being dramatic about it?" to just straight up total lies.

[Norman Alexander]

Whenever anyone asks the Proud Fascisti what "Woke" is, all you get is a giant "TU QUOQUE!!" sign with flashing lights and klaxons.

[ZiprHead]

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Yeah well, he talked so much about Trump ******** in his diaper and how everyone knew it because they could hear the ******** and farting .... I did not find Casler the least bit credible.

I heard Casler say this nonsense himself though it's was a few years ago so I don't have a handy link.

The **** show.

[catsmate]

I see attempts to suppress books in USAia are booming.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0324/13...ks-censorship/

Ah, "Free Speech".....

[thaiboxerken]

I wonder if Orwell knew that he was writing about the Republican party when he wrote 1984.