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Old Today, 12:28 PM   #1241
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Yes, and as usual we should listen to the experts more than laypeople... however expertise is always given with a goal in mind. If the only goal is to save as many lives as possible, then expertise is given towards this goal. But it's not the only goal, so the question is, are we putting priority on one thing and forgetting something else that would come back and bite us in the rear?

Let's think about it a bit before reflex-posting.
I believe the experts because they know more and have more experience. The economy needs a reset. I believe this crisis is showing the failings of capitalism, especially in the U.S.A. Big businesses are asking for another bailout after hording the money from the last bailout. The economy is rather weak because of the structure of it cannot withstand a pandemic. The economy needs restructured.

I have no doubt that the part of the economy that Trump and his goons want to protect is the corporations and wealthy, they really don't care about the rest of us.
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Old Today, 12:51 PM   #1242
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I believe the experts because they know more and have more experience.
OK.

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The economy needs a reset. I believe this crisis is showing the failings of capitalism, especially in the U.S.A. Big businesses are asking for another bailout after hording the money from the last bailout. The economy is rather weak because of the structure of it cannot withstand a pandemic. The economy needs restructured.

I have no doubt that the part of the economy that Trump and his goons want to protect is the corporations and wealthy, they really don't care about the rest of us.
Which experts are you getting this information from? It seems like you're being pretty selective in choosing which experts to listen to and believe.
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Old Today, 01:59 PM   #1243
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Biden for President?

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I believe the experts because they know more and have more experience. The economy needs a reset. I believe this crisis is showing the failings of capitalism, especially in the U.S.A. Big businesses are asking for another bailout after hording the money from the last bailout. The economy is rather weak because of the structure of it cannot withstand a pandemic. The economy needs restructured.

I have no doubt that the part of the economy that Trump and his goons want to protect is the corporations and wealthy, they really don't care about the rest of us.

What I glean from this is that you want to lend more weight to the medical experts and not to the economic experts because you want the economy to fail in order to hit the reset button. You hope the corporations and wealthy are brought low and that The New Reconstruction will result in an economic system that favors the 99%.

Good luck with that, I guess?
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Old Today, 02:00 PM   #1244
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I believe the experts because they know more and have more experience. The economy needs a reset. I believe this crisis is showing the failings of capitalism, especially in the U.S.A. Big businesses are asking for another bailout after hording the money from the last bailout. The economy is rather weak because of the structure of it cannot withstand a pandemic.
Please name two experts who have experience with economic structures that can withstand a pandemic. Please cite at least on such economic system they've had experience with.

I'm not saying no such system exists, and I'm not saying these "experts" are full of ****. If such a system does exist, though, then we should definitely be promoting the experts who have the experience. We should also be taking a good hard look at that system, and how to implement it as soon as possible.

So... Who are they?
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Old Today, 02:22 PM   #1245
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Perhaps both the medical and economic experts are right but people can feel one of them matters a lot more than the other?
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Old Today, 02:24 PM   #1246
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Neither option is depressing as the idea of progressives holding out for some gesture from Biden, before they'll condescend to come together and support a candidate.

ETA: Delvo, if Biden does pick a woman VP, are you saying you'll put aside your grievances and work with the moderate wing of the party in spite of their bad attitude?
I don't care what sex the VP candidate is. I might care about his or her political thinking. That goes beyond just thinking of a progressive VP candidate as a symbolic gesture. It would also mean a progressive was next in line if Biden dies or quits during his term, or would be positioned well to run for President if Biden completes the term. But of course, that's why he won't do that. He's always worked against the American people before so he isn't about to switch around and pick somebody who's for us now.
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Old Today, 03:49 PM   #1247
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Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
OK.



Which experts are you getting this information from? It seems like you're being pretty selective in choosing which experts to listen to and believe.
Originally Posted by xjx388 View Post
What I glean from this is that you want to lend more weight to the medical experts and not to the economic experts because you want the economy to fail in order to hit the reset button. You hope the corporations and wealthy are brought low and that The New Reconstruction will result in an economic system that favors the 99%.

Good luck with that, I guess?
Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Please name two experts who have experience with economic structures that can withstand a pandemic. Please cite at least on such economic system they've had experience with.

I'm not saying no such system exists, and I'm not saying these "experts" are full of ****. If such a system does exist, though, then we should definitely be promoting the experts who have the experience. We should also be taking a good hard look at that system, and how to implement it as soon as possible.

So... Who are they?
I don't know about thaiboxerken's experts, but I do know the "experts" in charge of the current economy should probably be kicked out on their rear. The insistence on tax cuts and rate cuts to stimulate the economy when Obama left it in pretty good shape left us with no recourse when things inevitably went south.
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Old Today, 03:52 PM   #1248
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
I don't care what sex the VP candidate is. I might care about his or her political thinking. That goes beyond just thinking of a progressive VP candidate as a symbolic gesture. It would also mean a progressive was next in line if Biden dies or quits during his term, or would be positioned well to run for President if Biden completes the term. But of course, that's why he won't do that. He's always worked against the American people before so he isn't about to switch around and pick somebody who's for us now.
You should read this post.
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Old Today, 03:53 PM   #1249
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
You should read this post.
Yeah, it would be terrible if someone like Clarence Thomas were put on the court.
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Yeah, it would be terrible if someone like Clarence Thomas were put on the court.
I get it. You'd prefer 2 more Kavanaughs. Carry on with your well though out plan of biting off your nose then shooting yourself in the foot.
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Old Today, 04:33 PM   #1251
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I get it. You'd prefer 2 more Kavanaughs. Carry on with your well though out plan of biting off your nose then shooting yourself in the foot.
I would think the most liberal people would want more justices like Kavanaugh.
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