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25th August 2017, 05:34 PM | #1 |
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Trump Pardons Arpaio
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25th August 2017, 05:44 PM | #2 |
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On the scale of questionable presidential pardons this one is pretty low
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25th August 2017, 05:44 PM | #3 |
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Arpaio: Stop anybody who looks Mexican, even if they didn't do anything. They might be illegal. Judge: Don't do that! Arpaio: Keep doing that! Judge: You're guilty of contempt. That's pretty much they way it went, right? |
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25th August 2017, 05:48 PM | #4 |
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Trump Winks At the Bigots - Pardons Arpaio
America's Convicted Sheriff has been pardoned by his majesty, Donnie Johnny I.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...017-story.html The hard core 25% (strongly support, according to Rasmussen) will love it. The rest of the world? Not so much. ETA: I know it's being discussed in other threads. This is important enough to need its own thread. |
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25th August 2017, 05:49 PM | #5 |
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If you're a Trump supporter, it's OK to defy a judge's order.
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The message is clear: Latinos and Blacks have no place in Trump's America. No doubt a FInal solution to the problem is in the works.
And to do this while a Category 4 Hurricane is bearing down on Texas.
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25th August 2017, 06:05 PM | #7 |
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Pure evil.
I'd be scared if I was too tanned, let alone an actual member of a non-white minority group. |
25th August 2017, 06:06 PM | #8 |
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Trump proves once more that he doesn't care about the Law and the Constitution when it comes to him and his friends.
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25th August 2017, 06:08 PM | #9 |
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Yes. That's really the gist of it. It's not Trump's White Nationalism at work. The only concept in his mind is do you praise me? All that matters to him is approbation. Those who give it to him get his favor above all other considerations: above justice, above injustice. He's not even a racist. He's a Trumpist.
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25th August 2017, 06:10 PM | #10 |
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25th August 2017, 06:12 PM | #11 |
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There are plenty of us who don't, and more and more of us are getting guns. Just in case.
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25th August 2017, 06:19 PM | #12 |
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If your support is unwavering, the Hair will remain loyal. Truly, Trump is a filthy whore.
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25th August 2017, 06:20 PM | #13 |
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Already a thread on this in US Politics. Mods, please merge.
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25th August 2017, 06:24 PM | #14 |
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Nvm
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25th August 2017, 06:28 PM | #15 |
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Well, of course he would.
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25th August 2017, 06:30 PM | #16 |
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Yes, it's a current event - but I started a thread where it belongs - in US Politics. It's a US Political Story more than anything.
Mods should merge them - in whichever of the two forums is deemed more fitting. |
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25th August 2017, 06:32 PM | #17 |
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And there's also another Arpaio thread here in Social & Current.
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25th August 2017, 06:39 PM | #18 |
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I have less than -0- appreciation for Sheriff Joe, knowing folks that live in his jurisdiction and officers that have served or are serving in his agency, but I've got to agree.
More than questionable Governator pardon: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cali...nunez-son.html In his final night before leaving office, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger commuted the prison sentence of the son of former Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez who had pleaded guilty to taking part in the slaying of a college student. Schwarzenegger announced the move in a batch of eleventh-hour press releases e-mailed to reporters. He also announced he was granting several other commutations and pardons and giving plum government appointments to political allies and the spouse of his chief of staff. Esteban Nuñez, who was sentenced to 16 years in prison for his role in the October 2008 stabbing death of college student Luis Dos Santos near San Diego State, had his prison term commuted to seven years by the governor. In a statement, the governor noted that Nuñez, though involved in the fight, did not inflict the fatal knife wound to Santos' chest. He cites a finding by the court that it was a friend of Nuñez who stabbed Santos through the chest, "severing his heart." "I do not discount the gravity of the offense," Schwarzenegger's statement said. "But given Nuñez's limited role in Santos' death, and considering that … Nuñez had no criminal record prior to this offense, I believe Nuñez's sentence is excessive." |
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25th August 2017, 06:49 PM | #20 |
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Does he get his job back?
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25th August 2017, 06:51 PM | #21 |
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25th August 2017, 06:53 PM | #22 |
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Everything you need to know about both men summed up in one Trump tweet:
Congratulations to @RealSheriffJoe on his successful Cold Case Posse investigation which claims @BarackObama's 'birth certificate' is fakeRacists of a feather... |
25th August 2017, 06:54 PM | #23 |
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I think the problem lies more with the signal this particular pardon sends, given this particular offender and this particular moment in time.
Also, maybe it's just me, but I do see abuse of the powers of office to treat other human beings like animals (in some cases contributing to their deaths) as more concerning than a single murder, even without the implications on our already contentious national discourse. |
25th August 2017, 06:57 PM | #24 |
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25th August 2017, 07:01 PM | #25 |
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It's not just you. The message here is pretty clear: "I don't care if police actions are constitutional or not, and I don't care if police officers act in accordance with court orders or not." It's a chilling message to anyone who gives a **** about our system of government and our civil rights.
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25th August 2017, 07:08 PM | #26 |
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I'm unsurprised. It could be as satisfying as the narrative that it's Trump's racism, but it's more likely that it's his base and that he doesn't feel that he should have been indicted. That said, pardons are usually end of term things, so I don't think even other Republicans will approve. Let's find out!
And Flake is neutral-waffling, and his challenger approves. Offf course. |
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25th August 2017, 07:10 PM | #27 |
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I don't know how anyone can be the least bit surprised about this. I'm not even disgusted. Trump has the power to do it and even though I loathe Arpaio I didn't experience any glee at seeing him disgraced. He's 80, it's a misdemeanor and this move was absolutely to be expected.
It's enough for me that he lost an election. |
25th August 2017, 07:30 PM | #28 |
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He'll run homeland security.
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25th August 2017, 07:46 PM | #29 |
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I don't think this move was calculated to please anyone but Trump. As far as I can tell Trump genuinely admires Arpaio as a great American patriot (who won't upstage Trump).
I doubt there will be much response. McCain won't be pleased but he has other priorities. If a pardon was coming it might as well come now rather than waste money fighting in court for 3 more years. Arpaio is not a danger to anyone now. Both the New Yorker and the Economist have Trump covers referencing the KKK. |
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25th August 2017, 07:57 PM | #31 |
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For supporters it offsets Seb Gorka's resignation
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25th August 2017, 08:03 PM | #33 |
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25th August 2017, 08:04 PM | #34 |
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McCain already tweeted his objections. Trump really sets a tone by using Sheriff Joe for his very first pardon.
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25th August 2017, 08:04 PM | #35 |
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25th August 2017, 08:16 PM | #36 |
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This thread is disturbing in what Arpaio was able to get away with and still be elected.
The highlight being his diversion of funds from investigating child sex abuse cases to promote himself.
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25th August 2017, 08:21 PM | #37 |
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Maricopa is large enough that they have all sorts of other news distractions and name recognition alone in local elections is generally good for a fifteen to twenty point cushion. I don't have the stats but I'll look to see if I can find them. I'll bet that the sheriff elections drew less turnout than the larger elections.
Oh, that and there's a large and dedicated (but not necessarily majority) batcrap crazy right wing in the county. |
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25th August 2017, 10:37 PM | #38 |
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25th August 2017, 10:56 PM | #39 |
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The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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