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Old 25th August 2017, 05:34 PM   #1
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Trump Pardons Arpaio

It's official.

Trump pardons former Sheriff Joe Arpaio


Will wonders never cease?
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On the scale of questionable presidential pardons this one is pretty low
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Old 25th August 2017, 05:44 PM   #3
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But...he's fightin' dem illegals!


Arpaio: Stop anybody who looks Mexican, even if they didn't do anything. They might be illegal.
Judge: Don't do that!
Arpaio: Keep doing that!
Judge: You're guilty of contempt.

That's pretty much they way it went, right?
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Trump Winks At the Bigots - Pardons Arpaio

America's Convicted Sheriff has been pardoned by his majesty, Donnie Johnny I.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...017-story.html


The hard core 25% (strongly support, according to Rasmussen) will love it. The rest of the world? Not so much.

ETA: I know it's being discussed in other threads. This is important enough to need its own thread.
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If you're a Trump supporter, it's OK to defy a judge's order.
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The message is clear: Latinos and Blacks have no place in Trump's America. No doubt a FInal solution to the problem is in the works.
And to do this while a Category 4 Hurricane is bearing down on Texas.
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Old 25th August 2017, 06:05 PM   #7
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Pure evil.

I'd be scared if I was too tanned, let alone an actual member of a non-white minority group.
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Trump proves once more that he doesn't care about the Law and the Constitution when it comes to him and his friends.
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Old 25th August 2017, 06:08 PM   #9
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If you're a Trump supporter, it's OK to defy a judge's order.
Yes. That's really the gist of it. It's not Trump's White Nationalism at work. The only concept in his mind is do you praise me? All that matters to him is approbation. Those who give it to him get his favor above all other considerations: above justice, above injustice. He's not even a racist. He's a Trumpist.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The message is clear: Latinos and Blacks have no place in Trump's America. No doubt a FInal solution to the problem is in the works.
And to do this while a Category 4 Hurricane is bearing down on Texas.
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The only people who have a place in Trump's America are those who worship him.
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There are plenty of us who don't, and more and more of us are getting guns. Just in case.
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Already a thread on this in US Politics. Mods, please merge.
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Yes, it's a current event - but I started a thread where it belongs - in US Politics. It's a US Political Story more than anything.

Mods should merge them - in whichever of the two forums is deemed more fitting.
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And there's also another Arpaio thread here in Social & Current.
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On the scale of questionable presidential pardons this one is pretty low
I have less than -0- appreciation for Sheriff Joe, knowing folks that live in his jurisdiction and officers that have served or are serving in his agency, but I've got to agree.

More than questionable Governator pardon:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cali...nunez-son.html

In his final night before leaving office, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger commuted the prison sentence of the son of former Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuñez who had pleaded guilty to taking part in the slaying of a college student.

Schwarzenegger announced the move in a batch of eleventh-hour press releases e-mailed to reporters. He also announced he was granting several other commutations and pardons and giving plum government appointments to political allies and the spouse of his chief of staff.

Esteban Nuñez, who was sentenced to 16 years in prison for his role in the October 2008 stabbing death of college student Luis Dos Santos near San Diego State, had his prison term commuted to seven years by the governor. In a statement, the governor noted that Nuñez, though involved in the fight, did not inflict the fatal knife wound to Santos' chest. He cites a finding by the court that it was a friend of Nuñez who stabbed Santos through the chest, "severing his heart."

"I do not discount the gravity of the offense," Schwarzenegger's statement said. "But given Nuñez's limited role in Santos' death, and considering that … Nuñez had no criminal record prior to this offense, I believe Nuñez's sentence is excessive."
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The message is clear: Latinos and Blacks have no place in Trump's America. No doubt a FInal solution to the problem is in the works.
And to do this while a Category 4 Hurricane is bearing down on Texas.
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Wow.

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Does he get his job back?
He lost the last election.
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Everything you need to know about both men summed up in one Trump tweet:
Congratulations to @RealSheriffJoe on his successful Cold Case Posse investigation which claims @BarackObama's 'birth certificate' is fake
Racists of a feather...
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I think the problem lies more with the signal this particular pardon sends, given this particular offender and this particular moment in time.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I do see abuse of the powers of office to treat other human beings like animals (in some cases contributing to their deaths) as more concerning than a single murder, even without the implications on our already contentious national discourse.
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The message is clear: Latinos and Blacks have no place in Trump's America. No doubt a FInal solution to the problem is in the works.
...snip...
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Poe or hyperbole?

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Also, maybe it's just me, but I do see abuse of the powers of office to treat other human beings like animals (in some cases contributing to their deaths) as more concerning than a single murder, even without the implications on our already contentious national discourse.
It's not just you. The message here is pretty clear: "I don't care if police actions are constitutional or not, and I don't care if police officers act in accordance with court orders or not." It's a chilling message to anyone who gives a **** about our system of government and our civil rights.
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I'm unsurprised. It could be as satisfying as the narrative that it's Trump's racism, but it's more likely that it's his base and that he doesn't feel that he should have been indicted. That said, pardons are usually end of term things, so I don't think even other Republicans will approve. Let's find out!

And Flake is neutral-waffling, and his challenger approves. Offf course.
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I don't know how anyone can be the least bit surprised about this. I'm not even disgusted. Trump has the power to do it and even though I loathe Arpaio I didn't experience any glee at seeing him disgraced. He's 80, it's a misdemeanor and this move was absolutely to be expected.

It's enough for me that he lost an election.
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I'm unsurprised. It could be as satisfying as the narrative that it's Trump's racism, but it's more likely that it's his base and that he doesn't feel that he should have been indicted.
I don't think this move was calculated to please anyone but Trump. As far as I can tell Trump genuinely admires Arpaio as a great American patriot (who won't upstage Trump).

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That said, pardons are usually end of term things, so I don't think even other Republicans will approve. Let's find out!
I doubt there will be much response. McCain won't be pleased but he has other priorities. If a pardon was coming it might as well come now rather than waste money fighting in court for 3 more years.

Arpaio is not a danger to anyone now.

Both the New Yorker and the Economist have Trump covers referencing the KKK.
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He lost the last election.
Fake election.

He was also convicted of criminal contempt. So what?
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For supporters it offsets Seb Gorka's resignation
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Arpaio: Stop anybody who looks Mexican, even if they didn't do anything. They might be illegal.
Judge: Don't do that!
Arpaio: Keep doing that!
Judge: You're guilty of contempt.

That's pretty much they way it went, right?
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Poe or hyperbole?
Let's see what happens.............
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McCain already tweeted his objections. Trump really sets a tone by using Sheriff Joe for his very first pardon.
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He'll run homeland security.
If so, it should it name to Special Security........
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This thread is disturbing in what Arpaio was able to get away with and still be elected.

The highlight being his diversion of funds from investigating child sex abuse cases to promote himself.

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Late 2005 to October 2007 was not a good time to be raped or molested in El Mirage.

During that time, the town had signed a contract to pay the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office $3.6 million for police services. But Sheriff Joe Arpaio didn't use the money to bolster his sex-crimes unit. Instead, the publicity-hungry sheriff's focus, as always, was on political witch hunts and pet projects that got his name in lights.

Victims of sex crimes — mostly children — in the town and throughout the county still are paying for Arpaio's misguided policies. Rapists and child molesters got away with their crimes.
Trump's pardon of Arpaio is one of the most morally depraved things he's done but WTF is wrong with the people of Maricopa County that he kept winning elections until 2016?
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This thread is disturbing in what Arpaio was able to get away with and still be elected.

The highlight being his diversion of funds from investigating child sex abuse cases to promote himself.



Trump's pardon of Arpaio is one of the most morally depraved things he's done but WTF is wrong with the people of Maricopa County that he kept winning elections until 2016?
Maricopa is large enough that they have all sorts of other news distractions and name recognition alone in local elections is generally good for a fifteen to twenty point cushion. I don't have the stats but I'll look to see if I can find them. I'll bet that the sheriff elections drew less turnout than the larger elections.

Oh, that and there's a large and dedicated (but not necessarily majority) batcrap crazy right wing in the county.
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Maricopa is large enough that they have all sorts of other news distractions and name recognition alone in local elections is generally good for a fifteen to twenty point cushion. I don't have the stats but I'll look to see if I can find them. I'll bet that the sheriff elections drew less turnout than the larger elections.

Oh, that and there's a large and dedicated (but not necessarily majority) batcrap crazy right wing in the county.
Yes. And that he continued to project an image of "Tough on Crime."
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The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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On the scale of questionable presidential pardons this one is pretty low
Behind any and and all Democratic Presidential pardons, amirite ?
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