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Old 9th March 2017, 04:39 PM   #1
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Aaron Hernandez 2nd Murder Trial - Kooky Witness

I've been watching recordings of the current Aaron Hernandez double homicide trial, trying to get myself caught up. I am currently watching testimony from three days ago. In this video, a street sweeper for the city of Boston is being questioned. The jury is not present.

The witness is obviously hostile. He is extremely fidgety and mumbles during much of his testimony. He acts almost as if he is on drugs (I'm not saying he is on drugs). If I was one of the prosecuting attorneys, I would be flummoxed as to how I might handle this witness in the presence of the jury, or if I would call him before the jury at all.

Specifically, how should the prosecutors handle this witness? Should he be put on the stand in front of the jury? Any thoughts? What would you do? In general, how should attorneys handle hostile witnesses?
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Old 9th March 2017, 05:53 PM   #2
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So much for "The Patriot Way".
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Old 12th March 2017, 08:49 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
So much for "The Patriot Way".
Yeah, because the Patriots should have been able to tell the future and know he was going to start murdering people. Shucks, since it's so easy I'm surprised anyone ever murders anybody -- just gaze into the crystal ball and stop them!

And before tossing out that overworn meme "But they knew he was a former gangbanger in college!" so beloved of haters, take a look at any NFL team (or pretty much any professional sports team anywhere) and try to find a single roster that doesn't have a shady past or ten among its players.

(I guess now that the so-called "gates" have been so completely and utterly debunked, all the haters have left to throw anymore is Hernandez. I'm sure he'll be great consolation as they endure another Patriot playoff run this year...and next...and next...)
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Old 12th March 2017, 10:03 AM   #4
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I don't think the prosecutors really need to worry about handling this witness. The defense calling him, I believe would only bolster their case in the eyes of the jury in the same way Shayanna Jenkins did in his first trial. The consensus after the case was she simply wasn't believable, I think they will view him the same way.
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Originally Posted by DGM View Post
I don't think the prosecutors really need to worry about handling this witness. The defense calling him, I believe would only bolster their case in the eyes of the jury in the same way Shayanna Jenkins did in his first trial. The consensus after the case was she simply wasn't believable, I think they will view him the same way.
I realize the scope of this thread is narrow, perhaps too narrow. If people want to talk about more than just this witness, please feel free. Let's open it up to include the rest of the trial, no problem. That being said, it would be nice to steer away from football and the Patriots, if possible, and focus more on the evilness and trial of this serial killer.

I've watched many high-profile murder cases and can't remember a witness quite like the one linked in the OP. I was intrigued. He has a real problem with authority figures. He feels disrespected by the police, the prosecutors, the judge, and other court officials. He seems really put out by having to appear and offer testimony. His body language and fidgetiness also clearly demonstrate his hostility. He did seem much more receptive to Jose Baez. I was curious how others perceived his court demeanor and how it might impact a jury, thus this thread.

Also, this guy has one of the thickest Boston accents I've ever heard. At times, he is really tough to understand. If you want a lesson in northeast coastal dialects, this guy is your man.

DGM, I expect Baez will let this guy rail on in front of the jury. It sounds like your take on it is the jury won't believe him and therefore the prosecutor won't need to do much to impeach his accusations of police harassment.
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It is looking more and more like the kooky witness will take the stand in front of the jury after all. Currently, one of the main detectives is on the stand and is being cross-examined by Baez. Baez is asking him about the kooky witness. The detective will be one of the final witnesses for the prosecution. I feel the prosecution is close to resting. My guess is the kooky guy will be one of the first witnesses called by the defense. We might hear from the kooky guy as early as this afternoon.

As it turns out, there have been many "kooky" witnesses in this trial. The guys travelling in the car with Hernandez and Bradley when Bradley was shot in the face by Hernandez in Florida are real gems. They were granted immunity for their truthful testimony, but their testimony was anything but forthright and truthful, in my opinion. And then there is Shayanna Jenkins who was, much like her performance in the Odin Lloyd trial, less than forthright in this trial.

There is little doubt in my mind that Hernandez is guilty of killing the two gentlemen in Boston. However, this is a tougher case than the Odin Lloyd case and I believe the chances of convicting Hernandez in this current case stand at 50/50.
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Dumb All Over,

I am very interested in high profile murder cases too.
Do you have any suggestions about what to read or watch about Hernandez and
his trial?

I seem to remember a documentary I watched, but it is a distant memory now.

Thank you.
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After watching just a few minutes of the Boston streetsweeper, I want some drugs.
Something calming, like xanax.
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snoop_doxie, other than the trial itself, I don't recall much worth watching. The first trial where he was found guilty of killing Odin Lloyd was very, very interesting. Even though the evidence was by and large circumstantial, it was strong and convincing enough to convict him. It also opened the door to try him for the double homicide in the current trial.

If you have lots of extra time then I would suggest watching the first trial. It is long, though. The fun bits are the video evidence and the testimony of his fiancée, Shayanna.
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Thank you, I will check them out. Lots of trial testimony when I looked up the you tube on the street sweeper.
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Kooky street sweeper guy just took the stand, called by the defense...

ETA - Well, that was quite a different performance than what we saw in the video from the OP. Just goes to show how important witness prep can be. McMaster cleaned up his act. He sported a new haircut and was not as outwardly hostile this time around. This time he was only slightly kooky.
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Aaron Hernandez did it. He really did.

But yesterday, the jury found him not guilty of the double homicide.

Nevertheless, he will remain in prison for the rest of his life for murdering Odin Lloyd.
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Nevertheless, he will remain in prison for the rest of his life for murdering Odin Lloyd.
I may have spoken too soon. Jose Baez seems to think Aaron Hernandez can win an appeal of the original conviction. Mr. Baez sounds like he is up to the challenge if hired by Hernandez.

Story here.
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CNN reports that Hernandez has committed suicide in prison.
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CNN reports that Hernandez has committed suicide in prison.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...NVJ/story.html

kinda bizarre he went through with the second trial if this was his intention.
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Nevertheless, he will remain in prison for the rest of his life for murdering Odin Lloyd.
He certainly did that...
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Wow, just wow.
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I'm not sure how long he's going to hang around.
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Maybe this is the revenge Alexander Bradley had in mind all along.
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I figure it was a reaction to Jose Baez's bill..............
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Aaron Hernandez was murdered by a serial killer.
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Well, he is now basically innocent of the first murder too, under Mass law. Since he died before he could appeal it, the state will vacate that conviction.

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In the state of Massachusetts, Hernandez technically died an innocent man due to the legal principle of abatement ab initio, where if a person dies and has not exhausted all legal appeals, the case reverts to its status at the beginning; so the person becomes innocent. Hernandez had an appeal pending for his 2014 conviction in the murder of Odin Lloyd.
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And the inevitable conspiracy theories start....

http://www.complex.com/sports/2017/0...mitted-suicide
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DailyMail reports that before hanging himself, he wrote the John 3:16 verse on his forehead in red marker and also smoked synthetic marijuana (K2). A bible in his cell was opened to that verse. Unconfirmed.
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DailyMail reports that before hanging himself, he wrote the John 3:16 verse on his forehead in red marker and also smoked synthetic marijuana (K2). A bible in his cell was opened to that verse. Unconfirmed.
Interesting. I wonder where he got the idea from.

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Another young black man destroyed by the system.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
DailyMail reports that before hanging himself, he wrote the John 3:16 verse on his forehead in red marker and also smoked synthetic marijuana (K2). A bible in his cell was opened to that verse. Unconfirmed.
Anyone think I might have been accidental?

There's some weird fascination with auto-eroticism involving asphyxiation.

No first-hand knowledge - at the Police Academy we had a rep from the Medical Examiners office show us some slides of accidental deaths from such things gone wrong.

Just a thought.
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Anyone think I might have been accidental?

There's some weird fascination with auto-eroticism involving asphyxiation.

No first-hand knowledge - at the Police Academy we had a rep from the Medical Examiners office show us some slides of accidental deaths from such things gone wrong.

Just a thought.
That would depend on whether the facility had female guards. Any exposure is disciplined, so not worth the risk as I understand it.

Here is a true story of the dangers inherent in this exercise.

After tying him up, she left Plumley-Walker alone in the room of the makeshift bondage and discipline chamber for about 20 minutes while she and her then boyfriend, Neville Walker, had a coffee and cigarette.

When she returned, he was unconscious.


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Well, he is now basically innocent of the first murder too, under Mass law. Since he died before he could appeal it, the state will vacate that conviction.

Wiki and lots of other sources:
You know, if I knew I was guilty, but was aware of that tidbit, and had nothing to lose, then to make it far more harder for civil lawsuit against me, I would probably do the same. Any civil lawsuit cannot now use the guilty verdict.
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Well, he is now basically innocent of the first murder too, under Mass law.
Well, it would be more accurate to say, "Not Guilty".

"Innocent" is not a verdict our court system is designed to render.

It makes sense that if one has not been adjudicated guilty, or has not exhausted all appeals, that "not guilty" might be a logical result upon the defendant's demise.
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Well, he is now basically innocent of the first murder too, under Mass law. Since he died before he could appeal it, the state will vacate that conviction.
Which means the real killer is still out there.
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Rolling Stone did quite a good piece about Hernandez back in 2013. Good reading if you're interested in this case.

http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/...-in-the-huddle
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I see his "defense team" looking at a new cash cow:

http://whdh.com/news/aaron-hernandez...es-to-science/

The NFL didn't recognize his poor clients brain injury?
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Old 20th April 2017, 05:24 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by FenerFan View Post
Rolling Stone did quite a good piece about Hernandez back in 2013. Good reading if you're interested in this case.

http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/...-in-the-huddle
Thanks for that ripping yarn FenerFan.
It pretty well covers the history.
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