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Old 6th February 2016, 09:05 AM   #161
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The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government. That is a serious matter for him. Obama does not like whistleblowers.
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Old 6th February 2016, 09:13 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government. That is a serious matter for him. Obama does not like whistleblowers.
If you'd taken the trouble to read the link I posted you would know that the Swedish government and judiciary are separate entities. The government cannot order the judiciary to ignore Swedish law.
And for the umpteenth time, if he's scared of the UK government extraditing to the US why the hell did he fight so hard to stay here? It's a very simple question.
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Old 6th February 2016, 09:19 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government. That is a serious matter for him. Obama does not like whistleblowers.
The UK and Sweden do not negotiate with terrorists criminals who are on the lam from justice.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government.
You're not reading the thread, are you? He can't be extradited by Sweden, under the terms of the EAW. If the UK wanted to extradite him to the US (which is more likely than Sweden doing it, anyway), why didn't they do it before?
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No i don't think so although this case is exceptional. The basic idea is that the time people have already spent "deprived of their freedom" is supposed to be deducted from the time they are supposed to serve in prison as being imprisoned is a form of freedom deprivation. Thus it hinges on whether or not he can be considered to be freedom deprived.

Although he would no doubt claim that he has been deprived of his freedom during his self-imposed "imprisonment" at the embassy I find that assertion highly questionable since unlike typical cases he is free to leave at any moment. The British police aren't keeping him imprisoned in there by locking the front door and stationing guards around the perimeter to catch and escort him back in there if he tries to run away.
I agree with that. What about the part during the extradition procedures, when he was imposed house arrest? That's not self-imposed, as fighting in court the extradition request was legally completely above board. And house arrest is freedom deprivation - in this case imposed by the UK courts, not the Swedish ones - though of a lesser nature than imprisonment.
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You're not reading the thread, are you? He can't be extradited by Sweden, under the terms of the EAW. If the UK wanted to extradite him to the US (which is more likely than Sweden doing it, anyway), why didn't they do it before?
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Julian Assange Hails U.N. Panel Calling for His Freedom
I'm surprised there is no thread on this yet. All I can say is WTF is wrong with these people on this UN panel?

Freedom from what? Freedom to not answer charges against him?
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Old 6th February 2016, 12:07 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government. That is a serious matter for him. Obama does not like whistleblowers.
In your opinion, who would be able to give such an assurance so that it would be legally binding?
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Old 6th February 2016, 12:12 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The point is Assange has never been given an assurance that he will not be extradited to America by Sweden, or by the UK government. That is a serious matter for him. Obama does not like whistleblowers.
You haven't read the thread, have you? The US has never shown any interest in extraditing Assange. There are already plentiful assurances in Swedish law, British law, and the EAW itself, against any such extradition.

Assange is ignoring all the safeguards already assured him, and demanding a bogus assurance that is neither necessary nor possible, as an excuse to avoid prosecution. He is further attributing his concern to an interest in him which the US manifestly does not have.

Obama may not like whistleblowers. This would explain why he has gone after Manning and Snowden--actual whistleblowers. However, his administration--like those before it, has shown no special dislike for publishers. This would explain why the US has not gone after Assange.

Have you really never noticed the lack of effort by the US to charge Assange, and bring him to trial?
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he has not even been charged
Anyone who paid any attention to the case would know that Sweden is trying to charge him.
The simple solution to this would have been for Assange to be questioned in the UK. If the prosecutor were not on a political mission it would have been done.
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The prosecutor in charge of Julian Assange's case in Sweden has "disgraced the country" and should be replaced, according to another, former, prosecutor who wrote a scathing critique in a major Swedish daily.

Rolf Hillgren, in his op-ed in Svenska Dagbladet, has called for prosecutor Marianne Nye to be replaced, questioning her judicial impartiality and the sudden decision to interrogate Assange in the Ecuadorian embassy in London after years of insisting that any questioning would have to take place in Sweden.

The prosecution says they have changed their strategy since the statute of limitations for the case is approaching later this year, but Hillegren says he finds that rationale "unconvincing."

Hillegran says the prosecution should have carried out questioning much earlier, and accuses Nye of avoiding interrogation because it would have meant an end to the case.
"The most likely scenario is that she then [in 2012] found reason to discontinue the examination on the grounds that crimes can not be substantiated.
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Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/201503...#ixzz3zPzkQ2BO
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Old 6th February 2016, 12:39 PM   #171
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I'm surprised there is no thread on this yet. All I can say is WTF is wrong with these people on this UN panel?

Freedom from what? Freedom to not answer charges against him?
If these are charges of rape you're referring to, [ETA] there's a huge thread on this welcome to the huge thread on this! And to answer your other question: They're people on a UN panel. What did you expect?

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Old 6th February 2016, 12:56 PM   #172
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The simple solution to this would have been for Assange to be questioned in the UK. If the prosecutor were not on a political mission it would have been done.
Move to Conspiracy Theories when?
Hillegran says the prosecution should have carried out questioning much earlier, and accuses Nye of avoiding interrogation because it would have meant an end to the case.
"The most likely scenario is that she then [in 2012] found reason to discontinue the examination on the grounds that crimes can not be substantiated."
It all makes sense, now! Assange is on the run from Swedish justice because--get this! Because if his case went to trial in Sweden he would be found innocent.

Also, check your sources. Sputnik News is explicitly a propaganda arm of the Russian government. Every story they choose to run is chosen in the service of Vladimir Putin's agenda. Every time you cite them, you serve Vladimir Putin's agenda.
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Old 6th February 2016, 01:21 PM   #173
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The UK and Sweden do not negotiate with terrorists criminals who are on the lam from justice.
The US supports Head-Chopping Dictators, Bloody Central-American Tyrants and has sold weapons to countries (e.g., Iran) who they consider enemies...and the US still sells military hardware to Pakistan (the country who hid Osama Bin Laden) So, if the US has not yet made a deal with "criminals on the lam", then I'd be surprised.
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Old 6th February 2016, 03:03 PM   #174
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You haven't read the thread, have you? The US has never shown any interest in extraditing Assange. There are already plentiful assurances in Swedish law, British law, and the EAW itself, against any such extradition.

Assange is ignoring all the safeguards already assured him, and demanding a bogus assurance that is neither necessary nor possible, as an excuse to avoid prosecution. He is further attributing his concern to an interest in him which the US manifestly does not have.

Obama may not like whistleblowers. This would explain why he has gone after Manning and Snowden--actual whistleblowers. However, his administration--like those before it, has shown no special dislike for publishers. This would explain why the US has not gone after Assange.

Have you really never noticed the lack of effort by the US to charge Assange, and bring him to trial?
That has been repeated many times in this thread, but looking into it, I don't think that's true. A couple of links I found simply at the wiki pages on Assange and on the Swedish prosecution against Assange:

Daily Beast, 8 October 2010:
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The Obama administration has asked Britain, Germany, Australia, and other allies to consider criminal charges against Julian Assange for his Afghan war leaks. Philip Shenon reports.
Wikileaks, 26 January 2015:
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Google hands data to US Government in WikiLeaks espionage case
Several Wikileaks staff's emails were handed by Google to the US government.

Joint Status Report in Manning vs. US DOJ and FBI:
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The documents Plaintiff requests are part of a sensitive, ongoing law enforcement proceeding into the Wikileaks matter.
So I think there's reason for Assange to think that the US is still investigating him and considering bringing charges.

But, as I said before, in that case Sweden would be a safer harbor for him than the UK.

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Also, check your sources. Sputnik News is explicitly a propaganda arm of the Russian government. Every story they choose to run is chosen in the service of Vladimir Putin's agenda. Every time you cite them, you serve Vladimir Putin's agenda.
I don't think there's much bias in the article. It just reports on this ex-prosecutor's views and adds that he has held controversial views on rape in the past, to the point that in the last year before his retirement, he was barred from prosecuting sexual offence cases.
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The simple solution to this would have been for Assange to be questioned in the UK. If the prosecutor were not on a political mission it would have been done.
Ms. Ny, the prosecutor, at last moved to try to question him in London in March 2015, and reached a deal on that with Ecuador in December 2015. In the meantime, in August 2015, the statute of limitations on the lesser charges ran out.

Seems more like playing a game of chicken. And seeing some charges were running out, she caved in but still lost them because the other side then strung out the negotiations beyond the deadline.

The statute of limitations on the charge of rape runs out in 2020.
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If these are charges of rape you're referring to, [ETA] there's a huge thread on this welcome to the huge thread on this! And to answer your other question: They're people on a UN panel. What did you expect?
I guess I expected even them not to sound so stupid.
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I agree with that. What about the part during the extradition procedures, when he was imposed house arrest? That's not self-imposed, as fighting in court the extradition request was legally completely above board. And house arrest is freedom deprivation - in this case imposed by the UK courts, not the Swedish ones - though of a lesser nature than imprisonment.
I think house arrest would be seen as equivalent to being detained at a prison in that it's the restrictions on ones movement that's important, not whether one is imprisoned within a luxurious house/apartment or a drab concrete prison with minimal amenities.
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I think house arrest would be seen as equivalent to being detained at a prison in that it's the restrictions on ones movement that's important, not whether one is imprisoned within a luxurious house/apartment or a drab concrete prison with minimal amenities.
What are you talking about, including the one you replied to?

What house arrest? He is avoiding arrest by hiding in the house of an jackass government.
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What are you talking about, including the one you replied to?

What house arrest? He is avoiding arrest by hiding in the house of an jackass government.
Before the UK ruling on his extradition became final, and before he fled into the Ecuadorian embassy, Assange was under house arrest. My question was, would this be deducted from his prison term in case he would, one day, be convicted in a Swedish court.

Checking on his "house arrest", it's a bit more nuanced according to this Reuters article:
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As a condition of bail, Assange must live at Ellingham Hall, a country mansion and farm in eastern England that is the home of a former army officer and Assange supporter, Vaughan Smith.

Assange must also abide by a curfew, report to police daily, and wear an electronic tag.

Smith said his mansion, set in sprawling grounds, would offer Assange peace and security. "It's quite hard to get too close without trespassing," he told Sky News. "The Internet is not so good though."
So not exactly house arrest, but clearly a restriction on movement.
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...So not exactly house arrest, but clearly a restriction on movement.
he was out on bail pending trial.
He jumped bail and forfeited the £200,000 his friends put up so he was not remanded in prison until trial.

House arrest is a sentence post trial.

He jumped bail.
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he was out on bail pending trial.
He jumped bail and forfeited the £200,000 his friends put up so he was not remanded in prison until trial.

House arrest is a sentence post trial.

He jumped bail.
Fair enough. But it was not just bail. Normally, bail does not include a curfew, daily reporting at the police station, or an ankle bracelet.
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Fair enough. But it was not just bail. Normally, bail does not include a curfew, daily reporting at the police station, or an ankle bracelet.
The prosecution didn't want bail granted because they thought he was a flight risk so the ankle bracelet was a compromise that he accepted as a bail condition.

Turns out he was a flight risk and the ankle bracelet didn't help.
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The prosecution didn't want bail granted because they thought he was a flight risk so the ankle bracelet was a compromise that he accepted as a bail condition.

Turns out he was a flight risk and the ankle bracelet didn't help.
Not to mention he had already fled one country.
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he was out on bail pending trial.
He jumped bail and forfeited the £200,000 his friends put up so he was not remanded in prison until trial.

House arrest is a sentence post trial.

He jumped bail.
I think house arrest can also be imposed as part of bail conditions (even if that's rare). As to the conditions he faced, they're not that dissimilar to those of Oscar Pistorius' house arrest - i.e. freedom of movement limited to certain daytime hours, electronic tagging, daily reporting to the police station. So it's reasonable to describe it as house arrest; indeed from reading the UN ruling, neither Britain nor Sweden disputed that.
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I was exploring a hypothetical. Suppose, one day, Assange is convicted in Swedish court; let's say, to 3 years prison. Normally, any time spent detained pre-sentencing is deducted from the time still to serve. If he had spent 2 years in Sweden in pre-trial detention, he would then still have to serve 1 year.

Now he's spent 2 years in the UK on bail with movement restrictions (ankle bracelet, curfew daily police reporting). Would that be deducted from an eventual prison term? That's the question I was exploring.

The fact he absconded does not in any way negate the time he was subjected to those conditions. If he had been - hypothetically - detained pre-trial in Sweden for 2 years and somehow absconded from that detention, those 2 years would still be deducted from his actual prison term.

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The prosecution didn't want bail granted because they thought he was a flight risk so the ankle bracelet was a compromise that he accepted as a bail condition.

Turns out he was a flight risk and the ankle bracelet didn't help.
It worked until it didn't work. **** happens, and sometimes suspects escape. The Dutch ANC activist Klaas de Jonge fooled three armed South-African policemen: he led them to various ANC weapon caches and in that process, managed to get them all into the building where the Dutch embassy was housed and then jumped into the embassy. The Belgian serial rapist Marc Dutroux was studying his file in the courthouse with two armed guards. He asked one guard to go get another part of his file, then overpowered the other and fled the courthouse.

I'm not in any way apologising for his behaviour in this.

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Not to mention he had already fled one country.
Depending on which claims in this WSJ article are true, the word "fled" may be right or wrong. And in any case, the Swedish prosecution doesn't look very well in handling the case initially, before he flew to London. Waiting a month with wanting to interview a global nomad is not smart.

None of that negates the fact that Assange tries to evade the Swedish justice system, first through legal means, then by hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy.

None of that negates the fact that his fear to immediately be extradited to the US - even though there may be reasons for his fear that the US may still want him - is unfounded and is a red herring in the Swedish extradition case.
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Depending on which claims in this WSJ article are true, the word "fled" may be right or wrong.
Technically, he fled from the UK to Ecuador.
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Technically, he fled from the UK to Ecuador.
Yes, no argument about that. But KDLarsen referred to Assange's going from Sweden to the UK as "fleeing". If indeed prosecutor Ms. Ny had informed Assange's lawyer that an arrest warrant was forthcoming, it's right to call it "fleeing". If her earlier statement that he was free to leave the country still stood, it's not. According to the WSJ article I linked to, facts here are in dispute.
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Originally Posted by ddt View Post
Yes, no argument about that. But KDLarsen referred to Assange's going from Sweden to the UK as "fleeing". If indeed prosecutor Ms. Ny had informed Assange's lawyer that an arrest warrant was forthcoming, it's right to call it "fleeing". If her earlier statement that he was free to leave the country still stood, it's not. According to the WSJ article I linked to, facts here are in dispute.
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...julian-assange
Under cross-examination, it became clear that Assange’s own Swedish lawyer had misled the court and Assange's other witnesses over whether the Swedish prosecutor had been in contact to request interrogation before Assange left Sweden. In a scathing passage of the judgment , the Chief Magistrate even accused Assange's Swedish lawyer of “a deliberate attempt to mislead the court”.
There's a link to the full judgement and other resources in the article.
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Old 7th February 2016, 08:02 AM   #189
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The rape charge seems pretty weak. He's no Bill Cosby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assang...tion_Authority
the whole issue seems to be his refusal to use a condom
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...assange-sweden
granted that it lands in the date rape category, it seems the woman could have kicked him in the butt and thrown him out at some point. She was aware she was having sex.
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Old 7th February 2016, 08:42 AM   #190
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Now he's spent 2 years in the UK on bail with movement restrictions (ankle bracelet, curfew daily police reporting). Would that be deducted from an eventual prison term? That's the question I was exploring.
So, do you suggest people should be able to convict themselves and choose their own method of incarceration and avoid trial as a result?
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Old 7th February 2016, 09:26 AM   #191
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Originally Posted by katy_did View Post
I think house arrest can also be imposed as part of bail conditions (even if that's rare). As to the conditions he faced, they're not that dissimilar to those of Oscar Pistorius' house arrest - i.e. freedom of movement limited to certain daytime hours, electronic tagging, daily reporting to the police station. So it's reasonable to describe it as house arrest; indeed from reading the UN ruling, neither Britain nor Sweden disputed that.
Thank you. It's often hard to separate hard facts from serious claims to dubious claims in this matter.
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http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...julian-assange
Under cross-examination, it became clear that Assange’s own Swedish lawyer had misled the court and Assange's other witnesses over whether the Swedish prosecutor had been in contact to request interrogation before Assange left Sweden. In a scathing passage of the judgment , the Chief Magistrate even accused Assange's Swedish lawyer of “a deliberate attempt to mislead the court”.
There's a link to the full judgement and other resources in the article.
Thanks. The link to this judgment in the article does not work. But there's a copy at archive.org. Pages 7-8 contain the report on the cross-examination of Mr. Hurtig, the lawyer in question, and page 10, point 15, the scathing indictment. Mr. Hurtig received a text message from Ms. Ny on 22 Sept for a 28 Sept appointment for an interview with Assange. And somehow he was not able to contact his client in the meantime; and had "forgotten" to mention all this in his written brief to the UK court.

Seems like a case for a disciplinary sanction by the Swedish Bar.

And after 28 Sept has passed, Mr. Hurtig offers that Assange will be back in Sweden and available for questioning on 10 Oct. Ms. Ny refuses this offer because it would be "too late". A bit ironic to read that, now five years later. And given the time it just takes to issue the EAW, it would have been smarter to take up that offer: either Assange comes, or is clearly the bad guy.

None of the parties come off looking particularly good. The only ones profiting, as ever, are the lawyers.

The whole thing leaves me with a couple of questions regarding Swedish criminal procedure:
1) is the (second) interview with the prosecutor an absolute necessity for laying charges and proceeding with actual prosecution? So someone who stays out of reach of the prosecuting office can outlive the statute of limitations and evade possible punishment for their crimes?
2) isn't there something like trying in absentia?
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Old 7th February 2016, 09:34 AM   #192
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You haven't read the thread, have you? The US has never shown any interest in extraditing Assange. There are already plentiful assurances in Swedish law, British law, and the EAW itself, against any such extradition.

Assange is ignoring all the safeguards already assured him, and demanding a bogus assurance that is neither necessary nor possible, as an excuse to avoid prosecution. He is further attributing his concern to an interest in him which the US manifestly does not have.

Obama may not like whistleblowers. This would explain why he has gone after Manning and Snowden--actual whistleblowers. However, his administration--like those before it, has shown no special dislike for publishers. This would explain why the US has not gone after Assange.

Have you really never noticed the lack of effort by the US to charge Assange, and bring him to trial?
I don't think you know the first thing about extradition treaties. There have been extraditiion treaties in this country since Victorian times for fugitives from justice Some countries have not signed, like Brazil. That's how the great train robber Ronnie Biggs escaped being sent to the UK after being detected by British detectives living in Brazil.

My own opinion is that lawyers from MI6, working with the Department of Injustice in America, want Assange extradited to America. They did this by setting Assange up for a love, or rape trap in Sweden, rather like the Russian KGB used to do. This Assange extradition would be arranged by the Crown Prosecution Service under the 2003 US and UK extradition treaty. Assange obviously wanted to stay in this country because for him going to America would lead to endless worry and financial anxiety, and land him in ruin and imprisonment.

The US and UK extradition treaty is controversial and the court of public opinion is involved. That's political.

There is some background information to this extradition treaty at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16041824

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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
My own opinion is that lawyers from MI6, working with the Department of Injustice in America, want Assange extradited to America. They did this by setting Assange up for a love, or rape trap in Sweden, rather like the Russian KGB used to do. This Assange extradition would be arranged by the Crown Prosecution Service under the 2003 US and UK extradition treaty. Assange obviously wanted to stay in this country because for him going to America would lead to endless worry and financial anxiety, and land him in ruin and imprisonment.
Why don't they simply extradite him to the USA from the UK, rather than via Sweden, whence he can't be deported to the US?
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Old 7th February 2016, 09:44 AM   #194
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So, do you suggest people should be able to convict themselves and choose their own method of incarceration and avoid trial as a result?
Are you just trolling here?

I'll try again. A suspect can be put on pre-trial detention by the judge, pending (part of) the investigation and the trial. That happens in my country (and in Sweden, I think) more than in the Anglo-saxon world, as bail is not known here. At the end of the trial, the suspect may be sentenced to a prison term. The actual time to be served after sentencing equals the (term in the verdict) MINUS (time served in pre-trial detention).

My question was if the bail-with-restrictions-amounting-to-house-arrest that was imposed on Assange by a UK judge while he was fighting the Swedish extradition request in the UK, would count as "time served" if he eventually were convicted in a Swedish court.

Nothing about convicting yourself - I don't know where you got that ludicrous idea - and nothing about choosing your own method of incarceration - the bail and its conditions were decided by a UK judge - and nothing about avoiding trial.
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I don't think you know the first thing about extradition treaties. There have been extraditiion treaties in this country since Victorian times for fugitives from justice Some countries have not signed, like Brazil. That's how the great train robber Ronnie Biggs escaped being sent to the UK after being detected by British detectives living in Brazil.
But he came back, voluntarily, didn't he - sort-of, as he ran out of money and out of health. His English prison now is a NHS-paid hospital bed.

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My own opinion is that lawyers from MI6, working with the Department of Injustice in America, want Assange extradited to America. They did this by setting Assange up for a love, or rape trap in Sweden, rather like the Russian KGB used to do. This Assange extradition would be arranged by the Crown Prosecution Service under the 2003 US and UK extradition treaty. Assange obviously wanted to stay in this country because for him going to America would lead to endless worry and financial anxiety, and land him in ruin and imprisonment.

The US and UK extradition traty is controversial and the court of public opinion is involved. That's political.

There is some background information to this extradition treaty at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16041824
Which is why this theory doesn't compute. Assange was nearly 2 months in the UK before the Swedish EAW came; time enough for a US extradition request to come in.

Or the US could simply have abducted him in the 2 years he fought Swedish extradition. With a nod by MI6, or even active involvement - the OSA ensures that even your grandchildren wouldn't know about it.

Or is it only the Mossad these days who does abductions of well-known people? (I'm thinking Eichmann from Argentina, and Vanunu from Rome).
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But he came back, voluntarily, didn't he - sort-of, as he ran out of money and out of health. His English prison now is a NHS-paid hospital bed.
He didn't get credited for time served for his 'imprisonment' in Rio, it's worth noting. And his current bed is six foot under.
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He didn't get credited for time served for his 'imprisonment' in Rio, it's worth noting. And his current bed is six foot under.
No, but I never claimed that Assange's voluntary confinement at the Ecuadorian embassy should be credited. His court-ordered effective house arrest in Norfolk is a different matter.

And thank you for the update on Biggs' health status.
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They did this by setting Assange up for a love, or rape trap in Sweden, rather like the Russian KGB used to do.
Being an Australian living in Sweden I think I can say with more experience and expertise than most that the "official" story is 100% completely and utterly plausible. I can also say Assange's failure to accept it as plausible is also 100% completely and utterly plausible.

No conspiracy needed, and not even incompetence is required.

Despite their similarities there are significant cultural differences between Australia and Sweden, and gender relations is absolutely one of them.
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Are you just trolling here?
I guess I misunderstood you. Perhaps you mean only the time he spent under house arrest until he absconded.

Perhaps that would be the case if he was convicted of something in the UK, however in this case he was under house arrest because he was fighting extradition for charges in Sweden, as I understand it. Had he gone to face those charges he would not have had any UK house arrest, so that was his choice, as well as time in the embassy.

So, no I don't think that time applies to anything in this case.
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The rape charge seems pretty weak. He's no Bill Cosby
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assang...tion_Authority
the whole issue seems to be his refusal to use a condom
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...assange-sweden
granted that it lands in the date rape category, it seems the woman could have kicked him in the butt and thrown him out at some point. She was aware she was having sex.
Him not using a consom was what lead to the allegation of molestation, that recently dropped due to statute of limitations. The allegation of rape was him having sex with a woman who was, at best, half-conscious.
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