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Old 16th September 2015, 03:09 AM   #1
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Kid re-wires clock, gets suspended from school for "bomb hoax"

Irving ISD student detained for invention resembling bomb

"IRVING – A MacArthur High School freshman said school officials overreacted and called police after mistakenly thinking his latest invention looked like a fake bomb.

Irving police detained 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed on Monday.

Officers said the clock and wires inside his Vaultz pencil case looked like a hoax bomb to them.

But Ahmed — an engineering student who has won awards for his inventions — said he created the clock over the weekend, and brought it to school to show an engineering teacher earlier in the day."


No reference to any "fake explosive," just wires and a digital clock.
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:19 AM   #2
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I favour the introduction of corporal punishment for stupid school officials.
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:22 AM   #3
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Can't help having the suspicion that perhaps he encouraged the idea of it being a bomb....

"Psssst! 'Ere mate, take a look at this.... made it last night..... could be fun later, you know?..... Keep it to yourself"

.... and then regretted it later.

Geez, I even googled the 'Vaultz Pencil Case"....they aint cheap!
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:28 AM   #4
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His name is Ahmed and he's studying engineering. That's two strikes. I don't suppose he wears a burka?
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:39 AM   #5
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The officers say it looked like a fake bomb to them? Presumably because a real bomb would not involve a digital clock? I'm not sure how to feel about this. A lot depends on what he was actually trying to achieve with the clock and what explanation he offered teachers / police. The school are saying it was in a briefcase and began making a noise when plugged into a wall. The police are saying Ahmed was passive aggressive and not giving any clear reason as to why he had it. His family are saying he was racially profiled.

Frankly it's not clear at the moment exactly what happened. Maybe Ahmed's completely innocent project was over reacted to by staff who just wouldn't listen to his perfectly reasonable explanation. Maybe he was angered by an unexpected reaction to his project and reacted in a way that seemed unreasonable to staff and police. More information required.
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:41 AM   #6
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His name is Ahmed and he's studying engineering. That's two strikes. I don't suppose he wears a burka?
If you mean the men's garment I think it has a different name(*), otherwise that would be 4 strike . She would be a women in addition to the other 3 strikes .


(*) I was told by moslem in my city that Burqa is mostly an older women garment, younger use most hijab, and chador.
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Old 16th September 2015, 03:55 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
If you mean the men's garment I think it has a different name(*), otherwise that would be 4 strike . She would be a women in addition to the other 3 strikes .


(*) I was told by moslem in my city that Burqa is mostly an older women garment, younger use most hijab, and chador.
One assumes Muslim men can make the same gender identity choices as anyone else. Statistically, 64% of the posters on this forum are wearing bra and panties under their "gender normal" outerwear. I don't judge them.
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Old 16th September 2015, 04:39 AM   #8
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In Hollywood bombs always have a clock or a countdown timer on them, in real life they have nothing of the sort.
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Old 16th September 2015, 04:53 AM   #9
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In Hollywood bombs always have a clock or a countdown timer on them, in real life they have nothing of the sort.
Yeah, but a kid might not know that when constructing a fake bomb.
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...Hate to say it, but yeah, that sounds about right. I'm reminded of that time Boston's mayor threw a fit over some Mooninite lite brites.

But as an engineer who did similar seemingly pointless experiments as a kid, it still infuriates me.
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In Hollywood bombs always have a clock or a countdown timer on them, in real life they have nothing of the sort.
Oh, c'mon now - You must have a couple of sticks of dynamite as well.

The clock is vital - how else can the hero stop the bomb just in time?

Surely this is how you know it's a real bomb?

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I eBayed a digital clock kit to put together with a six year old grand niece. Screen,IC, resistors, caps, transistor and circuit board. $2.76 delivered from China. Every thing but a battery holder. I planned on making one out of PVC pipe. I better not let her take it to school to show off.
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Old 16th September 2015, 05:35 AM   #14
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The article says that he is an engineering student who has won awards for his inventions. Surely the teachers know this kid. The reaction should have just been "Oh, there's Ahmed with one of his gadgets again. Ahmed, put that away. Now is not the time." But they acted like he was some stranger who showed up out of nowhere. Also, it says he had planned to show it to his engineering teacher. Didn't this teacher back him up?
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Old 16th September 2015, 05:47 AM   #15
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...Hate to say it, but yeah, that sounds about right. I'm reminded of that time Boston's mayor threw a fit over some Mooninite lite brites.

But as an engineer who did similar seemingly pointless experiments as a kid, it still infuriates me.
I used to get that for chemistry as a kid. Everything I made was seen by outsiders as "some sort of explosive/bomb." Unfortunate.
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Old 16th September 2015, 05:56 AM   #16
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I guess kids gonna have good laughs at the expense of the school officials now

Maybe Achmed could do some parody .. silence!
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Old 16th September 2015, 06:09 AM   #17
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I eBayed a digital clock kit to put together with a six year old grand niece. Screen,IC, resistors, caps, transistor and circuit board. $2.76 delivered from China. Every thing but a battery holder. I planned on making one out of PVC pipe. I better not let her take it to school to show off.
Well not having a name like Ahmed Mohamed is likely going to help keep her out of trouble.
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I used to get that for chemistry as a kid. Everything I made was seen by outsiders as "some sort of explosive/bomb." Unfortunate.
But weren't you actually making bombs?

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But weren't you actually making bombs?

I think this is the point where the attorneys tell me to "take the 5th" - whatever that means...
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Next science experiment: Ahmed removes the cathrode ray tube from an old television, school officials expel him because it looks like a nuclear enrichment device from the last season of 24.
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In a similar vein....Last week, we got a call about a student who was sitting in a room with a sword. The caller felt "threatened" by this.
We located the individual and discovered that the lad had one of these:
http://www.cgets.com/Broadsword-Umbr...aqfBoCY3_w_wcB

We thought it was really cool but advised the lad not to bring it school, especially the Social Work school where folks tend to be a bit overly-sensitive.
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He was "passive aggressive" they say.

My guess -

SchoolJerk: "why did you bring a fake bomb to school?"
StupidFreshman: "why do you think it's a bomb? What part do you think blows up?"
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In a similar vein....Last week, we got a call about a student who was sitting in a room with a sword. The caller felt "threatened" by this.
We located the individual and discovered that the lad had one of these:
http://www.cgets.com/Broadsword-Umbr...aqfBoCY3_w_wcB

We thought it was really cool but advised the lad not to bring it school, especially the Social Work school where folks tend to be a bit overly-sensitive.
It could have been worse - he could have brought the "Light-Sabre" one.
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The Dallas news reports that this 14 year old brought a clock he made to school to show his science teacher, who's advice to him was "don't show it to anyone else." And he didn't, until the alarm went off in English class. And somehow we go from teen bringing selfmade clock to school to a police officer opining "Yup, that's what I thought he'd look like" and leading him out of the school in cuffs and a three day suspension because (I'm guessing without a case over the innards) said clock looked like cartoon bomb.

People like this make me want to grab them and shake the common sense into them.

After encouraging Ahmed to keep up the good work.
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I think we should launch a kickstarter to buy him a breadboard and digital temp control soldering iron.
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In Hollywood bombs always have a clock or a countdown timer on them, in real life they have nothing of the sort.
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Yeah, but a kid might not know that when constructing a fake bomb.
Or a real one.
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The facebook page of the HS: https://www.facebook.com/MacArthur-H...2080/timeline/

I'd comment there if I had a facebook account, but I don't.
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It could have been worse - he could have brought the "Light-Sabre" one.
That is the TSA and Peter Mayhew.
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His name is Ahmed and he's studying engineering. That's two strikes. I don't suppose he wears a burka?
He's also brown-skinned. Strike Three! Off to Guantanamo!
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Here is the part which pisses me off the most:
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“We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” [police spokesman] McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.”

Asked what broader explanation the boy could have given, the spokesman explained:

“It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?”
Once they knew it was a nothing but a clock, "broader explanation" could only means "something we could charge him with". And I admire the kid keeping his cool and "maintaining it was a clock". Never give police a "broader explanation".
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Social media is reporting that the mayor of Irving is a virulent Islamophobe who is "outspokenly determined to prevent sharia law from destroying the US from within". I dont know whether this was a factor in the way that the police has conducted the case.

It's also interesting to me that the kid is accused of being "passive aggressive", is that code for not actually aggressive but sticking to his guns ?
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The facebook page of the HS: https://www.facebook.com/MacArthur-H...2080/timeline/

I'd comment there if I had a facebook account, but I don't.
Don't worry. Plenty of people have already posted random **** on your behalf.
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Well, what else can you expect from a town who makes an anti-muslim campaign based on a completely made up chain e-mail?
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The article says that he is an engineering student who has won awards for his inventions. Surely the teachers know this kid. The reaction should have just been "Oh, there's Ahmed with one of his gadgets again. Ahmed, put that away. Now is not the time." But they acted like he was some stranger who showed up out of nowhere. Also, it says he had planned to show it to his engineering teacher. Didn't this teacher back him up?

Probably not, or we'd be reading about the teacher being busted as an accessory to the crime.

And mebbe fired.
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“We have no information that he claimed it was a bomb,” [police spokesman] McLellan said. “He kept maintaining it was a clock, but there was no broader explanation.”

Asked what broader explanation the boy could have given, the spokesman explained:

“It could reasonably be mistaken as a device if left in a bathroom or under a car. The concern was, what was this thing built for? Do we take him into custody?”

Uhm... to tell time?
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It's also interesting to me that the kid is accused of being "passive aggressive", is that code for not actually aggressive but sticking to his guns ?
Or just being flustered and not knowing what to say to them beyond "it's a clock."
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Well not having a name like Ahmed Mohamed is likely going to help keep her out of trouble.
weeel, she is half blonde, half Vietnamese. So probably looks the part to a lot of people.

Good thing she is being home schooled.
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weeel, she is half blonde, half Vietnamese. So probably looks the part to a lot of people.

Good thing she is being home schooled.
An aesthetically potent genetic combination. I recommend a stout length of hickory for her dad to chase the boys away in a few years.
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An interview with the "suspect."
http://www.latimes.com/visuals/video...ddedvideo.html

Yep, I wanna buy him a soldering station. Anyone here with crowd funding experience? Seriously.
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No need to put him on the no-fly list. There has to be at least one Ahmed Mohamed on there already.
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