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12th June 2019, 03:24 PM | #1 |
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Deepfake videos muddy the water even more.
Watch Zuckerberg confess: “Imagine this for a second: One man, with total control of billions of people’s stolen data, all their secrets, their lives, their futures.”
Except it's not him. Videos faking people out has moved ahead another step.
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12th June 2019, 03:27 PM | #2 |
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Just waiting for The PDJT to deny something he actually said on camera as "Fake Views".
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12th June 2019, 03:32 PM | #3 |
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Video is pretty much dead as a convenience citation.
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12th June 2019, 03:37 PM | #4 |
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12th June 2019, 03:51 PM | #6 |
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Doesn't Zuckerberg already look like a creepy robot? Something about his eyes and cheeks always looks off to me. Either he's had work done and it moved him close to the uncanny valley, or else he's just unfortunately rubbery in the face. I know he's super rich but I still can't find him attractive in the least. And I have really low standards!
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12th June 2019, 03:58 PM | #7 |
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12th June 2019, 04:00 PM | #9 |
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I don't have a clue what either one of you is talking about. Who said anything about seeing these deepfakes on TV?
As for Trump, any fake video of Trump lying is moot. You don't need to fake that to show the real thing. There's still a Tweet for any/everything. But one of Trump declaring war with Iran or insulting the Ayatollah could be problematic if spread around other countries. I suppose there could be deepfakes of Trump insulting the deplorables. |
12th June 2019, 04:01 PM | #10 |
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No way, Data was kinda hot. The eye color wasn't ideal, but that way he tilted his head to the side to indicate thought was adorable. And the early season uniforms revealed he had pretty good pecs for a science nerd. Tasha was right to run him through Demo Mode.
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12th June 2019, 04:50 PM | #11 |
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Yeah we're already in a post-truth world. Nobody is waiting for deepfakes to think stuff they've already decided is true.
If you're the kind of person who thinks that Bush did 9/11 or Hillary had a child sex pizza parlor dungeon, you aren't the kind of person who's waiting on evidence. They will be some people in the margins affected by these videos, but not that many. People already either don't believe evidence or make it stuff without it now. |
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12th June 2019, 05:10 PM | #12 |
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12th June 2019, 08:37 PM | #13 |
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Lotsa stories about deep fakes recently. They go way beyond one candidate or one campaign. They really strike at what we can know about the world.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.e42df322ba6e https://www.washingtonpost.com/techn...=.061505bb59ed https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/o...sultPosition=4 |
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12th June 2019, 09:33 PM | #15 |
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12th June 2019, 09:41 PM | #16 |
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13th June 2019, 12:13 AM | #17 |
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13th June 2019, 02:22 AM | #18 |
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13th June 2019, 02:39 AM | #19 |
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Video used to be a very reliable source in many cases. Think of how Policemen are required to carry body-cameras in some places. Deepfakes are the end of that. One step after the other getting deeper and deeper into a technological dystopia... All data becoming digital and easily altered. Images and video unreliable. Post-truth indeed.
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13th June 2019, 05:34 AM | #20 |
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Alarming, but not unexpected. Another milestone along a route we have been traveling for a while.
As I age I find myself questioning whether some new development (be it a trending outlook or behavior that I find irrational, or a technology that seems troublesome and unnecessary at the same time) is causing me rational alarm, or simply triggering some kind of "get off my lawn" knee jerk defensiveness. I can't see the erosion of every source of information about things that I did not personally witness as having any redeeming characteristics though. However hard I try to avoid being a technological Luddite. |
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13th June 2019, 06:15 AM | #21 |
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13th June 2019, 06:57 AM | #23 |
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You do realize that human perceptions are not reliable indicators of how things actually are, right? Nothing has changed: we are all still just minds using fallible tools to attempt to know things outside of ourselves. Video can deceive you? Your eyes deceive you! They always have.
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13th June 2019, 07:20 AM | #24 |
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On this I disagree. Commodity video has only been a recent addition to how we "know" things about the world. A hundred years ago, and for thousands of years before that, people managed to learn about the world just fine without needing to see video footage from someone's
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13th June 2019, 07:24 AM | #25 |
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I disagree about this. Deepfakes are the end of viral videos purporting to be leaks of real police camera footage.
Police camera footage with a known chain of custody, presented at evidence in a controlled venue such as the courtroom, and subjected to expert analysis, is going to be fine for the forseeable future. |
13th June 2019, 07:28 AM | #26 |
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Great. Cue fake revenge porn in 5... 4... 3...
"That's not me, boss, I swear - it's a deepfake." "Maybe. But I think we're going to go in a different direction." |
13th June 2019, 07:32 AM | #27 |
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Looking around here, most of the example videos I'm seeing still look pretty darn weird and fake. I don't think your average person would necessarily be fooled. Of course, the tech will surely improve, so who knows how long that will be the case.
Also, I suppose it doesn't really matter whether I can tell something is fake if a bunch of loons on the internet believe it and make a fuss about it. It's hard for me to tell if those touting the "drunk Pelosi" video truly believe it or if they're just trying to make trouble. I'm sure at least a few people have genuine belief. Info about "drunk Pelosi" deepfake - https://slate.com/technology/2019/06...formation.html I honestly don't understand how people don't hear a pitch-shift there. I'm an audio nerd, but still. |
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I think at this point deepfakes in general aren't good enough for people to literally believe on some real intellectual level.
They are simply good enough to be used as a means to an end. Which is again why I'm not really seeing the "tipping point" here. Literally nobody who liked Pelosi didn't like here after watching that video and literally nobody who disliked her before need the video to dislike her. And that would have held accurate had the video been undetectably perfect. Sure once it's perfected there's gonna be a few people in the margins swayed by it, but it's not gonna make a statistical difference for a public video, lest of all one who's in a leadership position in one of the tribes. All deepfakes, once "perfected" on a practical level which is gonna be any day now technologically speaking, are gonna do is preach to the choir. I'm a lot more worried about one one one deepfakes ("Pay me 200,000 in bitcoin or this video of you screwing the babysitter gets sent to your wife" kind of thing) then them being used to sway public opinion about politics. That would be pissing in the ocean level of pointless at point. Political discourse is already intellectual dead, there's no point in putting a bullet in its head. |
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13th June 2019, 08:31 AM | #30 |
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I just assume that any viral video supporting a political point is fake. Either deep, or misrepresented, or out of context, or something, but fake.
I'm still willing to provisionally accept video clips hosted on a mainstream media site. One day, we'll hear about CNN.com being hacked and serving a deepfake as if it were real events, and that will be the end of my provisional acceptance of reputably-hosted video. |
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13th June 2019, 08:41 AM | #32 |
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Why on earth would anybody waste this technology on politics? The clear purpose of it is for entertainment. I want a video of Hitler singing "Poker Face". I want a video of Divine giving the stewardess airline safety speech. I want a video of Queen Elizabeth II giving Jerri Blank's "I like the pole and the hole" speech.
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Oh I'm sure we'll get a lot of stuff like that.
Hell even beyond that this a technology that can be used for good. Amateurs using commercial or even free software on home PC level hardware where able to remove Henry Cavill's mustache in Justice League footage and insert Carrie Fisher as Princess Leia into Rogue One with results far superior to what we got from full on special effects studios. This is not a dark cloud with no silver lining. I also wonder about it's ability to do things like general film restoration. |
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But that's kind of what I'm saying. We had footage of man walking on the moon in 1969 way before "fake video" was even a thing and people still don't believe that happened.
People already look a fake videos and go "That's real" and real videos and go "that's fake" now. "Fact from fiction" is gone, off the table, probably never coming back. We're in a post-truth worth. The concept is dead. |
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