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13th October 2018, 12:55 PM | #81 |
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13th October 2018, 01:34 PM | #83 |
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I'm saying that everyone in the country saw the vulgar and racist attacks the left poured down on Kanye for visiting Trump, which was more severe than their usual attacks on anyone who steps across the line and says something not considered politically correct by The Party. (They aren't demanding their usual apology because they know one isn't going to be coming.) According to USA Today, 36% of African Americans approve of Trump and they are all watching the way Kanye is being treated. Best for the Dems to find a more discreet way of handling their loyalty problems, and camps are a way to do that without anyone being able to see what they are doing. All totalitarians know that if they can't bully people into compliance, they are over. And if the Dems lose any significant percentage of the African American vote, they are over. So, it's a crisis. As far as camps go, pick just about any college and that will do. Everything is already in place.
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Kanye gets ridiculed for anything he says or does. He's a laughingstock. President Trump giving him a platform to speak publicly in any context should be viewed as GOP sadism. But if you think the Dems have the power, much less the will, to run reeducation camps, this discusdoon belongs in Conspiracy Theories
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13th October 2018, 01:49 PM | #85 |
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erm... what? What racist attacks against Kanye by Democrat officials did I miss?
Also, if this is supposed to be a "this famous black man who is bragging about his wealth and rambling about his Adidas deal is for me, so there you have it, Democrats, my policies are best for the black community", then some common sense may be amiss. I am quite shocked at the level of stupidity displayed in US politics as well as by some posters here. Did anyone with half a brain really listen to Kanye and thought: "Yeah, these two geniuses really have it all figured out!"? I think Kanye needs help with his mental issues. Any other conclusion than this one from what was displayed seems out of place. Yes, and apart from the conclusion that things are seriously going sideways in US politics (if not to say: in the USA). |
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Hmmmmm....what I've read here has not been racist at all. What I've written and read here is that West is obviously mentally ill which he has himself admitted and that he is not taking his medication. I'm upset with Trump for using a sick man for his own agenda, not West who needs help. Or do you think his non-stop,all over the board monologue in the Oval Office made sense?
Stop touting that one Rasmussen poll. It's a one off from all the others.
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It's always a little iffy to try to read an extreme RWer's thought process, but...from BB's references to "Dem's loyalty problems," I think the idea is that KW, in bucking the usual expectation that he should, as a black man, be a Democrat, is only being attacked because he's a black man who isn't- by definition, any attack at all on him, whether or not race is even mentioned, is a racist one. Which is kind of weird since the only people playing the race card here are the RWers who are usually the first to decry anyone else they think is doing so. (I think the whole thing is sort of like that thing they do when they claim that anyone who calls someone a bigot is somehow a bigot themselves- recursion as an unbreachable wall, a circle that defends itself just by being one.)
I could be wrong; I suppose the best way for BB to clear up what he means by "racist attacks the left poured down on Kanye for visiting Trump" is to actually quote a few and show how they're racist outside of just being attacks on a guy who visited Trump and happened to be black. My prediction- he won't. |
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13th October 2018, 09:16 PM | #89 |
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Heck it was a pretty obvious he wasn't alright dating all the way back to Hurricane Katrina.
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Maybe many people think that they are socialist countries because Republicans and Fox keep telling them so. |
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Yeah, and somebody ought to help Kanye West, too! Many U.S. presidents did before him, so it's not a big deal.
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The most racist thing said about it I have seen was CNNs panel which used terms like ‘minstrel show’ and ‘token negro’. However, said panel was 3/4 African American and they were the ones using those terms.
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Indeed. Apparently the work of a fertile imagination.
Go ahead BrooklynBaby, prove me wrong. Please cite just one elected Democratic official, or otherwise prominent leftie, who issued a racist attack against West. This should be a cakewalk given that "everyone in the country" saw it happen. |
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The thing about all this that bothers me is: A lot of people attacked Kanye simply for being Kanye. He's always been an attention whore. This did not change. He has always been a little bit of a rebel. This did not change. He's always been long winded. This did not change. The only thing that changed was; he found a new topic that caused controversy and got him the attention he seeks. (he's not dumb, its free publicity regardless of what anyone says) You think this is hurting Kanye? lol.
Everyone should jump off his junk. He didnt change. People freaked because they didnt like what he said, so he must be having an "episode" or Trump should be ashamed for having him there etc. All BS. The cool part of it is, this really will wake some people up to the hypocrisy of it all. Everyone pointing at someone, when they should be looking in the mirror. |
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I'm not 100% sure since there was no link provided, but I believe that the "racist attacks by the left" is in reference to a panel from a CNN show in which one of the members paraphrased an old Chris Rock bit saying "Kanye West is what happens when negroes don't read" & the one white member of the panel gets visibly uncomfortable. They then explain the reference while laughing.
After that, another of the panel's members calls Kanye a "token negro". This seems to have gotten changed to "token n-word". |
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Given that West admits to mental illness, and given that he recently admitted to going off of meds, I'm assigning roughly the same weight to "All BS" as when Trump says "fake news" on a daily basis : nil.
Let's not forget that the things he said in the oval office were flat out disturbed. |
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How was Kanye being any different then when he ran on stage to grab the mic from Taylor? Was he having an episode then? How about the tour where he floated around on platform and talked to the audience? Was he on an episode then? What was so different about Kanye on this occasion in comparison to any of his other appearances speaking? |
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While I hesitate to cite People, still, take this into account River & BB:
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I don't closely follow Kanye West so I can't speak to those incidents. I doubt he caught mental illness recently, like one catches a cold, so maybe those were "episodes". I dunno.
One big difference here, in case you missed it, is the episode took place in the oval office while cynically being used as a prop by a rank bigot. |
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Some examples of Kanye interviews that are older.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpPhkOHVY-8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTbS_Es1fU4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJAobv6NKEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmu8d9vkUFs |
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Here are those two examples. Language warning on the second link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvaakT52RjQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkUr99epJh8 |
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If Kanye West retracts? Retracts what? His nonsensical monologue in the Oval Office? Why would he even do that when what people are talking about is his mental illness? Are you saying you would only agree he is mentally ill if he makes some statement saying that people should ignore what he said in the Oval Office due to his mental illness? See the problem with that is that ... he is mentally ill (allegedly).
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ugh, Dennis Rodman and now Kanye West look like damn fools with the MAGA hats on.
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For anyone to try and normalize what happened in the Oval Office by excusing it as "SOP" for West needs to take off the "must defend Trump and anything he does" blinders. Because this isn't about West for them, it's about defending Trump.
Does anyone consider what happened at the WH as normal behavior? West supposedly went there to discuss prison reforms. Did that occur? No. Instead this happened:
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How is any of that "normal"? The man is admittedly mentally ill and off his meds, for chrissakes. That 'interview' does absolutely nothing to counter that but does a hell of a lot to support it. Some posters need to stop trying to excuse it as anything other than what it was: Trump's shameful use of a sick man as a photo op. |
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West has clearly skimmed a lot of books.
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