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And Trump has rescinded the Obama controls on police getting US surplus military equipment,and had ridiculed the idea that heavily armed police might make a situation worse.
Having spat on the Hispanics Friday, he spits on Afro Americans today. His bigotry is now clear for all to see. |
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28th August 2017, 11:19 AM | #173 |
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There's nothing to litigate. The President's power of pardon is just about absolute. If he was judged to be abusing it blatantly -- by, say, selling pardons -- he could be impeached, but there's no restriction on who or when he can pardon. Nixon was never charged, let alone prosecuted and convicted. Trump could say "Enough of this. I pardon everybody!," and not much could be done about it.
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28th August 2017, 12:41 PM | #175 |
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Has anyone ever wondered what good the pardoning power of the President is? What was it installed for in the first place?
Many other countries don't have it, for obvious reasons. Pardon powers are for kings, not for heads of the executive branch of government. |
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A president is the democratic equivalent (or analogue) of a king. My historical and philosophical understanding is that the ability to pardon exists because occasionally the judicial system results in miscarriages of justice due to previously unforeseen circumstances and/or how laws are worded. There are frequently limitations on how lenient the judiciary can be in a given set of circumstances.
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Like the power of veto is the check against legislative error, the pardon is the check against judicial error. That the power to pardon has been misused (many times, mainly for political purposes) is unfortunate, but it's useful when real injustice occurs. Frankly, it hasn't been used enough, especially in a backwards nation that still executes its citizens.
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When Don John said he will be the law and order president, he meant he will dictate what is law and order.
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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Gawd does Trump look like the racist he is standing there next to Arpaio.
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The power of presidential pardon just seems weird. I don't see the point of it at all beyond an extremely dodgy 'oh, he's a friend of mine and I'm the pres, let him out', one rule for the rich, another for the poor type way.
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Arpaio is upset that people view his racial profiling as racist.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...don/610186001/ |
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Racists get upset when called racist. I walked through a hypothetical conversation on here a while ago that started with the premise of person X being a racist, continued with me hypothetically calling the racist a racist and then someone asked why I was being mean to the hypothetical racist. |
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I was in another thread where a poster equated two statements as equally racist:
When I pointed out that the former statement is statistical fact, versus, the latter statement is unsupported prejudice, he got offended and had to go through hoops to rationalize it. Specifically, apparently, the statement "I don't want my daughter to marry a negro," is not "racist" - it's just "common sense." This is how we get to this situation: to some people, the racial stereotypes are so real, that they cease being prejudice, they are treated as ordinary facts. As such, there's a paradigm problem, it's not a discussion about, say, respect for the constitution or rule of law. |
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This always reminds me of someone I met many years ago from Louisiana. In one sentence he would say he is not racist nor is anyone in Louisiana. In the next sentence, he would talk about how it was inappropriate for a white woman to date an African American and go so far as to scold a couple publicly for being together.
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Arpaio got a pardon after deleting thousands of emails.
Arpaio’s office had deleted thousands of requested emails (yes!), Snow issued only mild sanctions in response. (6/15)I seem to recall this being a huge offense during the campaign. |
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Nope. There really aren't. Or at least, not any remotely rational ones - I'm sure some people out there could string together some absurdist "The sky is green because ham isn't made of cornfish" kind of thing that might technically count as an argument.
The specific thing he focused on and that was most directly related to the crime that he was convicted of: 1. Wasn't his job. 2. Violated the law. 3. Was done at the expense of doing his actual job. I think #3 is important to recognize if anyone talks about Arpaio "doing his job" - all reasonable metrics of his job performance were not just bad but atrocious. Response time, cases cleared, crime rate, etc. were all terrible when compared to similar areas. So even if we completely ignored the thing he was pardoned for, in no way was Arpaio doing his job. Except in the most basic sense that we paid him while he did all that stuff. Of course by that logic if I came into work, deleted all our files, and then took a dump on my boss' desk that would be me doing my job. Also, for anyone who isn't fully versed in Sheriff Joe's career please know that the things you've been seeing are just the tip of the iceberg. They don't even begin to scratch the surface. I could tell you all about the time they arrested my brother for clapping (that was a big payout for wrongful arrest, the judge was PISSED) or the Space Tourism scam that Arpaio ran, or the time when he falsely accused his political opponent of murdering his (the opponent's) mom right before the election, or a million other things. Yeah, in theory. I mean honestly he should have been in jail a long time ago. But that's the thing, it hasn't happened. This was like finally getting Capone on tax evasion. And even if we did manage to get him for one of his many, many, many other crimes - why wouldn't Trump just pardon him again? Obviously this is anecdotal, but in my experience non-racists are way more likely to be aware of all the subtle ingrained types of racism in society and be willing to be introspective about it. That means that in the cases where I've personally seen what I would call a non-racist person be accused of racism they say something like "Sorry! Um... what part was racist, though? I certainly didn't intend any of it to be." and there's a conversation and things get sorted out. Meanwhile, racists often go right to being pissed off because how dare you accuse them of being racist, I bet *you're* the racist and I'm being oppressed by... etc. Again, I acknowledge that this is anecdotal. |
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This was posted on Twitter by the judicial clerk for the judge who cited Arpaio:
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This is the danger of people like Trump and Arpaio. They have no ethics. Opposed by a conservative Republican they'll smear them as quickly as they'd smear the most liberal Democrat. During the proceedings Arpaio also investigated the judge's wife because of comments she was alleged to have made. Arpaio received the information in "an email from a tipster."
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