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Old 21st March 2017, 12:07 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Won't someone think of the military?
I still don't understand. Why should he need to increase the budget? I thought he was the great negotiator? The Art of the Deal, and all that?

He is supposed to be getting more for less.

If the congress had any guts, that's what they'd tell him. Of course, that is a false premise.
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Old 21st March 2017, 02:01 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I still don't understand. Why should he need to increase the budget? I thought he was the great negotiator? The Art of the Deal, and all that?

He is supposed to be getting more for less.

If the congress had any guts, that's what they'd tell him. Of course, that is a false premise.
Multiple false premises, I'd say.

But, yes. That is the question.
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Old 21st March 2017, 02:32 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
...He is supposed to be getting more for less. If the congress had any guts, that's what they'd tell him. Of course, that is a false premise.
Don't forget, this is a Republican Congress. They seem to want a bigger increase in military spending than Trump is proposing. As I heard David Brooks say on PBS NewsHour last Friday
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[Trump is] investing in everything that is hard power. They’re investing in the military, in homeland security, everything that is about threat and fear. And they are disinvesting in everything that has to do with compassion, with care, thinking, innovation. And it’s...emotionally consistent. It’s just hardness and toughness and fear. And everything else just has to go. Link
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Old 21st March 2017, 04:47 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
If it quacks like a duck...
...it could be a guy in camo with a duck call and a 12 Gage...
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Old 22nd March 2017, 12:44 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
He is supposed to be getting more for less.

Heh. He is: more battleships for less everything else.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 08:43 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
It was the white working class/middle income voters who were the ones who voted overwhelmingly for Trump. Their complaint is, and always has been, they don't qualify for most of the programs that provide some support to people of limited means. They complain they have to pay for them through tax dollars.
Yeah welcome to social services, morons.

Most of my tax dollars go to programs that I will never benefit from. So what? That's an acceptable cost to me, to ensure that people less fortunate than I get to *********** eat.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 08:47 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by twinstead View Post
Conservatives do it now anyway. I'm not sure what is more prevalent, the Right demonizing the left (snowflakes, etc) or the Left demonizing the Right (Nazis, etc) but it's getting a little tiring...

Nobody wants to work together, and neither side of the aisle is helping much
Was that intentional irony?
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Old 22nd March 2017, 08:47 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Yeah welcome to social services, morons.

Most of my tax dollars go to programs that I will never directly benefit from. So what? That's an acceptable cost to me, to ensure that people less fortunate than I get to *********** eat.
FTFY. There's more to this than just being altruistic. There are large societal benefits to having large swaths of hungry homeless people.
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So just Tragic Monkey then. He gets special privileges.
I think you misunderstood twinstead. What they wrote is that you may not engage in that sort of behaviour, but others do.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 08:53 AM   #210
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
FTFY. There's more to this than just being altruistic. There are large societal benefits to having large swaths of hungry homeless people.
Not sure I understand your response. Are you agreeing with me and adding your own thoughts, or what?
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Old 22nd March 2017, 08:54 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
That sentence you quote was written by a Wikipwedia user called Wowaconia. Do you know who that is, I don't. Did you follow any of the reference links? Here's one from a Boston Globe article from 2015:


In your last message you're complaining that too many posts here are substance-free. Yet skimming through your last half dozen messages they are mostly critiques of other posters. Mostly of the 'He said, I said,' variety. What does any of this have to do with the budget the Trump administration is proposing?

It seems to me if you don't like the way a discussion is going you should try and push it in a different direction. Try and get it back on course. Merely complaining about only makes it worse.
Virtue signaling isn't limited to any one group. It's the tendency of people to, let's say, be very vocal about opinions they think they should have in order to be accepted and appreciated withint a certain group. Left-wingers and right-wingers both do it, though I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the former do it more due to the way their extremist ideologies work.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 04:26 PM   #212
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
FTFY. There's more to this than just being altruistic. There are large societal benefits to having large swaths of hungry homeless people.
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Not sure I understand your response. Are you agreeing with me and adding your own thoughts, or what?

I'm fairly certain he's agreeing with you, but offering a slight correction. Also, there's probably a missing "not" in the second sentence: There are large societal benefits to not having large swaths of hungry homeless people.
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That's what I figured but I wanted to make sure.
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Old 22nd March 2017, 05:47 PM   #214
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There's more to this than just being altruistic. There are large societal benefits to having large swaths of hungry homeless people.
New York City in the 1980s after the Reagan administration defunded a number of mental health programs and other support services. I attended a community meeting with a city councilman who said that some of the cuts, some of the facilities that had to close, had blindsided New York. He read off a list of the amounts of money that had been taken away from various programs. Suddenly we had an army of homeless mentally ill living in our streets.

And no, I'm not suggesting we're headed back to that era. But I'm agreeing there are practical reasons -- very practical reasons -- why society will sometimes decide to provide some basic services for people who are badly in need.
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