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Old 17th June 2018, 05:34 PM   #1801
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump claims that stopping the military exercises was all his idea, possibly to argue against the "Kim got everything he wanted" narrative:



Linky.

But maybe there is a grain of truth, because aside from North Korea and China, we already know that another country wanted the exercises to stop:



Linky.
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservatives here if Obama said military training (not "war games") was too expensive?
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Old 17th June 2018, 05:45 PM   #1802
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservatives here if Obama said military training (not "war games") was too expensive?
Why would we need to? There were lots of criticisms of Obama based on the fact that the military and overall military spending decreased under Obama, some more true than others.
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Old 17th June 2018, 06:02 PM   #1803
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservatives here if Obama said military training (not "war games") was too expensive?
We already know. A respected conservative claimed that, under Obama, such useless exercises would have happened every week.

You know, not that Obama actually did so, but he would have.
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Old 17th June 2018, 07:57 PM   #1804
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Can you imagine the outrage from the conservatives here if Obama said military training (not "war games") was too expensive?


I'm more concerned about Trump's statement that they are "provocative", than his claims about the costs. Because that's literally the exact line that NK has been pushing for years, and if/when the joint exercises resume, NK will be able to literally quote a US President agreeing with their interpretation of these exercises.

At some point, if we are to normalize relationships with NK, these exercises will have to stop, but before that point, playing into NK propaganda is a bad idea.
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Old 17th June 2018, 08:34 PM   #1805
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'm more concerned about Trump's statement that they are "provocative", than his claims about the costs. Because that's literally the exact line that NK has been pushing for years, and if/when the joint exercises resume, NK will be able to literally quote a US President agreeing with their interpretation of these exercises.

At some point, if we are to normalize relationships with NK, these exercises will have to stop, but before that point, playing into NK propaganda is a bad idea.
Why would the exercises have to stop? The US takes part in lots of joint exercises in the area. Remember them uninviting China from one a couple of months ago? They also have exercises in Southeast Asia.

If relations "normalize", the concentration becomes "anonymous threats" and they invite China back into the games in one role or another, and L'il Kim, if he's not too busy murdering his relatives and people who looked at him funny, can get some sort of role, too.

The "provocation" part is not just from Kim. That's been in editorials in Pravda and the People's Daily for years. The exercises have only recently been to show a few things to Kim. They've generally been Shock-and-Awe-Lite for Russian and Chinese consumption. He is actually parroting Russia, China and North Korea while smacking Japan and South Korea for not seeing the big orange picture.
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Old 17th June 2018, 10:03 PM   #1806
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'm more concerned about Trump's statement that they are "provocative", than his claims about the costs. Because that's literally the exact line that NK has been pushing for years, and if/when the joint exercises resume, NK will be able to literally quote a US President agreeing with their interpretation of these exercises.

At some point, if we are to normalize relationships with NK, these exercises will have to stop, but before that point, playing into NK propaganda is a bad idea.
It is probably one and only single thing I have ever agreed with Trump on.

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Old 17th June 2018, 10:37 PM   #1807
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There is no visible indication that North Korea has begun dismantling missile launch sites as reportedly promised, according to satellite imagery shared by 38 North.

The program, hosted by the U.S.-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, analyzed and posted imagery of the known locations of North Korea’s missile launch facilities on Thursday and Friday. According to the analysis, 38 North reported that it could not identify “any activity associated with the dismantlement” at any testing sites.

There are six known launch and engine testing facilities as well as two eject test stands scattered throughout North Korea.

"Of these facilities and test stands, it is likely that President [Donald] Trump’s comment on June 12 regarding the destruction of a '… major missile engine testing site' was not referring to either the Iha-ri test stand—which was razed in May—or the Sinpo South Shipyard test stand that has not been used in approximately a year. And contrary to the president’s statement, both sites have been solely used for ejection tests, not engine tests or launches," the report indicated.
Linky.

They must not be subscribed to Trumps Twitter feed.
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Kim Jong Un in China for third time in three months for post-summit discussions.
He is there 2 days.

In recent NK state media:

-China is the new bff. "Happy Birthday Xi!, Love from KJU" (even though Chinese leaders birthdays are supposed to be secret)
-Capitalism is still so very very bad. It's like a dictatorship that ruins lives. Total failure.
-Socialism is the only proven way to true freedom and happiness. Ideal way of life.
-China's 'caplitalism-lite', however, is just communism with prosperity and is kinda great.
-The 'new era' references are plentiful but no explanation of what it actually means.

One odd thing I noticed is that DPRK media responds to specific accusations and opinions from western media (the "reptiles"!) and responds with a rebuttal. CNN, Fox, and CBS were called out by name on one of them on May 29 about how NK just wants foreign aid from the summit. This tell me that a sizable portion of people in NK are getting some of this banned news.
Otherwise, why bring up anti-DPRK claims if the people hadn't heard it in the first place?
They don't need to use the state media in order send these messages to the rest of the world.
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