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20th January 2019, 05:21 PM | #201 |
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20th January 2019, 05:25 PM | #203 |
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20th January 2019, 05:50 PM | #204 |
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"There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that."
Nathan Phillips, taking the side of the abusive, homophobic, misogynistic actual hate group. And that is all you need to know about this ******* Race Grifter https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...eo/2630256002/ |
20th January 2019, 06:30 PM | #205 |
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Excellent post. Here's current reporting from the NYT, which impresses me as accurate and balanced:
Fuller Picture Emerges of Viral Video Between Native American Man and Catholic Students |
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20th January 2019, 06:37 PM | #206 |
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The students were chanting their school slogans to drown out the hate filled homophobic/racist rhetoric of an actual hate group.
They are god damn heroes. The Resistance should be ******* ashamed. |
20th January 2019, 06:46 PM | #207 |
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20th January 2019, 06:51 PM | #209 |
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I think Gillette is going to have to make a new ad.
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20th January 2019, 07:22 PM | #210 |
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The scumbags on Twitter are still taking the side of the profoundly homophobic hate group.
The Resistance is totally broken. Thank you Covington Catholic, let the Resistance lay down with their hate group heroes. |
20th January 2019, 07:26 PM | #211 |
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Yep, well I've seen enough to say that there was plenty of idiocy to go round that day.
Personally, I find it hard to get upset by the Black Israelites. I saw them once on Louis Theroux and found them hilarious. The way they dress and their beliefs about George III being a very pale-skinned black man just can't be taken seriously enough to make me angry. The MAGA-hat brats just come across as being the usual loud and annoying teens. I think the fact that there were so many of them means that in some contexts they could come across as intimidating. It doesn't look like the Indian guy was particularly intimidated though, so whatevs... Travis, maybe you could try some meditation or something, to avoid being permanently outraged. IIRC your posts used to be funny and you seemed to be able to comment rationally on things and employed humour and irony. I would suggest disconnecting from Twitter and Facebook and try and go on holiday somewhere, get drunk, pick up some chicks, or dudes, or whatever and have some fun. The sands of time are slipping by and you don't want to look back on your life and say, "I certainly spent a lot of my time shaking my fist on social media." |
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20th January 2019, 07:56 PM | #212 |
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Links to hilited part? 'Cuz I kinda suspect this is your fevered imagination at work.
Seems that most of Twitter has bought into the stupid narrative originally promulgated by the god-botherers in support of their sainted leaders. And by that I am referring to the idiots who talked about The Great Peacemaker as having been "surrounded by" the school kids, had his progress impeded by an arrogant white boy, etc... Bunch of crap! There were several clusters of people filling the steps around the dangerous mob of Black Hebrew Israelites. (Where dangerous equals "not at all" and "mob" equals five guys.) All around the reflecting reflecting pond and various memorials, people come to watch arguments. A crowd gathered after the initial group of Catholic kids, which was only about a dozen, probably tweeted their buddies to come see the argument over on the steps. The kids were on the steps. But there are other wings of spectators left and right of them. The Great Peacemaker took it upon himself to put himself between the groups. The kids were being mouthy but there's zero evidence of them chanting Trumpette slogans. The best they could do is school pep rally chants. To be sure, there is some mockery. The Tomahawk chop is evident in at least one video, for instance. And I wouldn't be so quick to say that the students chanting along were doing so in "innocent fun". But the blatant hostility claimed by my brothers and sisters on the left is no where to be seen. Evil Smirky Boy did not "block" The Great Peacemaker. The Great Peacemaker decided to bring his magic juju to what he perceived to be the troublemakers. He's in the kid's face. The kid merely did not move. The above, by the way, editorializing aside, syncs with the narratives of both Evil Smirky Boy and The Great Peacemaker. Like I said.... Chi idiot decides to take on MMA fighter and get his ass handed to him. Great Peacemaker decides to bring the spirit god of non-conflict,... and it worked, amiright? No one threw any punches at anyone. (snerk) God-bothering race-baiting idiots trying to draw a crowd and draw a crowd of god-bothering kids and both are interrupted by god-bothering busybodies. Sounds like a lose/lose/lose situation for all parties. The entire narrative plays out over almost two hours. The intervention is maybe fifteen minutes. Luckily the tribal group had their video running because they got to their viewership first and we thus have useful supplicants twitch-reacting on Twitter. |
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20th January 2019, 08:48 PM | #214 |
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20th January 2019, 09:35 PM | #215 |
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Both the Catholic thing and the Native American thing have been dubbed "marches." Maybe if they were marches there wouldn't have been hours for people to stay put, getting increasingly annoyed at each other.
Phillips sounds like a loon. ETA: I missed the part where the anti-abortion March ended and they were hanging out waiting for the bus. |
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“I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation,”
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20th January 2019, 10:47 PM | #217 |
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I saw a C.S. Lewis quote that I think is relevant here:
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20th January 2019, 11:40 PM | #218 |
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21st January 2019, 12:28 AM | #219 |
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I know you said "shortly" after Trump's election in the OP but you failed to give any impression that your views later changed. So, many people here may have assumed you still felt that way. That seems inconsiderate to the people here who were genuinely concerned for your mental health.
I wouldn't say everything, but yes, it changes a lot. Those kids did not seek out a confrontation, as far as I can tell. Maybe the MAGA hats were intended to get a rise out of people, but maybe not. They come from a small Kentucky city and might not be fully aware how many people despise Trump. And even if they were trolling, so what? They have the right to wear hats with political slogans on them. If Russians wanted to design a situation to further polarize Americans they could not have picked a better incident. Maybe we should stage videos of people getting along and talking with respect. But those probably wouldn't go viral. Democrats and Trump lovers go at it - you won't believe what happens next! |
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Well, what do you think? It certainly was foreign to his audience, but do you think it was a language that Mr. Phillips spoke as his native tongue? I'm guessing his native tongue is English, but it is at least conceivable that he might be bilingual in Omaha, which is his tribe. Do you think it's an Omaha song? At the time I wrote the post, I knew it was some sort of intertribal song, so I figured that whatever language it was in, it wasn't his language, so, yeah. Foreign. To everyone involved, including the singer.
At the time I wrote the post I figured the language was either Lakota, or nothing. I decided to look it up. As it turns out, the latter was correct. The song was composed in the 1970s and the sounds of the song are not words at all. There is some speculation that it was inspired by a more traditional song with an older pedigree, but there's no definitive history prior to a recording in the early 70s. And normally, I would give credit, maybe even a , for a clever turn of phrase on your part, even if technically incorrect, except that it inspired this piece of drivel: |
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You know what? I think you are telling porkies.
I think you had no idea what you posted until zooterkin pointed it out to you. You slipped and inadvertently allowed a little of your racial bias to peek out, and when you realised your mistake, instead of fessing up, you took fake umbrage, and have now made up this cover story. You might call it drivel; I call it a conclusion based on what I have seen before. |
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Congratulations, you win the prize for the most hilariously ridiculous post of the whole thread, taking apologism to soaring new lows.
"Oh, of course nobody condemned on the black group for their overt racism, homophobia and calls to violence because they were just too obnoxious! Everybody focused on the white group because they were nowhere near as bad!" LOL! Do you actually believe that ***** ? Have you, in some neurological shenanigans worthy of its own scientific study, convinced yourself that what you are saying actually makes sense? The group indulging in by far the worst hatred is practically ignored, whilst the group which exhibits little to none of that behaviour is vilified across half the Western world. Of course! It all makes sense. Just like if the school kids had been black and had stared at a Native American, and the Israelites had been white and shouting racist epithets and homophobic taunts and threatening violence, you would have course not have condemned the whites because their vile behaviour would have been too obvious! Duh, silly me, what was I thinking? Can anybody beat that crock? |
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absolutely no question about it, this person has called a verified, homophobic racist hate group who was taunting and threatening a group of high school students (and others, including this idiot's own group) "prey" and as a result the high school victims of the hate group are getting death threats.
That is pure race grifting and the left's viral hysteria machine in a nutshell. But a few of them had on Maga hats, say "skeptics." Pathetic |
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Don’t forget this one, too
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church |
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A total whataboutism, but do you remember the time that the 18 year old girl got rape threats because she had the nerve to ask Trump a question?
This isn't exclusive to the left, like you're trying to make it be. It sucks, it's stupid, and there certainly are several on the left that have bought a narrative. Again though, there has been zero violence, there has been zero property and personal damage, and that's a good thing. The people making death threats should be caught, charged, and serve whatever sentence they're given. Try to check your fake ass outrage though. These kids aren't innocent little chitlins caught in the midst of something they didn't understand. They were actively making racial signs and provoking. |
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How long until The PDJT invites that kid to a White House dinner?
Of hamberders, no doubt. |
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Wow this thread is a masterclass of partisan thinking, on both sides.
Not explicitly, but the insinuation is that the US isn't as great as it used to, and it's mostly the fault of immigrants and foreigners. Sounds a bit racist to me. Should I go the serious route and ask you what you mean, or make the obvious joke that you seem to be saying that education is leftist, and ignorance conservative? Hmmm... I'll try the former. I can't decide whether you're deliberately ignoring the posts you're refering to, or if you just didn't read or understand them. I'll try the former. |
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I fully expected that anti-catholic bigotry is in the forefront of this race grifter fiasco.
Say, lets post some actual quotes from the new darlings of the left shall we? Homophbic actual hate group Race grifter "Elder" Phillips defends these ******* ******** as "prey." |
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21st January 2019, 08:50 AM | #231 |
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Not sure I believe him. Hell, I'm not sure I believe anyone anymore.
This thread is way too broken along party lines for me to trust anyone's analysis. It must be great to construct such a simplistic world for yourself, avoiding any nuance or complexity from the real world. Excuse me, what's "the resistance"? No it doesn't. Don't read too much into things. |
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While I don't disagree with your characterization of the Black Israelites, your link isn't as advertised. It's a link to random post on twitter, posted by someone who doesn't know the difference between "indigenous" and "ingenious". If it's your aim to provide evidence that this group is what you (and most people) think it is, direct evidence would be useful.
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21st January 2019, 08:56 AM | #234 |
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Okay seriously are parents telling their children they'll die if they don't achieve X amount of outrage over "the other side" every 24 hours?
No matter how bad things get (to counter the "Oh so you're saying these are good people?" retorts before they happen) I never want to get to the point where I'm addicted to outrage like the big players in this thread are. And an open letter to everyone who's gonna have a problem with this... your anger (or at least the way you are manifesting it) doesn't make you better at fixing the problems you think these people are causing. But please another 20 pages of "Libtards" and "Orange man bad!" back and forth. |
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The entire video has been linked in this thread repeatedly, and that is a transcript of quotes, which constitute just a short segment of the unadulterated hate spewed by the Black Hebrews.
Literally have to spoon feed people. here is is again. https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...video&src=typd |
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For example:
http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ 79% Democrat to 21% Republican. This is an indirect survey, using campaign contributions as a proxy, so the real numbers will be a bit different, but the tilt is pretty clear. But even if we decide that this tilt isn't uniform, so that some places tilt left and some tilt right, the problem will remain. It would also remain if schools all tilted to the right. School administrators will have political leanings, and those leanings will affect what kinds of protests they support students participating in and which they don't. It isn't really better if students are going to pro-choice protests in California and pro-life protests in Texas, that isn't balance. It won't work for schools to support any and all protests (students will just start protesting in order to skip school), so the only way to achieve actual balance is to not support any student protests. And that policy better aligns with the purpose of schools in the first place. |
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21st January 2019, 09:06 AM | #237 |
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isn't this exactly how Freedom of speech is supposed to work?
Groups with differing backgrounds and beliefs, talking in a public square, without resorting to violence? |
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Thanks for the link. It's refreshing to see that we're having a productive conversation for once, and on politics, to boot!
For the record, I have no problem with such a tilt in a profession, just like I don't have a problem with a conservative tilt in government. But 79 to 21, really? No independants or non-respondants? |
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