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2nd November 2017, 08:53 AM | #241 |
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2nd November 2017, 09:40 AM | #244 |
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I think that there has been some reporting of their claims taken out of context. They did say that they were rescued about 24 hours before death. But they were talking about the USS Ashland "rescuing" them from the Taiwanese fishing boat. They said that they felt they would be killed or die at the hands of those fishermen and it was the most scary time of all of their perils going all the way back to the immense storm at the beginning in Hawaii.
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2nd November 2017, 09:54 AM | #246 |
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Indeed As far as I see there is a chain of reasoning here
The trouble with this is that there are plenty of other options at each stage. Even if you have chosen the most likely option at each stage, say the one with 80% probability, by the time you get to the third one you are still only about 51% probability of this being the right answer. For example, MikeG has pointed out stupidity or conspiracy as other options. Maybe they set off with the intent to sail the distance, something went a little wrong, and that gave them an idea? Maybe they were staying somewhere for a while and were hoping for a moderate amount of interest, but not enough to highlight the problems with their story? Maybe they thought the story of how they faked their trip would make a better book deal? Lots of options. |
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2nd November 2017, 09:55 AM | #247 |
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Next time they get lost at sea we'll send Balloon Boy to rescue them.
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2nd November 2017, 10:10 AM | #248 |
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Too bad the Navy left the boat adrift, we'll never know the actual state of it.
But the claim that all of their various comms went bad because the antenna broke is BS- each comm uses a totally different antenna. Most are integral these days. And I didn't see a radar reflector on the mast either. Like they didn't want to be seen. Until it was their chosen time. And did anybody notice the interesting algae line on the side? It looks like it's at about the waterline of a boat that has been heeled over while sailing on the same line for days. Which would go along with my theory that they lied an the beach for months, then set sail on one compass point to get "lost" 900 miles south east of Japan. |
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2nd November 2017, 10:35 AM | #251 |
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Did you read the links from yesterday? Appel almost made it to Tahiti. They also said that they wanted to sail to Tahiti first and then sail around the Pacific Islands for up to six months. Maybe they just didn't feel like going to Tahiti but carried on with the rest of their trip?
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-gets-stranger http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/1...nging-stories/ |
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2nd November 2017, 11:04 AM | #253 |
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2nd November 2017, 11:55 AM | #254 |
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There's also a rational reason for them not to go into port and onto land: their dogs. Any half-decent country would require for them to be quarantined.
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But only a bit.
Another puzzling thing: in the photo the USS Ashland made, you see her climbing the mast in a wetsuit, to near the spreader. Why in the FSM's name would she do such a thing? Oh, and one of the various stories about why they couldn't sail was that the spreader was defective. |
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Indeed. It's clear that their whole story is nonsense. The added touch about the fishermen wanting to use them as sex slaves is particularily telling of their need to construct a narrative for their book/movie.
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I've been wondering about this. If the other side of the boat looks the same, this would correspond to the growth on a boat which had flooded and had been drifting a foot deeper in the water than normal. The motor and batteries would be flooded. This means that all communications and navigation gear would stop working about the same time, as would the bilge-pump. It would take days of pumping with a manual bilge-pump to get the water out and by that time permanent damage would have been done.
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2nd November 2017, 12:48 PM | #262 |
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The lack of evidence for a storm is pretty hard to overcome. Honestly, much more worrying than the talk about tiger sharks (which could easily have been misidentified, size exaggerated unintentionally or otherwise, etc.).
I'm very interested in seeing how this story plays out. I don't think that there's anything wrong with suggesting that there's something fishy here. I'm just not sure what it indicates. I'm not a cruiser, but a pissant fair-weather day sailor, so I'm not an expert on what likely happened. But if NOAA says there was no three-day storm there, I'm pretty damned confident there was no three-day storm there. |
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And also it's not an either or thing.
It's possible (hell at this point I'd still call this the most likely scenario) that they did have some kind of legit lost at sea scenario, but for whatever reason needed to exaggerate/embellish it. That's how the whole "Every time they tell the story there's a new detail added" thing makes the most sense to me. |
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I'm reading the first bit, and he suggests that 120 nm in a 24 hour period is very reasonable to expect, then divides the distance by that rate to determine time to destination.
Now, I'm not a blue-water sailor. I don't go on long voyages. But 5 knots directly to your destination makes sense only if the wind is quite steady and coming from the roughly right direction (not head on). Again, not my expertise and maybe on the ocean, such regularity can be more or less assured, but this surprises me. Anyone familiar with real blue water cruising can tell me whether this is reasonable or not. |
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Er, you do realize that your country isn't half-decent? Maybe things are changed, but I flew into Belgium and drove into the Netherlands with my dog back in 2001. It's possible I unwittingly smuggled him into the Netherlands, but at least I didn't smuggle him into Belgium.
He lived in the Netherlands until 2005 or so, when he stopped living entirely. |
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Try the last pages of Sailing Anarchy (hat tip ddt).
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...months/&page=9 This is on page 5. Some one wrote in about "Crazy-Jen" on Honolulu Star Advertiser
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You should really see her photos. She likes to wear bikinis: http://hawaiifilmindustry.com/photo/...=0t4bwknjr36la Boat registration: http://www.st.nmfs.noaa.gov/pls/webp...l_id_in=608498 And apparently she is/was an avid motorcyclist and racer.
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My belated condolences. I phrased that poorly. According to PetTravel.com, "There will be no quarantine imposed on your pet when entering the Netherlands as long as the following requirements are met." and if I read that correctly, it boils down to quarantine if you're from a high-rabies country (which neither the USA nor Belgium is).
A friend of mine donated his cat to me when he moved to the USA because he couldn't stand the idea having to quarantine him. But for kicks, let's look at the requirements for Tahiti; after all, that's where Appel and Fuiaba said they were heading. There's a lot of requirements on that page, but I think it simply boils down to this at step 9:
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Not to derail, but if you’re keeping dogs on a boat for a prolonged period... where do they poop? Train them to go over the edge?
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You're welcome! I had quite some fun reading that thread.
Even on horseback or while fixing her bike. I don't remember someone calling her a competent sailor there. There is one who called her a scam artist, though. |
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On normal cruising you have a couple of options.
Oversimplified to some degree if you're close to land you can't discharge human or animal waste. Once you get a certain distance from land you can discharge treated waste, and once you get a certain distance beyond that you can discharge untreated waste. Very small boats often use simple camping style porta-potties or waste buckets. But commonly a boat of their size is going to have one or two marine heads with a holding tank of some size (a 1984 Baltric 55 footer on Ebay right now has a 15 gallon holding tank for example) and discharge to connect it to the sewer in port. Composting toilets are also becoming common. In their scenario they could probably dump it or discharge it over the side. It's really not that big of an issue when compared to dumping things like, say, plastics or oils which don't have a natural way to break down or be processed. The main concern is keeping bacteria away from human water sources. I mean given that oceans are huge ecosystems with billions of animals of every possible size pooping in them all the time some human and dog waste isn't that problematic. It's really not much different from squatting in the woods and burying it while hiking. |
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The one called Whisper:
http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/ind...omment-5973372 He's also the guy who knows other people who know Appel. |
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