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26th December 2018, 10:29 AM | #81 |
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Can either of you offer an example of what this "comparable thing" would look like? You can use any industry run almost exclusively by black people which employs mostly white people in your example.
Can either of you offer an example of "serious consequences" a white person suffered for being allegedly racist? Because I can provide examples of blatantly racist white people being rewarded with things like votes and positions of power. I think it would be beneficial to the discussion to compare and contrast. |
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This is all semantics.
A black/white dynamic can be "wrong" or "exploitative" or "unfairly unbalanced" without being slavery. Can you quit doing it? Then it's not slavery. Are you paid to do it? Then it's not slavery. This ain't that hard. |
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26th December 2018, 12:26 PM | #86 |
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That's no, then. Thanks.
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Looking at incidents of white people suffering "serious consequences" for their racism (alleged or actual) allows us to compare and contrast with this incident to see if white people are actually treated unfairly, as you are implying.
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27th December 2018, 04:22 AM | #89 |
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No, it's a perfectly legitimate question. But it's okay, I understand why you tried to answer it the way you did but the question and your apparent answer just didn't connect. It's an entirely valid question. If you don't know the answer, you can just say 'I don't know'. |
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Yeah now that is the real scandal is American sports. That college athletics is a multi billion dollar a year industry, with an unpaid workforce. Of course the big schools get around that with their booster clubs and there is a scandal every few years when they get caught. They even had the gall to put players likeness in games and advertising and tell them to get stuffed when they ask for recompense.
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This, I definitely agree with, and refuse to watch college sports over (not that I'm a huge sports fan). Particularly given the grueling work they do, I'm pretty sure they can't even accept money for signing autographs. Football cheerleaders don't get much pay, either.
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LeBron wasn't complaining about his own situation, but it is fun to see that didn't stop the "spoiled greedy athlete" outrage.
The irony being that LeBron is arguably the most underpaid athlete in the history of sports due to the NBA collective bargaining agreement. Were NBA teams allowed to freely bid for his services (and LeBron only cared about how much he were paid) the mind reels as to what he'd have gotten. So if he were to complain about what he is paid, he'd be pretty justified. |
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Maybe LeBron James talks like a raging Anti-Semite? Possibly without even knowing it? Though, this could help explain why he perceives a "slave mentality" among these owners:
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Perhaps he is trying to break free of the shekels that bind him in his slave-like condition? Personally, I condemn his disgusting antisemitism in the strongest possible terms. |
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Poor Lebron. You should start up a charity or a go fund me for him. In the meantime keep watching the sport on tv (especially paying attention to the commercials!)/ buying tickets/ placing bets. If you spend enough he might get a raise, or at the very least, additional sponsorships with sweet perks.
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I can't give an example of an exactly comparable thing but I can offer a similar hypothetical statement reflecting the racism of LeBron James.
Imagine a white guy publicly saying this... "In the NFL they got a bunch of black guys playing on teams and they got that primitive jungle savage mentality," John Doe said. "And it's like, 'This is the team. We do what the **** we want to do. Or we will make trouble for y'all.'" This is racism and what LeBron said is racism too. But I would expect negative consequences for white John Doe beginning with widespread outrage and then moves towards punishing him. There are no real consequences against LeBron James being racist against white people because that is socially acceptable and is just an everyday thing. This kind of everyday racism against white people is so common and acceptable that it isn't even recognized for being what it is. |
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Seeing my question wasn't answered, I'll answer it myself.
LeBron earns $35.6m a year plus $53m a year in sponsorship. Every 10 days he earns more than the average American does in a lifetime. In 2017 he was projected to be a billionaire before his 40th birthday. Earlier this year he was on target to being the highest paid NBA player in history. So yes, let's take a brief moment and allow our thoughts to be with this poor, oppressed pauper who is under the control of 'slave-masters', "the most underpaid athlete in the history of sports", who would of course be "pretty justified" "if he were to complain about what he is paid". Alternatively, we can marvel at the hero worship necessary to come out with this crap. |
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I guess words are louder than actions sometimes
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No, they don't get a cut.
They get a free college education, if they want it. Free room and board. And more importantly they get specific job related training in their field that they can't get anywhere else, if they make it to the pros, this is probably the most valuable part of the package they get. |
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Going way back to the OP, I think the issue presented is the double standard for racist speech. The justification I often hear is that POC are not in a position of power and therefore cannot be racist. James does not seem to have that out. He has immense social and economic power. Does this affect his privelege to say hateful things with impunity?
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Ok. Social science is not a forum member. SS is not being asked to opine. Would you consider James to be immune to accusations of racism based on being black?
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