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25th August 2017, 11:53 PM | #41 |
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26th August 2017, 01:50 AM | #43 |
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He was convicted of violating constitutional rights. By pardoning him Trump has signaled that people can violate the constitution and not suffer any consequences.
Can conservatives here really not see how dangerous this is? |
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26th August 2017, 01:52 AM | #45 |
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Winked? He gave them a standing ovation for patriotic defense of the white homeland.
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Well, in fairness to the good folks of Maricopa, Sheriff Joe was getting worse and worse returns every election. This, even with his frame-up bomb plot to gain sympathy, his harassment of opponents, etc...
A think that the county ultimately settled for about ten million dollars (settlements, not the amount sued for) for his various deeds. |
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Can conservatives see anything that harms conservatives? Not by the evidence in these sub-forums.
Why, here's a thinking conservative and former Republican blogger posting just before you. Surely he'll speak up about the Klepto in Chief. Ohhhhhh! I guess not. This is their typical reaction. "Let's deflect!" |
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Why not? He can drag his doddering old ass to political rallies and to press conferences. It's not like we're going to put him in a tent in the southwestern desert in 120 degree heat. A nice comfy white collar criminal jail. Far better than the people who had to do time under his rule!
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Is he the one who had a prisoner die of dehydration?
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26th August 2017, 02:29 AM | #51 |
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Sorry, I was flabbergasted by Dudalb's apparent suicide by mod. I mean, that one flew way above Tony Stark territory. They are going to have to AAH most of this thread to cover it up.
By comparison Trump pardoning Arpaio--not really news is it? Anyway we can say anything we want at this point. Because it will not be part of the thread for long. Chuck Norris hopes to be reincarnated as Joe Arpaio. |
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26th August 2017, 04:17 AM | #56 |
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The pardon could trigger a constitutional crises as using the executive power of pardon to allow constitutional violations seems to be very much against the intent of the power. This could all end up in court.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/o...=tw-share&_r=0 |
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Yep, wonder if there is no point in putting this bloke in prison or is that different ... because...?
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle
Pretty much this. It's the exact same reason I 100% reject the mercy reasons Germany does not prosecute and jail ancient Nazis guilty of horrible crimes. There needs to be no escape, ever, not never, ever, not no way, not no how, as a lesson to those in the future who may commit the same crimes. You will be tossed away, even wheezing and at age 90. Granted, a misdemeanor or whatever this is is quite a leap from that, but it's the thought that counts. |
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26th August 2017, 08:33 AM | #65 |
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It may have technically been a misdemeanor, but the actions which resulted in that conviction would almost certainly qualify as felonies if he was actually prosecuted for them (e.g., unlawful imprisonment). Of course, that would have required someone in Arizona's state justice system stepping up, which they didn't.
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Good morning. From everything I have read, accepting a presidential pardon, is an admission of guilt. Yet, it doesn't seem that the Sheriff feels he has admitted guilt reading his rather fired comments against the judicial system. He lost both civil and criminal cases. I've also read that by accepting the pardon, he was waived his right to plead the 5th should he be called to testify. I suspect this will turn into a bit of a mess.
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He needed to do the max. The idea that society should be solicitous towards someone who has done extreme wrong (and a law enforcement officer who knowingly, blatantly breaks the law and violates the civil rights of others absolutely qualifies) because of his or her age is offensive to me. It's just a shame they couldn't give him 10-20 years on state charges instead.
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Even after last night's news, he says he's going to have a press conference and that he's "not going down without a fight!"
Dude, you just got pardoned. I wouldn't call that going down. Best to just keep your mouth shut. |
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I had hope that the more moderate Republicans would act to reign in Trump.That has not happened. They are willing to risk American Democracy for their goddamned Tax Cuts. Let's turn the clock back 75 years, let's make Blacks and Latinos disefrachised second class citizens, but I don't care as long as I get my Marginal rate 5% tax cut.
IMHO the Republicans who think this way are begging for America to enter the worst domestic crisis since the civil war. They can take their tax cuts and put them where the sun don't shine. |
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Oh noes, Trump pardoned an 85 year old man.
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If Arapiao had been sentenced, and then Trump has just commuted his sentence (as opposed to pardon), there would not be this fuss.
The problem with the pardon is that it says that Arapaio did nothing wrong. Do you approve of what Joe Arpapio did? Or maybe you think those damn Spics got what was coming to them..... |
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Let me clarify: I do NOT advocate violence except as a last resort. I really hope Trump can be stopped by other means. But, sadly, I am afraid it might come down to a last resort.
The GOP is playing with fire,and hope that somehow they can control the fire to get their damn tax cuts through, I am really afraid they have miscalculated. |
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Judas (in the bibilical story) sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
Benedict Arnold sold out his country for a few thousand pounds and a commission in the British Army. Many in the GOP are willing to sell out the basic principals of their country for a damn tax cut. |
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