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Old 27th November 2018, 01:56 PM   #641
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Insanity that the deluded SAFIRE team have anything to do with Galileo.

This is Galileo Galilei.

This is the SAFIRE insanity in addition to his electric comet insanity. A propaganda video from delusional people should be ignored.
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Old 27th November 2018, 02:02 PM   #642
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Yup, sums it up.
Stupid insult by quote mining to derail from his electric comet insanity

jonesdave116 wrote what any rational person would write on reading the quote from M. A'Hearn:
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I have no idea. He was obviously referring to dust. There is no rock at comets. Not a single detection ever. If there was, you could point to that detection. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Your continued failure to point to any detection proves that you are just playing around with words from a scientist who has since died, and is in no position to defend what he said, or meant. Which is cowardly, but typical.

And who gives a toss what the mass fraction of ice is? Your idiotic high priests said it wasn't there! So, you were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be rock. You were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be electric discharges (lol). You were wrong, weren't you?
So, what are you still doing here? Because you were wrong. Weren't you?
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Old 27th November 2018, 02:08 PM   #643
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Comets are rocky objects and mainstream sciences understanding is slowly for some at least, evolving toward comets being mostly rock.
Usual insane insult that science is evolving toward his electric comet insanity

He is accusing astronomers of being insane enough to think that comets are actual rocks or mostly actual rock.
Michael A'Hearn was not insane. Marco Fulle is not insane.
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Old 27th November 2018, 02:13 PM   #644
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More dust/ices insanity to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is stupid to cite Deep Impact because we have already cited Deep Impact and the high ratio of dust to water in the ejecta. That and the dust/ices ratio of 6 at 67P is why astronomers are evolving toward a higher dust than ices ratio.
It is insane to cite Deep Impact because his cult prophets lie about the Deep Impact !

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Usual stupidity about a newspaper report to derail from his electric comet insanity.

He cannot even understand the title of what he cited: "fluffy balls of powder" !
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Old 27th November 2018, 02:24 PM   #646
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A large dust/ice ratio in the nucleus of comet 9P/Tempel 1.
More dust/ices insanity and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is stupid to cite Deep Impact because we have already cited Deep Impact and the high ratio of dust to water in the ejecta. That and the dust/ices ratio of 6 at 67P is why astronomers are evolving toward a higher dust than ices ratio.
It is insane to cite Deep Impact because his cult prophets lie about the Deep Impact !

An insane lie that the large dust/ice ratio in the comet 9P/Tempel 1 prevents a mechanism for the few main-belt asteroids that sometimes have comet-like activity. Asteroids are actual rock + dust and maybe rare patches of ices.

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Do comets have a hard outer shell, jd116?
Usual insane questions to derail from his electric comet insanity.

As in his previous post, this has been covered many times. MUPUS found a hard subsurface layer at 1 location consistent with sintered ices on 1 comet (comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko.
Thermal and mechanical properties of the near-surface layers of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko

Anyone who knows abut 67P knows that this is unlikely to be a "shell" given the variety of terrain. That includes depressions, pits and fissures that are deeper than the layer. The rational conclusion is that there can be areas on comets with subsurface layers of sintered ices under dust. We cannot tell the extent of these without more comet missions.
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Deep Impact Observations by OSIRIS Onboard the Rosetta Spacecraft
More dust/ices insanity and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is stupid to cite Deep Impact because we have already cited Deep Impact and the high ratio of dust to water in the ejecta. That and the dust/ices ratio of 6 at 67P is why astronomers are evolving toward a higher dust than ices ratio.
It is insane to cite Deep Impact because his cult prophets lie about the Deep Impact !
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Old 27th November 2018, 02:45 PM   #649
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Your using the Haser model to get Q
Repeated "Haser model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

As already explained, Q is an input to the Haser model. We measure or estimate the outgassing rate \Q.
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I have. Mainstream don’t have a model.
Insane "Mainstream don’t have a model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The mainstream has had a working, scientific model for comets for 70 years. A couple of measurements of more dust than ices means that we have scientific progress resulting in an updated model - something he is persistently deluded about !
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Yes, you are right they are not all rock just MOSTLY rock but really they are MOSTLY NOTHING at all just empty space.
Usual comets are actual rock insanity emphasized by the measurement that comets are mostly empty space.
The measured density of comets is less than water. Comet 67P has a measured d porosity of ~ 70%.
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Old 27th November 2018, 03:49 PM   #652
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Irrelevant. This is about the stupid electric comet model (lol). If you want to start a thread on real comets, then start one.
Ok.

The dirtysnowball model of comets is wrong even according to jd116 twisted reasoning.

80% nuff’n with the rest fluffy dust with a minor mass component of ice!

Except the bit MUPUS tried to hammer the penetratior (designed for the KNOWN AND EXPECTED mostly icy surface.

And the bit Philae bounced off and came to rest in.

Yeah except those bits.
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A insane "clueless " insult to derail from his electric comet insanity.

I have the scientific literature with over 70 years of empirical evidence and actual, working science as "clues" !

He has 12 years of blind faith in a deluded, lying cult's electric comet insanity (with a few personal touches) with no empirical evidence or working science. He is the one who is "still completely clueless clutching at straws".
Is your understanding evolving as well?

A’Hearn’s was, toward ROCK
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Insane "Mainstream don’t have a model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The mainstream has had a working, scientific model for comets for 70 years. A couple of measurements of more dust than ices means that we have scientific progress resulting in an updated model - something he is persistently deluded about !
A’Hearn was a scientist and he said mainstream understand is evolving toward mainly ROCK.

This is progress.


Deal with it.
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Insanity that the deluded SAFIRE team have anything to do with Galileo.

This is Galileo Galilei.

This is the SAFIRE insanity in addition to his electric comet insanity. A propaganda video from delusional people should be ignored.
Because they beat the mainstream and upset your Einsteinium universe???
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More dust/ices insanity and lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is stupid to cite Deep Impact because we have already cited Deep Impact and the high ratio of dust to water in the ejecta. That and the dust/ices ratio of 6 at 67P is why astronomers are evolving toward a higher dust than ices ratio.
It is insane to cite Deep Impact because his cult prophets lie about the Deep Impact !
No you seem to have misinterpreted A’Hearn, he stated evolving toward mainly ROCK.

ARE YOU CALLING HIM A LIAR?
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Repeated "Haser model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

As already explained, Q is an input to the Haser model. We measure or estimate the outgassing rate \Q.

Well that’s even worse.

Causing you to severely overestimate the “ice”
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The dirtysnowball model of comets is wrong even according to jd116 twisted reasoning.
Lies about jonesdave116's post to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 wrote what has been stated many times in this thread. This is a thread about the electric comet so the mainstream model is irrelevant !

Thus "Irrelevant. This is about the stupid electric comet model (lol). If you want to start a thread on real comets, then start one."
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A’Hearn’s was, toward ROCK
Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.
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A’Hearn was a scientist and he said mainstream understand is evolving toward mainly ROCK.
Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.
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Because they beat the mainstream and upset your Einsteinium universe???
Inane nonsense to derail from his SAFIRE insanity and electric comet insanity.

Anyone with a couple of brain cells can learn the physics that makes the SAFIRE project insane.

Anyone who can understand English knows that an unfinished , unpublished, and deluded project have not beat the mainstream model of the Sun that has been working and tested for the better part of a century.

Anyone with 1 brain cell knows that solar physics is not about a "Einsteinium universe". The basic insanity of the SAFIRE team is denying Newtonian gravitation and the gas laws that we have known about for at least 300 years .
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No you seem to have misinterpreted A’Hearn, he stated evolving toward mainly ROCK.
Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.
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I have no idea. He was obviously referring to dust. There is no rock at comets. Not a single detection ever. If there was, you could point to that detection. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Your continued failure to point to any detection proves that you are just playing around with words from a scientist who has since died, and is in no position to defend what he said, or meant. Which is cowardly, but typical.

And who gives a toss what the mass fraction of ice is? Your idiotic high priests said it wasn't there! So, you were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be rock. You were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be electric discharges (lol). You were wrong, weren't you?
So, what are you still doing here? Because you were wrong. Weren't you?
Are you having a tantrum, jd116?

Your completely clueless why your HIGH PRIEST said mainstreams knowledge of comets is evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK. One would assume he was up to speed on comets being composed of MOSTLY ICE with some dust as per your mainstream sublimating icydirtball!
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Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.
This is so so sweet!

No, A'Hearn most definitely said and meant ROCK!

As everyone can plainly see comets are ROCK!

Whipple had a good guess back in the day but A'Hearn knew something was not quite right from the STARDUST mission. How the hell do REFRACTORY minerals end up with ice?

ad hoc that's how!
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Causing you to severely overestimate the “ice”
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An insane "ice" lie and another "Haser model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Comets have ices as in that A’Hearn quote he has posted many times.
The Haser model is not used to estimate the amount of ices in a comet. the rate of outgassing (production rate) Q from those ices is an input. The way to get Q is to look at a comet and estimate the rate of outgassing and then plug that into the model. I suspect that this may be as simple as estimating the amount of gas in the comet coma and tail at a time, waiting and estimating again .
A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets (1985)
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An insane "ice" lie and another "Haser model" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Comets have ices as in that A’Hearn quote he has posted many times.
The Haser model is not used to estimate the amount of ices in a comet. the rate of outgassing (production rate) Q from those ices is an input. The way to get Q is to look at a comet and estimate the rate of outgassing and then plug that into the model. I suspect that this may be as simple as estimating the amount of gas in the comet coma and tail at a time, waiting and estimating again .
A re-evaluation of the Haser model scale lengths for comets (1985)

So then where does all this gas come from?




For simpletons, the ice of course!

You’ve got yourself by the tail...
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So then where does all this gas come from?
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We have been telling him for 9 years here that the ices on comets sublimate into gases. Astronomers measure the rate of outgassing from those ices to plug into the Haser model. That is not a measurement of the amount of ices in a comet as his simple mind thinks !

Even if astronomers take the measured outgassing and estimate the amount of ices that produced it with a different model, that has nothing to do with his electric comet insanity.

The current "overestimate of ices" insanity is obvious. What we have in the real world is an underestimate of the ratio of dust to ices in 2 comets. A child knows that this is either more dust or less ices than previously estimated.

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No, A'Hearn most definitely said and meant ROCK!
Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.
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Are you having a tantrum, jd116? ...
Insane "HIGH PRIEST" rant, lies and insults to detail from his electric comet insanity.

Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.

A’Hearn was an astronomer stating what every astronomer knows about comets. Two comets show that the dust/ices ratio is higher than expected and so we are evolving toward comets being mostly rock (not the insanity of actual rock but more dust).

The only person treating A’Hearn as a high priest is Sol88 with a manic obsession with a single A’Hearn quote . Rational people know that A’Hearn had a long career researching dust and ices comets and wrote many papers on dust and ices comets.
ETA: SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS) has 1150 abstracts with A'Hearn, Michael F. as an author!

I dare Sol88 to find a clear statement that comets are actual rocks in A’Hearn's papers (that is not the insanity that the word rock applied to dust and ices comets = actual rock) !
Types of Outbursts From 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, as Seen by Alice: Gas, Dust, Ice, and Hybrid
Investigating the physical properties of outbursts on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Ultraviolet Observations of Coronal Mass Ejection Impact on Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko by Rosetta Alice
Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs (Corrigendum)
Far-ultraviolet Spectroscopy of Recent Comets with the Cosmic Origins Spectrograph on the Hubble Space Telescope
Modeling the Deep Impact Near-nucleus Observations of H2O and CO2 in Comet 9P/Tempel 1 Using Asymmetric Spherical Coupled Escape Probability
Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs
Meter-scale thermal contraction crack polygons on the nucleus of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Modeling H2O and CO2 in Optically Thick Comets Using Asymmetric Spherical Coupled Escape Probability and Application to Comet C/2009 P1 Garradd Observations of CO, H2O, and CO2
FUV Spectral Signatures of Molecules and the Evolution of the Gaseous Coma of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Rosetta/Alice Measurements of Atomic and Molecular Abundances in the Coma of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Observations by the Rosetta-Alice Ultraviolet Spectrograph of a Coronal Mass Ejection Impact on Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko
Abundances and spatial distributions of H2O and CO2 at comet 9P/Tempel 1 during a natural outburst
Temporal Variations of Water Vapor in the Coma of 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko as Observed by Rosetta's Alice FUV Spectrograph
Spatial and Temporal Variations of Atomic Species in the Coma of Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko as Observed by Rosetta's ALICE UV Spectrograph during Great Circle Scans
Diurnal and seasonal variations of gas emissions in the inner coma of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko observed with OSIRIS/Rosetta

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Old 27th November 2018, 08:03 PM   #670
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Another spate of ~415 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 28 November 2018
Another spate of ~436 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 28 November 2018
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Old 27th November 2018, 09:01 PM   #671
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Insane "HIGH PRIEST" rant, lies and insults to detail from his electric comet insanity.

Repeats his insane accusation of A’Hearn believing that comets are actual ROCK as in his electric comet insanity.

A’Hearn was a scientist and he knew the composition of comets was dust and ices not actual rock.

A’Hearn was an astronomer stating what every astronomer knows about comets. Two comets show that the dust/ices ratio is higher than expected and so we are evolving toward comets being mostly rock (not the insanity of actual rock but more dust).

The only person treating A’Hearn as a high priest is Sol88 with a manic obsession with a single A’Hearn quote . Rational people know that A’Hearn had a long career researching dust and ices comets and wrote many papers on dust and ices comets.
ETA: SAO/NASA Astrophysics Data System (ADS) has 1150 abstracts with A'Hearn, Michael F. as an author!
Are you calling M.A'Hearn stupid?

because only someone not in control of their faculties would suggest the known composition of comets are MOSTLY ICE and DUST. Then go onto calling this same ice and dust ROCK.

The dude called an apple an apple, your still calling the apple a banana!

only the most stupid and deluded would read the following
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(c) What are comets made of?

At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].

Nevertheless, there is still considerable uncertainty about even this basic parameter, not least of which is that most measurements are subject to selection effects in removing refractories from the nucleus to the coma, where they are observed as dust.

And then think MA said rock he meant actual dust!
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Old 27th November 2018, 11:58 PM   #672
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Glowing Melt Droplets: Analysis of the
brightness of the central region in this arc indicates
that the initial brightness declined much too rapidly
to represent the expansion of a cloud of particles
reflecting sunlight.
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However, the observed
decline is consistent with blackbody radiation emitted
from a cloud of incandescent liquid droplets
expanding at a radial velocity of 1.7 km/sec
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The continuous curve shown is the
brightness expected in the clear filter passband of the
MRI camera system from a 4000 kg cloud of 160 μm
diameter incandescent spherical liquid silicate
droplets, density 2500 kg/m3, expanding at a radial
velocity of 1.7 km/sec.
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Assuming an
albedo of 0.1, appropriate for mafic silicate liquids,
the total mass of the droplets was about 4000 kg.
Because this is 10 times the mass of the impactor, we
assume that the glowing material originated mainly
from the comet and is thus probably silicate in
composition. The delay in the peak brightness may
represent the
DEEP IMPACT: THE FIRST SECOND. H. J. Melosh


Oh Oh and Wal Thornhills prediction that there would be two flashes!

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“The major surprise was the opacity of the plume the impactor created and the light it gave off,” said Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A’Hearn of the University of Maryland, College Park. “That suggests the dust excavated from the comet’s surface was extremely fine, more like talcum powder than beach sand. And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets – an ice cube.”
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Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A’Hearn SAID
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And the surface is definitely not what most people think of when they think of comets – an ice cube.”
So i'm more than certain he knew what he was talking about and most defiantly new the difference between ICE, DUST and ROCK.

Mmmm...yup ROCK! Even

Why deride the poor bloke? He did he's best and you should take he's paper and heed it!
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:18 AM   #673
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This is so so sweet!

No, A'Hearn most definitely said and meant ROCK!

As everyone can plainly see comets are ROCK!
So where is it you LIAR?

Point to the detection, or quit LYING.

Can't do it, can you? Pathetic.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:20 AM   #674
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Lies about jonesdave116's post to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 wrote what has been stated many times in this thread. This is a thread about the electric comet so the mainstream model is irrelevant !

Thus "Irrelevant. This is about the stupid electric comet model (lol). If you want to start a thread on real comets, then start one."

It's not irrelevent except by those that wish to suppress instead of evolve!

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In stark contrast to NASA scientists, who seem to be perpetually surprised, the adherents of an electrical model of comets have seen many of the quite specific predictions satisfied. How many surprises and disconfirmations of cherished beliefs about comets will it require before a fundamental rethink occurs, instead of mere revision of old ideas? Science works best when there is a plurality of ideas. The present establishment monoculture of ideas is crippling scientific progress.

Wal Thornhill
Could not have said it better myself.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:22 AM   #675
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And then think MA said rock he meant actual dust!
Want me to email any of A'Hearn's colleagues, you pathetic LIAR?

Just point to the detection of rock. Simple.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:23 AM   #676
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
So where is it you LIAR?

Point to the detection, or quit LYING.

Can't do it, can you? Pathetic.
Settle Gretel or your gunna blow a poop-it valve!

I'm not lying just QUOTING Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A’Hearn's statement.

OUR understanding IS evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK!

Cant handle the truth or are you calling Deep Impact Principal Investigator Dr. Michael A’Hearn a liar?

Fair shake of sauce bottle champ.

You get shown papers that shatters your world view and a tantrum will ensue.

How many kg excavated in the deep impact?
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:24 AM   #677
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Could not have said it better myself.
We know you couldn't, as you are as scientifically illiterate and dishonest as the LYING idiot Thornhill.
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:27 AM   #678
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OUR understanding IS evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK!
Where he clearly meant dust, as that is what the two papers he referenced found.

Stop LYING, you pathetic creature..
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Old 28th November 2018, 01:28 AM   #679
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So what shall we do sweetie?
You could start by downloading some data and doing your own analyses. Or you could sign up for an online course in basic physics, and work your way to a basic understanding of plasma physics. Had you done either of those things 12 years ago, we might now be having an intelligent discussion.

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Not much I can do until it's excepted that electricity "does stuff" in space.

I'd put my money on LINDKVIST'S new paper.

have you read it?

on another note, do you agree or disagree with M.A'Hearn statement that cometary nuclei are MOSTLY ROCK?

If disagree, why?
How about you not use the logical fallacy, Argument from Authority?

As I have already said, the relevant data are consistent with at least some comets being “mostly space”. This is inconsistent with your Electric Comet idea. You think otherwise? Do the analyses to show it!
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I take it you read DEEP IMPACT: THE FIRST SECOND. H. J. Melosh ?
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