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21st July 2016, 07:31 AM | #81 |
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21st July 2016, 08:05 AM | #84 |
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If it was an ND why were they even aiming at the guy trying to talk down the suicidal man? Why cuff him after he was shot? Why cuff him at the hospital when they knew for a fact he was unarmed? What possible crime could he have been suspected of?
OK, this one is boggling my mind. I can't see any plausible explanation for the police behaviour. It must surely have been an accident - but then why treat the victim as a criminal for hours? Were the cops just trying to cover themselves and see if they could trump up some charge to throw at the victim? Did they think he was an accomplice of the truck armed man? Seriously, I have no idea how this could have happened. The whole thing is surreal. |
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Or photos where he gestures at something, or encounters that someone who "looks like him" had with the cops. Those are also very important in the "apologist for black people getting shot without reason" handbook.
Also, expect "what about black-on-black crime?" to hit as soon as conservative media notice this. I think they're too busy planning to tear Ted Cruz apart for now, though. |
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21st July 2016, 08:33 AM | #90 |
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I can actually understand cuffing him. People often react angrily and violently when someone shoots them (imagine that).
The rest just boggles my mind. A 20 minute wait for medical care? What, did they call their union reps before the EMTs? |
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The 20 minute wait was for an arrest squad not medical care. He was taken to hospital from jail, not the scene. Furthermore he was placed face-down on the ground for that 20 minute wait.
They could at least have placed him sitting up or tried to make him comfortable. It almost seems like interactions with police in the US has to be made as painful as possible for members of the public. |
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I realize cops have a hard and dangerous job, and all that.
But having seen the picture, I find it truly impossible to figure out any explanation that suggests even in the faintest way that the shooting was appropriate. The suggestion that we armchair commentators are not qualified to judge the shooting of a man who is on his back, with his hands in the air, suggests that nobody should be qualified to criticize anything about anything at all, if some authoritarian says it's right. Sure, the cuffing could be justified insofar as it would be unseemly for a person who had just been wrongly shot for doing exactly exactly precisely and unequivocally the only possible thing he could do to prevent being shot except for changing his skin color to be angry! I can still understand how such accidents can happen, but I really think that if this incident is dealt with in the way other such incidents have, with a wrist slap for the cop and no charges, it will be a bloody mistake. |
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And here in Canada as well. A few months back, I was at my local pub when a disturbed guy came in, claiming to have a shotgun in his jacket (This was the after affects of a fight that had happened earlier). I and one of the managers talked him into leaving without pulling the weapon, and he was met in the parking lot by the police the other staff had called. The cops took him down, and found out he wasn't actually carrying a gun, but did it all without shooting, or even threatening to shoot anyone. |
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I have defended cop shootings .. There is NO EXCUSE in this case .. Complete compliance.
The only fault (obviously beside "I Don't Know" trigger happy idiot) ... is the person who called in and falsely reported a firearm being present. I'd like to see them in an interview |
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As I said before .. I'm quite sure police did not want shoot the black man. If they were intentionally shooting at anyone, it was the man with autism, who clearly disobeyed anything police said, and had an object in his hands.
If the gun was in burst mode, then it simply was negligent discharge. If it was not, then it was very poor shooting. As for handcuffs .. my friend was once not let into USA on the airport, cause he had wrong type of visa. They told him that have to detain him until next plane flies, and he had to be handcuffed all the time he was transported (walked and taken by the car) to the detainment room, which basically was a overnight jail. The cop straight out apologized for that and said that sadly it's regulation, and that he can't walk or take anyone into car without handcuffs. So I wouldn't find it surprising if they were to handcuff even wounded persons, especially if the person is wounded lightly. That doesn't mean I don't find it ridiculous. |
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Or here in the UK. Once while walking in the country I met a police officer on his way to investigate a report that some kids were playing with a gun in the woods nearby. I asked him whether he had one himself, and he said, "No. The day I have to carry a gun is the day I jack this job in."
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No, shooting an innocent guy feeds that narrative. At the moment it looks more like a cock up than any intentional effort. A single cop with safety off, finger on trigger and rate set to burst.
If it was just damage to property then a disciplinary, retraining and a poor record on his books. Except an innocent guy got shot. Not just that, but a black innocent guy, clearly showing that he was unarmed, was explaining the situation, and trying to de-escalate things got shot. I can't think of a way of compounding this cluster even further short of the cop killing him. The cop will be lucky if he doesn't face attempted manslaughter charges. |
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No, no, clearly it's only the ones shot by the police. So if there's a hostage situation, the police storm the location, and some of the hostages get wounded, it's important that the police find out which ones were shot by them and which ones by the hostage takers so they know who to arrest. And, of course, if one of the criminals accidentally shoots another, they have to let the second one go.
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A 'little' mistake.
I've done 28 of the last 35 years wearing baggy green skin either full time or part time. The guy failed basic weapon handling skills and shot a guy. Quite aside from the political ramifications of this incident, the complete failure to handle such a weapon safety indicate that he is unfit for his job. |
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It is standard in the U.S. to handcuff wounded or even dead suspects.
Why Cops Handcuff Dead People That said, it does seem as if the police decided that shooting the man, even if by accident, automatically made him a suspect. I don't know what he was suspected of, but it must have been something if they needed to wait 20 minutes for an arrest squad and then take him to jail before the hospital. Perhaps they felt he stole a bullet, and would not give it back. I am one who normally supports and defends the police, and think there is a strong element of moral panic in the current coverage of cop-on-black person shootings. But this one seems almost completely indefensible. Even if it was an accidental discharge from a rifle set to 3-round burst, the inability of the police to self deescalate and simply have an ambulance take the man directly to the hospital seems cruel. They were probably following some standard procedure, but there clearly needs to be a better mechanism to understand that there were no violent criminals, no suspects, no nothing there other than an autistic impaired person and a man trying to help him. |
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Thank god for video. Otherwise, this citizen/victim would be facing jail time.
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And while we're at it:
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...could someone explain WTF an "arrest squad" is, why they needed one, and why these cops weren't capable of arresting someone all by themselves, if they deemed an arrest to be needed? Isn't arresting people pretty much a basic function of all police officers? |
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I don't think you can attempt manslaughter. I think the definition of the crime is unintentional killing.
But there are variations on the theme, which vary from state to state. I think it's something along the lines of "assault with a deadly weapon", or "aggravated assault". Of course, there is "attempted murder", which in Michigan is formally called "assault with attempt to murder". There is also in some states "assault under color of authority", but I don't know whether there's a distinction between such assaults that involve either deadly force or an attempt to kill. |
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