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Old 19th May 2017, 11:01 AM   #2121
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And yet here you are.
I'd be here talking about someone else.

In other words, I'd rather not be talking about THAT moron.

Should I use smaller words?
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Old 19th May 2017, 11:08 AM   #2122
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I don't know if I'd classify that as a "lie." He always said he had made the decision before the recommendation. Then he got the recommendation. So he can already have made up his mind and the Rosenstein memo just confirmed what he was already thinking.

My question: If Rosenstein already knew Trump was going to fire Comey, why did he then write a memo recommending the firing?

Rosenstein wrote the memo because Trump told him to make a case against Comey. He wrote one that argued that Comey treated Hillary unfairly. But Trump actually believes that Comey was too soft on Hillary. Trump used the memo anyway because he is an incompetent liar. For some reason, nobody believed Trump fired Comey for treating Hillary poorly.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:09 PM   #2123
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Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation

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“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:15 PM   #2124
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Trump told Russians that firing Comey takes the pressure off

Trump told Russians that Comey was crazy, firing him will end "great pressure," says NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/u...T.nav=top-news
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:17 PM   #2125
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What an idiot.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:18 PM   #2126
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Originally Posted by seayakin View Post
That's going to be subpoenaed. Unless I misunderstand the law. This seems like a slam dunk for obstruction. It's not even close. (Not that he will be impeached) Am I wrong? How?
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:21 PM   #2127
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Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
What an idiot.
I wish he was an idiot. But as others have pointed out, he always seems to come out ahead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.f979da9e0627

And Republicans have no principles.
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The G.O.P., by contrast, is one branch of a monolithic structure, movement conservatism, with a rigid ideology — tax cuts for the rich above all else.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/o...pgtype=article
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:21 PM   #2128
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Whether or not the beast is a bought-and-paid-for pawn of Russia, it's definitely spending way too much time talking to Russian representatives.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:29 PM   #2129
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
I wish he was an idiot. But as others have pointed out, he always seems to come out ahead.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.f979da9e0627
He's way out of his element.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:37 PM   #2130
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Trump told Russians that Comey was crazy, firing him will end "great pressure," says NYT:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/u...T.nav=top-news
Well, that answers one question: He really is stupid enough to think firing Comey would take the "great pressure" off (and stupid enough to brag about it). Anyway, it could be a very bad sign if Trump starts believing that his "enemies" are literally crazy.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:40 PM   #2131
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Good afternoon. The interesting thing is that the NYT has a transcript of that meeting. Did this come from the Russians?

In other news right now, The Washington Post is saying that a Current Senior White House Official is a "person of interest" in the investigation into the Russian connection.

Eta I see the article says the info came from a summary of the meeting however MSNBC said that the NYT had a transcript. Maybe, maybe not. In either case that info is very telling as to the mindset of President Trump.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:43 PM   #2132
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Good afternoon. The interesting thing is that the NYT has a transcript of that meeting. Did this come from the Russians?
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A transcript, not a recording. Both sides had note-takers, and multiple officials have access to the notes, which apparently at least one shared with the NYT, which then confirmed the contents with others.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:47 PM   #2133
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His inability to make simple future predictions of his actions, his rank amateurism of his political calculus....unbelievable.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:49 PM   #2134
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Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
I don't know if I'd classify that as a "lie." He always said he had made the decision before the recommendation. Then he got the recommendation. So he can already have made up his mind and the Rosenstein memo just confirmed what he was already thinking.
You have to look at the exact wording used in Trump's statements. Sure he could already have made up his mind, with the Justice memo providing further cover. Rosenstein didn't see it that way; he was incensed his memo was used to support firing. Silly boy.

Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
My question: If Rosenstein already knew Trump was going to fire Comey, why did he then write a memo recommending the firing?
The memo stopped short of recommending firing. IMO he was pretty much told to provide an accounting of Comey's errors, with the suggestion that Comey could either be fired or forgiven if he cooperated with a mea culpa, I'll never do it again response. (Plus knowing firing was a distinct possibility.)

I also think it's fair for Comey to say he wasn't asked (by the president) to halt the investigation of Flynn. "I hope you can find some way to lay this aside" (paraphrase) is not a question. Ditto in a fairly long-winded question about whether Justice had pressured him. I do wonder at Comey's use of proxies but he might have good reason for it.

At some point maybe we can look at indirect language and conclude there is no other possible meaning than the stronger "Trump asked Comey to drop the investigation." (my words)

Don't forget, most of these guys are lawyers. They get pretty good at ass-covering in the exact language used.

Except Sessions, lol.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:05 PM   #2135
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So 'Comey is a crazy nut job'. Crumbs.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:08 PM   #2136
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I find it amazing that he thought he could fire Comey without anybody caring and that without Comey the investigation would go away.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:11 PM   #2137
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I find it amazing that he thought he could fire Comey without anybody caring and that without Comey the investigation would go away.
He actually thought the Democrats would cheer the firing of Comey.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:14 PM   #2138
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Every day I think Trump can't do anything dumber, and then he says "hold my beer, I wanna try this thing I saw on YouTube".
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:18 PM   #2139
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I find it amazing that he thought he could fire Comey without anybody caring and that without Comey the investigation would go away.
He doesn't seem to grasp that reality exists independently of his perception.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:23 PM   #2140
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White House officials have told NBC News that they do not dispute the account as reported by the New York Times.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:26 PM   #2141
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Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
I wish he was an idiot. But as others have pointed out, he always seems to come out ahead.
Doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. He's the Forrest Gump of presidents...if you subtract the well-meaning naivete and replace it with an all-consuming narcissism driven by the hunger of a thousand collapsed stars.

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Old 19th May 2017, 01:30 PM   #2142
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Doesn't mean he isn't an idiot. He's the Forrest Gump of presidents if you subtract the well-meaning naivete and replace it will an all-consuming narcissism with the hunger of a thousand collapsed stars.
So, Forrest Gump if they had cast Val Kilmer instead of Tom Hanks.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:34 PM   #2143
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
So, Forrest Gump if they had cast Val Kilmer instead of Tom Hanks.
Damn, you're good.
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He's way out of his element.
Exactly. Trump-the-huckster can sell Trump university to naive nincompoops, but Washington is proving to be another type of environment. Sarah Palin won a governorship, and she became a national star as McCain's VP selection. Where is she now?
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
So, Forrest Gump if they had cast Val Kilmer instead of Tom Hanks.
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:41 PM   #2146
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I will take Trump at his word, that firing Comey took the pressure off him, or so he thought. That is obstruction of justice
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:42 PM   #2147
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Yes, that was indeed part of Noah's point.

One wouldn't say, "Believe me, I'd rather not be doing X," if one is not doing X.

Believe me, I'd rather not be explaining such basic concepts of communication.
Are you saying that if you had a choice, you would choose not to explain it?
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Old 19th May 2017, 01:50 PM   #2148
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Damn, you're good.
A goddamn national treasure.
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Originally Posted by NoahFence View Post
Believe me, we'd rather not be talking about this moron.

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And yet here you are.

Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Yes, that was indeed part of Noah's point.

One wouldn't say, "Believe me, I'd rather not be doing X," if one is not doing X.

Believe me, I'd rather not be explaining such basic concepts of communication.
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Are you saying that if you had a choice, you would choose not to explain it?
Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Noah Fence would rather there was a situation where the POTUS was not abnormal on a fractal level - both in lies and actions from the minor (getting more ice cream than his guests or lying about his inauguration crowd size) to the major (birtherism, trying to interfere with the FBI).

Similarly, phiwum would rather not explain such a simple concept, and its consequent derail, but they'd prefer that to the alternative of your rather silly question remaining unanswered.
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May have to nominate that exchange. Funny.
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May have to nominate that exchange. Funny.
You misspelled tiresome.
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You misspelled tiresome.
I didn't read it in nature, just that handy little summary.

If someone could go through and sum up all the goofy comments like that for me, that'd be great. Thanks.
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I want to know what the hell the President of the United States is doing discussing personnel issues or the FBI or US investigations of any kind with Russia?

If true, another example of how Trump is an idiot.
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Are you saying that if you had a choice, you would choose not to explain it?
I'm saying that a world in which I didn't find explanation practically necessary would be better than the world I find myself in.

"I'd rather not paint the bottom of my boat this year."

"Oh my, you mean you have no choice?"

Honestly, this kind of phrase is not all that uncommon. Why pretend that it's meaning is unclear? Yes, I could make a choice not to paint my boat, but I will paint it anyway, even though I say I'd rather not. All I mean is that, were the outcome roughly the same, I would choose not.

Anyway, I think pretending not to understand pretty standard English is a fine debate tactic. I agree, Trump is blameless in firing Comey. Good job!
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Trump Officials: ‘He Looks More and More Like a Complete Moron’

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Trump’s repeated media missteps have frustrated even longtime supporters. “Every day he looks more and more like a complete moron,” said one senior administration official who also worked on Trump’s campaign. “I can’t see Trump resigning or even being impeached, but at this point I wish he’d grow a brain and be the man that he sold himself as on the campaign.”

Asked whether an administration staff change-up would ameliorate this latest crisis, a Republican source formerly involved with a pro-Trump political group told The Daily Beast, “yes, if it comes with a frontal lobotomy for Trump.”

The consequences for Trump could be more dire than a staff shake-up, law enforcement sources suggested, however. Trump’s reported comments to the Russian officials could support allegations that he fired Comey in order to slow or put a stop to an investigation probing his campaign’s contacts with the Russian government—allegations that the White House vehemently denies.

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They're getting desperate.

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The Trump administration is exploring whether it can use an obscure ethics rule to undermine the special counsel investigation into ties between President Donald Trump's campaign team and Russia, two people familiar with White House thinking said on Friday.

Trump has said that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's hiring of former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel to lead the investigation "hurts our country terribly."

Within hours of Mueller's appointment on Wednesday, the White House began reviewing the Code of Federal Regulations, which restricts newly hired government lawyers from investigating their prior law firm’s clients for one year after their hiring, the sources said.

An executive order signed by Trump in January extended that period to two years.

Mueller's former law firm, WilmerHale, represents Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner, who met with a Russian bank executive in December, and the president's former campaign manager Paul Manafort, who is a subject of a federal investigation.

Legal experts said the ethics rule can be waived by the Justice Department, which appointed Mueller. He did not represent Kushner or Manafort directly at his former law firm.
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He's the most incompetent liar I've ever seen.
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He actually thought the Democrats would cheer the firing of Comey.
I think they are. Just not for the reasons he was thinking.
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The twitter fingers will be bleeding.
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