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21st July 2016, 01:03 AM | #1 |
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OMG! Another unarmed black man with his hands up shot.
God, this one is even more insane than any of the others.
Unarmed Therapist Shot by North Miami Police While Trying to Calm Patient With Autism You have to watch the video, it's unbelievable. A therapist from a group home trying to help a patient who had a toy truck was shot. The police are lined up with their rifles out behind a car while the man, on his back with his hands in the air is yelling, it's a toy car, trying to keep the patient from being shot. Unbelievable. |
21st July 2016, 01:07 AM | #2 |
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Sickening. But defenders of this assault will turn up.....
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21st July 2016, 01:13 AM | #3 |
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Glad he's alive. Hope he sues those ****ers and the officer responsible is fired and charged.
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21st July 2016, 01:20 AM | #4 |
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I was wondering how long it'd take before this one showed up here. Less than 12 hours is pretty good.
Caveat to everything I say - I'm sick of watching these videos, I didn't do it when I saw the story, and I will avoid it as much as possible now. This strikes me as another example of stunningly bad policy. Hey, there's a guy threatening suicide, let's all point our rifles at him and the guy who is talking to him. A simple health worker could do far better in that situation - except they shot the health worker who was talking the guy down. |
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21st July 2016, 01:35 AM | #6 |
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"Sir, why did you shoot me?"
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21st July 2016, 02:09 AM | #7 |
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The truck could have been loaded.
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21st July 2016, 02:17 AM | #8 |
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I wonder what the post hoc justification from the PD and the officer will be.
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21st July 2016, 02:35 AM | #9 |
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21st July 2016, 02:38 AM | #10 |
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Nan, I think it was just an accident, he was already nervous with finger on trigger, and he accidentally added a few pound more and fired in the leg of the guy (so downward rather than center mass).
Still that is indicative (IMO) of the general problem that lethal option seem to be the first resort rather than the last one, and even if they *thought* initially it was a gun not a truck, they should have had the possibility to check that. None apparently did, since they still had the gun at ready during the confrontation. In other word lethal readiness trumpeted assessment of the situation. (and that sounds to me that I expect more such accident or tamir rice alike incident to happen). |
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21st July 2016, 02:58 AM | #13 |
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In some of these cases I see room for giving cops the benefit of the doubt. Like when a kid is play-acting with a very realistic toy gun and inexperienced cops, buzzed on adrenaline, fire prematurely. But this? The guy is going out of his way to show cops exactly where his hands are while explaining about the autistic kid (? not sure age) and the toy truck. I don't know what else was going on around there but there seemed to be enough time to hang back out of handgun range while assessing the (nil) threat.
I'm glad this victim lived. With all the heat out there we need some reasonable way to train cops to de-escalate. IMO they actually should not be putting themselves in range to be hurt if there are better tactical options. If the cops feel more in control they will be less likely to make poor split-second decisions. It's not all racism, I think people are on edge in general. |
21st July 2016, 03:02 AM | #14 |
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Hardly accidental. He was shot three times.
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21st July 2016, 03:10 AM | #15 |
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Come on the proper thing to do with someone threatening suicide is to set a dog on him not shoot him. That way your police dogs can get their bite in, even if they don't get to tear the face enough to require skin grafts.
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21st July 2016, 03:12 AM | #16 |
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Given that the victim was lying on the ground when shot the officer was off-target horizontally, not vertically. That means that the weapon was raised and aimed.
Also if he is not intending to shoot what the **** is his finger doing on the trigger? That is Firearms 101 - finger OFF the trigger. |
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21st July 2016, 03:16 AM | #17 |
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21st July 2016, 03:18 AM | #18 |
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Armchair cops are the best. Hope no one shoots a cop over this.
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21st July 2016, 03:21 AM | #21 |
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Source on the three shots? The articles I've seen imply, but don't explicitly state, one shot.
Also, I like how the press release in the OP article make it sound like the cops only found out about the autism/caretaker relationship after the onsite negotiations were over, not like the man was yelling it repeatedly during the confrontation. They were both "later identified". |
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21st July 2016, 03:22 AM | #22 |
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21st July 2016, 03:30 AM | #24 |
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Nah, it really looks like negligent discharge. Which is alarming as well, don't get me wrong ..
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21st July 2016, 03:47 AM | #26 |
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21st July 2016, 03:50 AM | #27 |
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Could've been worse, Levar Jones was left handcuffed for hours, even after he was in the hospital,after some cop got jumpy and shot wildly at him.
Anyway, y'all can have fun arguing with the folks here who say it's always okay for police and vigilantes to shoot black people if you want. |
21st July 2016, 03:54 AM | #28 |
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21st July 2016, 03:57 AM | #29 |
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21st July 2016, 03:58 AM | #31 |
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With 3 shots that's sadly different. It's shoot first, ask later. Also why were they handcuffed AT ALL ?
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21st July 2016, 04:00 AM | #32 |
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21st July 2016, 04:14 AM | #33 |
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I participated in a case a few years ago that involved an officer who accidentally fired his M4 Carbine that very fortunately, only resulted in property damage. He fired three rounds. The basic question in this incident was that firing one shot could be considered an accident, but firing three shots could not.
The rifle issued to the officer had three positions for the selector switch- safe, semi auto, and three round burst. In burst mode, pulling the trigger once fires three rounds in full auto for each pull of the trigger. After examining still photos shot by a bystander, it was clear that the officer had set the selector for three round burst, and had his finger inside of the trigger guard, two very serious safety violations as well as violations of department policy. The situation did not warrant his taking the weapon off safe and setting it for semi-auto single shot, let alone three round burst. And, the situation did not warrant him even putting his finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger in the first place. The incident was ruled an accident, and the officer found negligent. He lost his job and actually served time for negligent discharge of a firearm within city limits. This latest shooting where the officer fired three shots could possibly be an accident stemming from a similar set of conditions. Two things I see time and time again, are shoddy/lax firearms training, and a complete abandonment of the principles of de-escalation. It's a formula for disaster. Accident or intentional, there is absolutely no excuse for this latest horrible incident regardless of the root cause. |
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21st July 2016, 04:16 AM | #35 |
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Does police training in the US not involve de-escalation techniques AT ALL?! Do police officers not believe ANYTHING people say? Is every member of the public considered a lethal threat by default to be dealt with accordingly?
Why would a police force meet a suicidal person with raised weapons and orders of "DROP THE WEAPON" barked at them? How is that in any way a meaningful interaction? So many questions... |
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21st July 2016, 04:31 AM | #40 |
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Well reasoned. That would explain both the number of shots and the reported response the the cop didn't know why he shot Kinsey. A dumbassery SOP of cuffing anyone the police happen to shoot would pretty much complete the picture.
Now we just have to wait to see if the evidence supports the hypothesis, see if the cop faces any discipline, and see if this results in policy or training changes in the PD. |
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