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6th December 2017, 09:52 PM | #481 |
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BTW, I think that onboard death, murder or drug running are not hypotheses in the running. But I do think that they may have left Hawaii with an orangutan, hyena, zebra and a tiger.
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7th December 2017, 12:48 PM | #482 |
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I think they were high as **** for at least half the voyage, and probably while they were planning it too. That's my simple theory, and I'm sticking to it.
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7th December 2017, 01:34 PM | #483 |
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Exactly. As said upthread, near shore you have more time to head into a safe harbor if the weather begins to turn bad. And you are within range of VHF radio and a variety of rescue possibilities (good Samaritans, commercial salvage, Coast Guard), many of which are simply not available or much delayed mid ocean (e.g. helicopter rescues). But most important of all, in blue water you are completely dependent on your own resources for days or weeks on end when something breaks or goes wrong- no quick ducking into a harbor to buy a new line or to have a boat yard fix your bent spreader. And after days in the ocean- something will go wrong! I owned a small sailboat that I used in San Francisco Bay- probably half my time with it was fixing things that went wrong the other half of the time I was actually sailing it. And that is typical of sailboats; mine was modern and well-built.
And I enthusiastically second your last line: I've had only a minimal experience off the coast with fairly mild gales (not even technically a storm)- 32-35 knot winds with gusts just over 40 knots in a 27 foot boat. Man- that was one of the most scary things I've ever been through. I still remember it vividly- the up and down howling of the wind, cold waves washing over us constantly, the boat heeling and straightening up and the sails flogging and filling with a boom as the helmsman tried to steer around the biggest waves, the lines rattling, being unable to hear what the skipper was shouting at me to do if more than 5 feet from him, etc. All while being seasick and expecting to die. I honestly never, ever want to be in a boat in an actual storm- I can't even imagine it. |
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7th December 2017, 01:57 PM | #485 |
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7th December 2017, 01:58 PM | #486 |
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It would be an unusual event for anyone to agree to get on a boat with Appel for 5 months straight. Her personality is one with many loose screws in the head and I don't know how that could go unnoticed.
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7th December 2017, 02:20 PM | #487 |
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That's pretty damn high though, I don't think so
They were probably high but I don't think any amount of drugs could make a person this stupid. This wild story isn't a result of drugs. This is beyond drugs. Every theory I come up with is smashed by the fact (or is it a fact) that her passenger seems fine and okay with everything. Like I thought maybe she was coerced into the trip because Appel was attracted to her, and perhaps they were both attracted to each other. I can't bring myself to follow this story anymore, but has the other woman said anything at all? Has she complained or said a word? This Appel woman is a nutjob. Nobody is going to hire her to smuggle drugs on that boat. And she took along a woman she'd met what, the day before? Not exactly someone I'd trust with my cocaine. Simplest explanation: she wanted to have a nice romantic ride with her new girlfriend (or hopeful new girlfriend), screwed up every step of the way and is now lying to get attention, and to cover her ineptness as a sailor. Maybe she told the girl it would be a short trip and lied and she meant to "get lost"... maybe not. The fact that she is half-nuts is why the story got so big and senseless. Someone that crazy and/or stupid might think it a great idea to tell a tale and maybe get on TV. Seems like the most likely scenario, partly because it's boring - it doesn't involve murder or drug smuggling and answers all questions. |
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7th December 2017, 02:37 PM | #488 |
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9th December 2017, 01:33 PM | #489 |
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It's difficult to guess what a crazy woman might do, her actual reasons for the trip are a mystery. Then again, it's just a boat trip. There probably was no mystery. She's probably just an idiot and nothing more.
Anyone with enough drugs to require a boat should have enough sense and cash not to let it onto a piece o' crap boat with a dingbat unarmed crew haha. Even a stuffed Ziploc bag of coke is worth more than her boat in the shape it was in. Maybe. But ya, it's possible. Occam tells me (if I'm hearing him correctly) she's a loopy broad with a new girlfriend and, long story short, she's lying about it for attention. It is fun trying to guess, but the lack of new information - eh, I guess it's played out. Until the TV movie. |
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9th December 2017, 05:26 PM | #490 |
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I figure they went somewhere, were denied entry to wherever they went due to the dogs and went somewhere else and didn't bother entering the country illegally. They probably cooked up this plot over a few bottles of wine and figured they might make some money if they could sell a "tale of survival".
There might have been money owing on the boat, Fuiava's job as a security guard was a dead end wna....who knows...they might just get themselves on a reality TV series. |
11th December 2017, 11:44 AM | #491 |
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After laughing my way through this thread, I realized I was facebook friends with these people.
Joke is on me....welcome to Hawaii |
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11th December 2017, 03:36 PM | #492 |
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I think some of you need to check out other sections of the forum if you think this story is outlandish. We have threads in which people claim they have seen and captured bigfoot, that they are telepathic and everyone in the world can hear their thoughts, we have threads which claim people have produced compounds with a new form of hydrogen that has anti-gravity properties. And that's all without stepping into the R&P section.
People make up the most astonishing stories all the time, at least in this case oceans and boats actually exist so it's got more credibility than spirits telling someone the winning lottery numbers so they can buy a printer! |
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11th December 2017, 04:08 PM | #493 |
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Unlikely. Almost every country in the South Pacific will simply make you quarantine a pet in a cage on board if you don't have a medical certificate (some even with a certificate). And at any rate, there would be a record of interaction. If these people actually went anywhere, there's an official record - whether they were allowed in, or turned away, or whatever.
They will also certainly have been spotted by other cruisers. While in theory a blue-water cruiser can go anywhere the ocean is, the practical reality is that trans-oceanic cruisers all tend to go to the same relatively narrow set of places using the same set of common routes. Wherever she went, she would've been seen or heard by others of the cruising community. |
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11th December 2017, 04:22 PM | #494 |
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11th December 2017, 05:54 PM | #495 |
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Occam's razor: Don't blame deceit when the incompetence of a ding bat will suffice.
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11th December 2017, 06:32 PM | #497 |
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That's not my experience. We snuck in and out of a couple of countries with ease and with stealth.
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11th December 2017, 07:31 PM | #498 |
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The neat weed line on the hull makes that unlikely
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11th December 2017, 09:17 PM | #499 |
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Fortunately most people don't think like you (is my experience). But yes fair enough, there's a possibility that this person who for some reason was so incompetent she couldn't reach her intended destination or even provision properly was nevertheless able to sneak into all kinds of countries without getting caught.
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12th December 2017, 07:27 AM | #502 |
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Recently on that sailing forum she has said that they weren't adrift at all. Some part of the rigging was damaged but they were still able to use sails and steer. The motor didn't work which could make harbor situations challenging. She says they only drifted when there was no wind.
Appel was in control of where they went for those 5 months. She did say that there were occasions when Fuiava was in control and went the wrong way. |
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12th December 2017, 07:53 AM | #503 |
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Recently she has said that they may have been orcas because of the behavior. She is convinced that animals were cooperating to create large waves to sink the boat or knock them off the boat. She subsequently learned that orcas sometimes do that when hunting seals on ice floes. I think she was already familiar with that and that's why she at first made up the animals-created-waves story.
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If that were the case then there's no need for you to be getting defensive over a judgment; and nor does your solitary experience "as a lowly crew with no say" (Were you a child? Because that sounds a rather bizarre state of affairs otherwise for cruising) gift you the expertise to declare that I'm wrong about how things work in the cruising community generally. My experience is that very very few people do what you describe; although plenty of people do complain about the increasingly harsh permits, fees, and conditions on visiting cruisers that such behavior inevitably give rise to.
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Why are you so quick to become defensive? Don't be so judgmentally defensive. Stop calling others defensive all the time. Everyone can see that you're the one being defensive. You're being defensive right now. What do you have to be so defensive about? It makes people wonder why you're so defensive.
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Ignorance can do it too.
My wife and I walked straight through international arrivals at Heathrow from Italy without once showing any ID. We had come via southern Ireland (transit, so no passport checks) but on arrival in London we were directed through to Northern Ireland (i.e., UK) arrivals. They then must have assumed we were UK citizens, so just waved us through. I had a similar experience Australia to Houston via LAX. On arrival at Houston, I was directed through domestic arrivals. No passport control. Marine entries would, I imagine, be even simpler to dodge, even accidentally. |
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I'd gladly convey the details of the three times I recall when I entered ports illegally, but if I start telling sea tales it might lead to a massive derail. Suffice it to say that **** happens on extended cruises, sometimes mundane, sometimes not.
On top of which, what I consider legit might not be the same as what you consider legit. There's a strong libertopian streak among many people who venture out to sea for extended periods. |
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It's probably difficult to slip in and out of an island when you have no motor and your only helper onboard has zero experience.
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Even harder if you make landfall on the leeward side of an island, then find that the customs check point is on the windward side. Phuegue it, spend a couple days there before moving on.
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That's a euphemism I'm not aware of...
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