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Old 16th May 2019, 02:39 AM   #1241
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Bob Hawke has just died.
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Old 16th May 2019, 04:13 AM   #1242
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Originally Posted by Damien Evans View Post
Bob Hawke has just died.
One of the last of the political larrikins.

And that's the end of an amazingly interesting era in Australian politics. Not necessarily the best era, but certainly one of the most interesting.
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:58 AM   #1243
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He and Keating were the best leadership team Australia has seen. (Psion, your disagreement is noted).

Bob, you were a source of inspiration and optimism.
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Tony Abbot’s immediate press release on Bob Hawke’s passing showed what a 24 carat pissant he is. It will make my evening if he loses his seat.
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Old 16th May 2019, 06:53 AM   #1245
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
(Psion, your disagreement is noted).
Placing Bob Hawke and Paul Keating in the same category is a massive insult to Bob Hawke's memory.
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Old 16th May 2019, 08:00 AM   #1246
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Tony Abbot’s immediate press release on Bob Hawke’s passing showed what a 24 carat pissant he is. It will make my evening if he loses his seat.
Agreed.
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Old 16th May 2019, 01:57 PM   #1247
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Tony Abbot’s immediate press release on Bob Hawke’s passing showed what a 24 carat pissant he is. It will make my evening if he loses his seat.

Certainly didn't seem to win any hearts with it. Almost exclusively negative responses to his tweet I read.
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Old 16th May 2019, 03:26 PM   #1248
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Just reading the list of political parties in Australia today. There are 54 in the list published by the ABC!

Some of the parties are obscure single issue ones like the "Help End Marijuana Prohibition Party". As I was reading the list I wouldn't have been surprised to see something like the "Winos Party", (I could go for this one.).

The names of the parties are deceptive. For example there is the "Love Australia or Leave Party", which I assumed would have a white anglo tone, with an agenda to tell different cultures or coloureds, to piss off back to where they came from.

I was mistaken however as they have the following listed as the planks of their platform:

- Preservation of democracy in Australia
- Freedom of Speech
- Maintenance of a defence force .....

Can't see how the party name implies this.

Pleased to see a "Secular Party" listed with an agenda to get the religious out of schools and such. I might join this one.
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Careful about the Sustainable Australia party - they're anti-immigration racists. And the Health Australia party - they're anti-vaxers.
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:08 PM   #1250
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Streem, a media monitoring company, has taken a look at the top 10 words used by Scott Morrison and Bill Shorten during the campaign.

And if you needed any further proof that the Coalition has based its campaign around Labor, take a look at the top four words used by both Morrison and Shorten.

Morrison: Shorten:

Labor Labor

Government Government

People People

Australia Australia

Australians Tax

Shorten Australians

Economy Change

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Australian Morrison

Streem also found that Morrison was 71% more likely to mention the opposing party in his speeches and press conferences.
Usual source.
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:34 PM   #1251
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Careful about the Sustainable Australia party - they're anti-immigration racists. And the Health Australia party - they're anti-vaxers.

Yes I can see the anti-vaxer angle in the "Health Australia Party" "Who Are They" decription but the anti-immigration angle in the "Sustainable Australia Party" is a bit hidden.

I just joined the "Secular Party of Australia". These look like my kind of people.
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Old 16th May 2019, 05:51 PM   #1252
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Say what you will, he's laser-focused.

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Tony Abbott has been pressed on his original statement on Bob Hawke’s passing – where he seemed to want the Liberals to take credit for his prime ministerial achievements by saying he had a “Labor heart”, but a “Liberal head”.

That statement was widely condemned, coming as it did, just hours after the news broke Hawke had passed. But Abbott had his talking points for today and he wasn’t going off-script. Asked four times if he regrets his statement, Abbott gave the same line.

“I’m just going to focus on campaigning, if that’s OK,” Abbott said as he left his office.

Question: Would you respond to the claims that you used that statement as political point-scoring?

Abbott: Look, uh, he was a wonderful prime minister. And he is rightly mourned by everyone today.

Question: (Would you reword what you said?)

Abbott: Look, as I said, he was a really good prime minister. I think he was the best Labor prime minister ever.

Question: You wouldn’t change anything about the statement?

Abbott: He was the best Labor prime minister ever. And the challenge for all of us is to be worthy of the greats of the past. And that’s what I certainly hope to do.

Question: So, you don’t want to make any further comment on the statement?

Abbott: As I said, he was a great prime minister.

Question: Was it appropriate, though? Was it an appropriate comment?

Abbott: Look, Bob Hawke was a great prime minister, no doubt about that. I think he was the best Labor prime minister ever.

Question: But the partisan nature of your initial comments has been criticised. Do you stand by them?

Abbott: I think that he was the best Labor prime minister ever, and I think we were very lucky to have him.

Question: Are you worried today is going to be your final day as member for Warringah?

Abbott: Look, I’m doing my best to make sure that this is just another election, in a long public life.
Do I really need to say "usual source" again?
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Old 16th May 2019, 06:16 PM   #1253
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Just reading the list of political parties in Australia today. There are 54 in the list published by the ABC!

What we really need is a Monster Raving Loonie Party.


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What we really need is a Monster Raving Loonie Party.


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Bring back the Sun-Dried Warm Tomatoes Party, I say.
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Tony Abbot’s immediate press release on Bob Hawke’s passing showed what a 24 carat pissant he is. It will make my evening if he loses his seat.

This is the text of Tony Abbott's statement:
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Bob Hawke was a great prime minister.

In my judgment, he was Labor’s greatest prime minister. But his key achievements — financial deregulation, tariffs cuts, and the beginnings of privatisation — went against the Labor grain, as Labor’s more recent policy direction shows. You might almost say he had a Labor heart, but a Liberal head. Certainly, the Coalition supported nearly all of his big reforms, helping to make his tenure a time of economic revitalisation.

All Australians should mourn someone who changed our country for the better, because he was always prepared to argue his case, even if it meant first persuading key people on his own side.
https://www.news.com.au/national/pol...DdK3-CuPBFO2tc

Apart from the tasteless inclusion of politics in this eulogy, it is not the worst thing that Abbott has said. At the time, the Hawke government was often jokingly referred to in the media as the best Liberal government Australia ever had.

That said, Abbott was clearly one of Australia's worst PMs and I hope he loses his seat at the election.
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No, it's not the worst thing he's said. But was still a pretty awful thing to say.
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.<snip> At the time, the Hawke government was often jokingly referred to in the media as the best Liberal government Australia ever had.

That said, Abbott was clearly one of Australia's worst PMs and I hope he loses his seat at the election.
That is because the Liberal Party is actually a conservative party. I suggest the biggest swing against the Liberal Party, in any one seat, will be against Abbott.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
This is the text of Tony Abbott's statement:

https://www.news.com.au/national/pol...DdK3-CuPBFO2tc

Apart from the tasteless inclusion of politics in this eulogy, it is not the worst thing that Abbott has said. At the time, the Hawke government was often jokingly referred to in the media as the best Liberal government Australia ever had.

That said, Abbott was clearly one of Australia's worst PMs and I hope he loses his seat at the election.
He would be trying pretty hard to make it the worst thing he said. I guess his inability to read the room or always be playing politics is a reason why he was so unpopular and got knifed by his own party.

His Tweeted press release had a notably bad comment to like ratio.
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That is because the Liberal Party is actually a conservative party. I suggest the biggest swing against the Liberal Party, in any one seat, will be against Abbott.
Steggall is hardly the pinko enviro-nazi that the Abbott election krewe and Murdoch press are painting her as. She is, in fact, a barrister and has pretty conservative policies. She has already stated that she will be aligning with the Liberals on most matters. So she is the sort of intelligent conservative member the Libs should really be seeking, not the knuckle-dragging bible-humping tosspot, Abbott.
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We've finally got some more information.

Morrison knew in 2016 of Australia's resettlement of Rwandans accused of killings

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The national security committee of cabinet was briefed about all aspects of the American refugee swap deal in late 2016, including the resettlement of two Rwandan men accused of murdering tourists in Uganda.

Guardian Australian understands the NSC was briefed, and the then treasurer, Scott Morrison, the home affairs minister, Peter Dutton, and the foreign affairs minister, Julie Bishop, were aware of all the elements of the agreement signed by Malcolm Turnbull and Barack Obama in 2016.

The advice from the US was the two men did not pose a security risk to Australians.

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Leonidas Bimenyimana and Gregoire Nyaminani, as well as a third Rwandan man, had confessed to their involvement in the 1999 murder of eight tourists – four Britons, two Americans and two New Zealanders – on a gorilla-watching trip in the Ugandan rainforests. The trio were sent to the US to face trial for the murder of the two US victims, with prosecutors seeking the death penalty.

However, a district court judge dismissed the case in 2003, finding that the men’s confessions were the only evidence against them and had been obtained through torture.

The men then claimed they could not be returned to Rwanda because they would be persecuted, and they remained incarcerated and in limbo in the US until Bimenyimana and Nyaminani were sent to Australia.
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Steggall is hardly the pinko enviro-nazi that the Abbott election krewe and Murdoch press are painting her as. She is, in fact, a barrister and has pretty conservative policies. She has already stated that she will be aligning with the Liberals on most matters. So she is the sort of intelligent conservative member the Libs should really be seeking, not the knuckle-dragging bible-humping tosspot, Abbott.

Don't hold back now Norman, you tell it how it is.
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What we really need is a Monster Raving Loonie Party.


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We have a few of them already - in disguise.
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I’m worried that pre-voting has been favouring the LNP. In the past, postal votes favoured the coalition because mainly the well heeled would be away on hols. With the massive numbers pre-voting, it should be absolutely reflective of the final vote.
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Will be getting dressed shortly. Go for a bit of a walk. Feed, coffee, a walk, a vote, maybe a democracy sausage or cake.

May the scumbag candidates in your electorate be disappointed today.
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I’m worried that pre-voting has been favouring the LNP. In the past, postal votes favoured the coalition because mainly the well heeled would be away on hols. With the massive numbers pre-voting, it should be absolutely reflective of the final vote.
I can't see it, unless Aussie bookies have suddenly turned christian and decided to give all their money away.

With LNP paying $5-75 on the morning of the election, you can take it to the bank that Shorten will be PM-elect by ~10 pm tonight.

Aside from bookies doing their homework, you could bet your last dollar that LNP counters would be trampling each other to get to the front of the queue.

I've already got the champers cooling down - it's a long time since we had two actual democratic socialists on opposite sides of the ditch. Helen Clark was more National-lite than socialist, unlike Jacinda. Also, both she and Bill are very geared to their emotions, which is a good thing in politics in the 21st century, I think.
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Is that the way bookies work though? And I am genuinely unsure. Is not any concept of likelyhood ultimately outsourced to the wisdom of the crowd (the punters) and balanced by decreasing declared payouts? The have to formulate the opening price but it flies on its own after that.

Still looks like a fair predictor in a case where the punters have involvement in the outcome.
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Yay.

I've voted, and returned home from the grocery store with a lot of election night nibbles.

I think I'll pop out again later and buy some beer.

It was suggested at work that I should buy a bottle of schnapps and down a shot every time a hated minister loses his seat.

(I'm prepared to down two for Dutton)

Some times the commercial stations run animations every time a sitting member loses their seat. (I can recall rockets, and ejector seats...)

Is it too much to hope that there'll be a flushing animation this year?
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Is that the way bookies work though? And I am genuinely unsure. Is not any concept of likelyhood ultimately outsourced to the wisdom of the crowd (the punters) and balanced by decreasing declared payouts? The have to formulate the opening price but it flies on its own after that.

Still looks like a fair predictor in a case where the punters have involvement in the outcome.
That’s correct. The punters set the odds here, not the bookies
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That’s correct. The punters set the odds here, not the bookies
The odds (or the price you win) indicate the majority of betters believe that the Labor party will win the election. The alternative view is that a large number of people who will lose if the Labor party win are betting big for the Labor party. That way they cannot lose. Either the Labor party wins and so they win their bet or the Liberals win and they gain from that.
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Voted early. Wow, that senate paper was long enough to sleep under in the park! But I numbered all above the line, to put the scumbag parties like UAP, Anning and Poorlene at the end. Nullifies any party-preference deals.
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Voted early. Wow, that senate paper was long enough to sleep under in the park! But I numbered all above the line, to put the scumbag parties like UAP, Anning and Poorlene at the end. Nullifies any party-preference deals.
Did the same.
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Likewise. Screw reactionary boomer parties.
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Old 18th May 2019, 02:24 AM   #1273
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Not a good start. Feeling salty.
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Old 18th May 2019, 02:25 AM   #1274
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Not looking good at all for Labor.


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Still hope and not yet time to go watch kitten and doggo videos on YouTube.
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It looks like Abbot's gone.
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Pretty nice as far as consolation prizes go.
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If only I had put a big bet on the LNP retaining government. I would now be rich.
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The ALP can’t win. This will kill their chances for a decade. Know why? Because the hard boys in the ALP will decide matching policies of the LNP is wrong and the party has to move further to the left. Albo will be put in charge, which will be a disaster, and the resurgent left will bask in ideological purity, while remaining an anchor on the unelectable ALP.

Can’t beat ******* Morrison? **** me.
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The ALP can’t win. This will kill their chances for a decade. Know why? Because the hard boys in the ALP will decide matching policies of the LNP is wrong and the party has to move further to the left. Albo will be put in charge, which will be a disaster, and the resurgent left will bask in ideological purity, while remaining an anchor on the unelectable ALP.

Can’t beat ******* Morrison? **** me.
There is no point in the Labour Party being liberal lite.
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