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3rd August 2018, 11:41 AM | #41 |
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3rd August 2018, 11:42 AM | #42 |
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well they are boring as hell
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3rd August 2018, 03:10 PM | #45 |
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There's no evidence of that, just a lame excuse for pathetic behavior.
Some are trying to make her see the light with their own idiotic messages, most posts on her public Facebook page (including photos) are polluted with disgusting comments: https://www.facebook.com/sarahSMHjeong |
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3rd August 2018, 05:37 PM | #46 |
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A couple of additional points:
202-2013 was before Twitter users had any real means of ignoring groups that decided to dogpile anyone - blocklists and the like only became popular due to Gamergate and other 4chan harassment campaigns. It's also true that, back then, it was particularly tough to get any sort of nuance into replies, with all of 140 characters to work with. But even worse, many places want to see this sort of edgy, "funny" reply that set off people that were clearly just trolling - unless they went to an Ivy League university, this is basically how many people started their writing careers, so you'd pretty much lock out everyone outside of a very narrow group going forward. Now, if places want to toss out anyone who, at any time, wrote something on Twitter that could be misconstrued as "hateful", especially when pushed by people who deliberately take things out of context, they're free to ruin themselves. Personally, I think Verge has the proper response to these efforts - "We know what this is, we're not interested in these games". And anyone who wants to discuss what I said about Roseanne Barr can feel free to search the forum for it. |
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She is an unappologetic racist. The "I was only doing it cause others were doing it to me" excuse wouldnt fly if she was a white male right winger, so her bigottedness should not be handwaved away with excuses you would expect from a 5 to 14 year old child.
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3rd August 2018, 08:47 PM | #48 |
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she is a boring, insipid racist too ******* dumb to delete her hate tweets
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4th August 2018, 02:34 AM | #49 |
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Reading other tweets she has made she comes across as an extremely unpleasant person and she seems to be mix her "personal" with her "professional" which I never like.
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4th August 2018, 02:47 AM | #50 |
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I'm largely in agreement with The Verge's opinion, myself. With that said, while she's hired, she is also representing the New York Times, and thus, needs to be held accountable for that which she says there. It's apparently been made clear to her that that kind of behavior is unacceptable while employed, regardless. If she does restart such behavior, even somewhat sarcastically, I would expect there to be consequences.
But then, hey, I also don't consider racism to be THE WORST THING EVER. It's a mark against a person, but there are frequently more important qualities to look at during any particular evaluation. |
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4th August 2018, 05:48 AM | #51 |
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4th August 2018, 07:00 AM | #52 |
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I could understand them employing her as a - in today's vernacular - generator of clickbait columns, newspapers have always known the drawing power of having "controversial" columnists, but it seems strange to me that you would want this person in an editorial position.
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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4th August 2018, 07:01 AM | #53 |
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The issue I have with it is not that they are hiring this person, but that so many companies have fired so many others.
She was being a "mock racist". So was Dr. Laura. So was Don Imus. So was the Papa John's guy. So was that comedian who played on Seinfeld. So was that PR representative flying over Africa. There's no reason to believe that any of those people were racists. Jimmy the Greek wasn't even racist, although he did say some things about race that most people wouldn't agree with. If you touch the wrong nerves, it doesn't matter what you actually meant. You're gone. On the other hand, as long as you are insulting white people, context matters. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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4th August 2018, 10:40 AM | #56 |
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The New York Times fired a white editor in February for racial bigotry. The New York Times has now decided not to fire an editor for racial bigotry. Who the bigotry was targeted at is the difference. Or another way to put it – White person displays bigotry = GTFO POC displays bigotry = nuance and context need to be considered |
4th August 2018, 10:41 AM | #57 |
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Jeet Heer shows why you shouldn't just assume good faith with these 4chan goons. So columnist Andrew Sullivan was apparently hurt by the awful awful racism of Sarah Jeong - and helpfully quotes some of her awful racist quotes.
One problem - the racist quote she took from her, from 2013, was a parody of "we must listen to both sides" takes on scientific racism. And the specific person she was mocking? Why none other than noted defender of The Bell Curve...Andrew Sullivan. Yeah, he's angry about a parody of himself. Maybe he should have looked into that before firing off his column. |
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The bigger issue that no one seems to care about is that she helped those disgraces to journalism over at Vice SWAT Chinese maker Naomi Wu.
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4th August 2018, 12:26 PM | #59 |
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I was thrilled when NYT stood by her and refused to fire her.
This kind of thing wakes up white sleepers like nothing else. The double standards, the endorsement of anti-white sentiment, etc. What sort of credibility can these media outlets really expect to have when they call out "racism" on the part of whites and then do something like this? Best possible outcome from my perspective. |
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Yeah, Salon did a good write-up of this. https://www.salon.com/2018/08/04/and...were-innocent/
The NYT doesn't need lawyers when they have attackers who make their case for them. The timeline is so obvious that the complainers are being reduced to "Yeah, but...." arguments. Yeah, but it doesn't matter; she shouldn't say racist-sounding things even if she's just parodying stuff that actual racists said. |
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4th August 2018, 11:04 PM | #63 |
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Here's a selection of other archives I came across. There is some duplication due to the links but if you click on some of them you will see that not all the tweets are deleted and can peruse the other comments.
edit: probably NSFW in some way http://archive.fo/igOck http://archive.fo/XUFku https://archive.fo/B4kG3 http://archive.fo/ooD0I http://archive.fo/MEORV http://archive.fo/Q6qvX http://archive.fo/9Wdcu |
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I'm becoming a fan. Some of her stuff is very funny. I like when she says she's going to take away all men's games and replace them with kale.
For the humor challenged*, it's sarcasm and it's funny. *You know, like when Donald Trump makes fun of a handicapped reporter? Now that's humor! Ha ha. It was a joke. You people don't understand his 4D chess sense of humor. |
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4th August 2018, 11:26 PM | #65 |
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Here's a timeline someone made of her tweets that mention "white"
https://twitter.com/nickmon1112/stat...37806775226368 and I'm not denying that the gamer thing was a joke. I think that's pretty obvious |
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But right wing commentators did it first, so lets sink to their level. That way we can eventually sink down into the muck enough to get a left wing version of trump and beat them at their own game next elections.
Just because the hypocrites on the right are having their day in the sun, it does not mean we should be endorsing the equivillent witless hypocrites on the left. Call the hypocrites out directly and stop the revenge bigotted generalisations. Ammo for the extreme right wing is still ammo even if it is "blank rounds" that just make alot of noise. |
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And they'll have "ammo" even if the rounds are created out of nothing. Obama's such a Muslim, after all. The Parkland students and Sandy Hook parents were crisis actors, after all.
I'm to the point where I just don't endorse shrinking away in fear from, say, being a reasonable person. Seriously, why should we be intimidated by the right wing's unreasonability, lies, and penchant for vile threats? Standing up for what's actually right is what we should actually be doing, not kowtowing to the aching butts of those who are too busy trying to engage in tu quoque and the like. Racism (definitely including against whites) is a real problem... where it's actually happening. Indulging their attempts to drag others down with quarter truths and lies that play to things that they've been shown to be just validates their opinion that those who think they are, say, racist can be easily manipulated and dismissed. |
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She was mocking them. If you can't see that, then you are choosing not to. That is not a tu quoque defense.
You can respond to idiots by making a six page footnoted counter-argument. Pulling you hair from your head and throwing up your hands in disgust. Scream at them and call them names. (see Trump, Donald J.) Ignore them and hope they'll go away. Mock and ridicule them. She chose the latter. It's a form of response, IMHO, far better than three others (2, 3, 4) and more effective in many circles than the scholarly discourse route. |
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This is why they give us chocolate and vanilla. Or, more accurately, P.G. Wodehouse and Benny Hill. Tastes in humor vary.
I believe they say "that's why they give us chocolate and vanilla". More appropriate to this topic, perhaps, "That's why they give us Benny Hill and Mark Twain". ETA: It's not really sarcasm. I misspoke. It's parody (or satire if you want to elevate it). |
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Well, that would depend on the blacks or Asians. Plenty of idiots to go around in this world. And it would depend on what aspect she was making fun of. We don't have to speculate in the current iteration because by backtracking, they've shown who and what she was mimicking.
The I'm Rubber You're Glue tactic is very hard to pull off. Gays got some mileage out of "breeders" for a while, but it just didn't upset the hetero world as clever as we cool-hip urban denizens thought it was. Trashing white people in general seems to work. Lookit, I'm not subscribing to her newsletter or starting a fan club, but I am saying that I agree with what the conservatives think is just an excuse. It's a viable way to treat trolls. Throw their **** right back in their own faces. The conservasphere reaction is manufactured, manufactured by the same people who manufactured the outrage over YECs being banned from teaching, over the War Against Christmas, and the liberal bullying that shuts down free speech. |
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What if... instead of saying ''they' are getting 'our guys' fired by dredging up some out of context tweets, so now we're going to get random strangers fired by taking their tweets out of context, because we believe those people are part of 'them'', everybody just cuts it out with the faux outrage and trying to divide the world into 'us' and 'the enemy'?
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