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8th October 2010, 01:07 PM | #41 |
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Well, the role of coincidence is something I'm grasping for, but if I was sure that's all it was, I probably wouldn't be posting it. That last bit about Yugoslavia has me sliding back into the woo - I was just wondering if there was any evidence for Abu Elias being in Bosnia once, and hence the Bushnaq name and details. Right there, we see he was in Yugoslavia anyway.
Of course, it's a bout a private citizen, and if he's innocent, then it is just weird. But if the accusations are true ... should I hope for coincidence or not? I want to be right, but not to disappear. For the record, here's the video of his naming and a follow-up interview with Ms. Grahame.
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8th October 2010, 01:40 PM | #42 |
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I think comment is lacking because you have far more information about this than anyone else, so informed comment is very difficult. Also, even if there is all sorts of shady stuff connected to your investigations, if the subject has any brains, he'll know that ignoring you is the best way to deal with it. Anything else only risks disseminating the allegations.
One day, I'll see if I can find the opportunity to ask Christine about it. Rolfe. |
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9th October 2010, 02:51 AM | #43 |
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Oh, for sure. But there really aren't that many parts of coincidence I've found. I've mentioned most if not all of them by now, and I think given each link as it came on-line. For general reference, All posts tagged Abu Elias
It's definitely conspiracy theory stuff, and highly speculative. That said, it's highly intriguing at least to me. If anyone else would take the time to review, I could use some outside perspective obviously. Maybe a debunk from someone so inclined? You can't prove someone wasn't someone, but you could look over the coincidences, look for inconsistencies, uncertainties and highlight these with logic to help us get a more balanced view.
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You know, I'm sure my right-brain forays like this are a bit nuts, since all these patterns keep tying in with a movie as well. The Usual Suspects (1995). Just briefly let me lay out the parallels, all verbal: Keyser (Kaiser) Soze --> Khaisar Haddad (Abu Elias) Kobayashi --> Kubaissi Jack Baer, FBI --> Robert Baer, CIA Verbal Kint --> Verbal clues/hints? Quartet, Skokie Illinois = the clue I would have been able to catch the villain with if I'd bee agent Kujan. I notice these things, thanks to that movie. Apparently I notice them too much? But something else had Megrahi, his legal team, and Ms. Grahame pretty confident of the same thing these clues suggest, so that's a boost in its favor... |
10th October 2010, 01:16 AM | #44 |
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I figure I could explain the latest bit to fall into place, I admit with more vagueness than in other spots.
As we've established, the name Bushnaq is Arabic for Bosnian/Bosniac, and also noteworthy for containing Bush. (BTW - I can't find any records for this name prior to June 2001). First thing is from his Facebook page, where he cites his favorite politicians - Reagan, McCain, Palin... no Bush. His "About me" is only about his name, and why it has Bush in it.
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So I look up the family name Lakisic in relation to Mostar. There's a town, Lakišić Kula, 16.5 km from Mostar. [source] There seem to be people of that family name around, at least one living in Mostar. And there's a link centered around a mosque (Basel's grandpa's?) "Hadji-Ahmed aga Lakisic Mosque in Mostar, [built] 1650, was heavily damaged in May, 1992." [source] This is listed among Serbian war crimes there. One interesting report on the conflict between Muslim separatists and Serb forces mentions that "the PFLP-GC had networks and offices in Yugoslavia that also housed HizbAllah operatives." The same report, by Bodiansky and Forrest (reputable?), also states some of the foreign terrorists engaged in false-flag attacks on Muslim civilians, and heinous ones, designed "to win world sympathy and military intervention." It cites these as beginning in May 1992. So knowing some of this, and that last report is something I can't vouch for, and while Basel says he's never been to Bosnia, I had to wonder if Abu Elias ever was there. That's where Pierre Salinger comes in. That's already in the thread, but just to recap, he says he learned of Abu Elias from his own interview with Khreesat. He followed some lead he couldn't recall to Yugoslavia where he secured from the government there documents relating to the operative. He turned these over to Sandy Berger and the National Security Council, after which they became inaccessible and are most likely officially denied. Salinger's got a bad track record, but in this case, I tend to think the papers do exist and show, at the very least, that our mysterious fugitive was in Yugoslavia after, and perhaps before Lockerbie. They might even show he was in Bosnia in 1992, around the time the Lakisic mosque in Mostar was bombed, but that clearly is just speculation. My imagined "Quartet, Skokie Illinois" clue, at least for the moment. Other bits I'd forgotten: Marquise, SCOTBOM: "Elias was supposed to have been in Yugoslavia the previous month, but failed to appear." (Khreesat had been sent there prior to Germany) Marshman's report (partial, re-created from transcripts): No exact explanation, but it seems the trip was to meet with Abu Elias. "Khreesat did not know the function of Abu Elias in Yugoslavia, nor did he know the purpose of the meeting that was to be held in Yugoslavia." |
13th February 2011, 03:47 AM | #45 |
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One more addition I somehow missed before. David Leppard mentioned Abu Elias at the end of On the Trail of Terror.
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In fact, Leppard's context for bringing Abu Elias in is rather unique:
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12th June 2011, 11:32 AM | #46 |
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U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency memo (9/24/89) Does anyone have a copy of the original document? I realize it's available through U.S. F.O.I.A. channels, but I seem to recall it may have been produced to the Scottish Appeals court. I've been looking at the Iranians more and more- specifically Ali-Akbar (Mohtashemi-Pur), the former Iranian minister of Interior.
If anyone has a source ofr original documents, please PM me. Thanks in advance. |
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16th June 2011, 03:40 AM | #47 |
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Sorry I missed this. I have a PDF of DIA cables, heavily redacted. It seems out of order, but with some looking, there's one dated 890924. I've read it before and cited it, says he paid out $1 mil to blow up PA 103. No one now denies this, just that it mattered. They quit after Autumn Leaves, it's believed, and the Libyans did their own thing instead.
This may be a PDF link - the text came up in a Google search. Patrick Haseldine pastes the whole text (?) into a comment here, also. |
28th June 2011, 02:23 PM | #48 |
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I've more or less convinced myself that Abu Elias is a Nom de Guerre, or a way of referring to the lead of the gang. Yugoslavia in the late 1980s was politically falling apart. Slovenia were first off the mark in 1987, Croatia not far behind and on it went into the 1990s with Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovena, at which point the 'outside' world started paying attention. So, by the time Kreeshat's trying to hook-up with the Big Man there's a country right on the brink. Agencies from everywhere would be all over it. Nothing like a bit of chaos to further a nation's interests in. The Intel must have been a nightmare. If the Yugoslav whispers were a bit more locale specific, we'd maybe have a slight glimmer of a chance of maybe figuring out something important. Bushnaq, though, says something specific about a person's heritage. I've yet to convince myself that a new identity with such an obvious link to the bad old days is a smart thing to do. CTB |
28th June 2011, 04:17 PM | #49 |
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Indeed. The PLO said his birth name was Kaisar Haddad.
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But that doesn't mean it can't, or that someone wouldn't, and if this is all coincidence, it's pretty damn steep. For craps and giggles at least, I'm going with stupid move and seeing where it goes. |
28th June 2011, 04:51 PM | #50 |
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Which comes across to me as another way of saying The Big Man. I wonder if that person is chosen when the 'job' gets puts together. Considering how much is known about all the other shady b'st'rds I find that this guy being a complete mystery is unusual. Fair play to ya! A bit of far-out pondering's worthwhile of itself. Just mind and come back. good luck. CTB |
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