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There's not really any point to having a problem with such a tilt, because it will happen regardless. Sometimes such a tilt can be increased or enforced by discriminatory methods, and that's a problem, but people's preferences are going to end up correlating to some extent with their politics, just like they correlate with other factors (such as sex), so tilts are inevitable.
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21st January 2019, 09:23 AM | #248 |
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From my own perspective all these groups should be allowed to say anything they like. If this thread was simply somebody posting the video I wouldn't even bother to reply. A bunch of idiots, some worse than others, who cares? What I object to is this searing hypocrisy from the left who suddenly become selectively deaf to blatant hate speech when it suits, and prefer to vilify a bunch of kids because Trump.
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Random folks calling for a school shooting in Covington
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status...68396214198273 You see, he was there to defuse the situation, and keep those high school beasts from offending the actual hate school "prey." I assume that Joe will let me know shortly if this post is acceptable.... oh dear, guess not. |
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This. The racist, bigoted, homophobic caricature of teenagers wearing MAGA hats the left has constructed in their heads was on full display at the Lincoln Memorial. The only problem is it wasn't the white kids displaying that caricature, it was the black guys who were. Now that it is proven that someone other than white Donald Trump supporters were behaving in this manner, it's time to tone down the rhetoric and reconsider jumping to conclusions without all the facts.
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Anyway, the good news is we have all learnt something from this:
1) not to jump to conclusions without seeing the context in which the outrage de jour occurred in 2)
3) spend more time outside than bitching on the internet: seriously! If there is one thing those native Americans, black Israelites and white MaGA kids had in common it was that they were enjoying some good old fashioned face-to-face banter which is so refreshing in a world where the average political engagement is to make virtual death threats, engage in doxxing, call people rapists and racists and peados online without any real world consequences. I would almost go as far as to say it was a touching display of multicultural bonding. |
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This might blow your mind, but actually BOTH were. The chop, the mocking dance, etc.
I haven't seen one person on this forum defend the black ********. I haven't seen a single one. Did Phillips? It certainly looks like it, but he isn't representative of "the left". I'm part of "the left" and I don't react at all like TBD has said my people and I react. Hell, this whole thread has been him accusing "the left" of wanting to kill these kids, he attributes every statement from every dumb **** that identifies as left wing to every single one of us. It's actually retarded by the literal definition. It slows\bogs down the conversation. Now, yes, the left wing media, and the bulk of others should have gone for full coverage rather than sound bites. I see people here on both sides acknowledging that. |
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"Dueling Narratives"
"Sandmann, in the statement later tweeted by CNN’s Jake Tapper, said he and his peers were responding to the Hebrew Israelite protesters.
“'Because we were being loudly attacked and taunted in public, a student in our group asked one of our teacher chaperones for permission to begin our school spirit chants to counter the hateful things that were being shouted at our group,' Sandmann said." Daily Beast. |
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I see very much is being made of Phillips claim that he was a Vietnam Vet, who served in the Marines.
The last combat Marines left Viet Nam in 1971, which would have made our hero 17 years old at the time. Claims to have been something called a "Marine Recon Ranger"?? Is that even a thing? |
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By whom?
So what does that mean? He couldn't have possibly served in Viet Nam? Is that your claim? I don't care either way, it's just tough to pin down what you're actually saying because your posting style is to be as vague as possible to avoid making any actual claim. I.e. this post. |
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I am not making a claim, others including the OP and Phillips are making the claim.
He said he was a marine combat infantryman in VietNam, and I am skeptical given the fact he was no more than 17 years old when the last combat marines left Viet Nam. In fact, if he joined the Marines on his birthday, his training would have to have been significantly curtailed for him to have made it to Viet Nam before the last combat troops were removed. Sure it could have happened, I'd like to see if it really did. |
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Marine Recon is a thing:
United_States_Marine_Corps_Reconnaissance_Battalio ns Some of those Marines go through the Army Ranger school I think the definition of what is or is not a Vietnam Veteran includes people who served clear through the Fall of Saigon. Marines were the last U.S. military people out of Vietnam in 1975. |
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It is in the thread, as I already said, and there are hundreds of other sources
https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status...24484278095872 Do you have evidence that he served in Viet Nam like he claimed? Yes or No |
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For starters, I haven't yet seen a claim in his words that Phillips was specifically a combat infantryman, but I'm not much of a military person so I may have missed the phrasing. Could you supply a quote?
Looking a bit at the timeline, it appears parts of the marines were involved there through 1975 in roles other than direct combat, like evacuating refugees. In fact, here are two marines who were killed in Vietnam in 1975: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Char...d_Darwin_Judge |
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My lasting impression is that the media has really screwed up badly in the last couple days, running stories (scoops) without proper context or fact-checking. First the Buzzfeed story on Friday, now this one.
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I'm no expert on the military but I was skeptical from the beginning about Phillips being a Marine in Vietnam. Maybe he was, I don't know enough to say, but seeing as he is happy to lie about his actions in a video three days ago, I can't see why we should believe him. Maybe he did go for six months as a radio operator or something. I can't imagine he made a great contribution and returned to the US all before his 17th birthday.
If he were a 'prominent' right-winger making this claim we would already have our answer. The media would have delved right in there, from the Huffington Post to the UK Guardian, and any discrepancy would be plastered all over the headlines. Somehow, though, I doubt his claims will ever be formally probed. |
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Why do you keep posting the same thing, attacking posters for discussing the topic? I seem to remember a thread not so long ago where you got pretty outraged and, over the course of two full weeks, made what must be approaching 100 posts on the topic of a man asked to leave a yogurt shop.
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You said people are making a big deal out of it. Mentioning it is not, to me, "making a big deal out of it". It's mentioning it. Just like it mentions, and other have also mentioned, that the small group of ******** are black. I don't see that as making a big deal out of it, just a fact that is being stated.
I'm also not claiming he's a Vietnam vet. I don't care. It doesn't excuse his behavior, no matter what service he performed for the US. I don't quite have the chub for people who serve in the military that others do. It's a choice. Respectable, but we all play our role. |
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I feel your definition of "topic" and my definition of "topic" aren't the same thing.
Here's a hint "Grrr Stupid libtards" (shakes fist) and "Grr Orange man bad!" (Shakes fist back) aren't the topic. Since I don't see any active threads on this board entitled "A place for the dozen or so outrage addicts to go to use any excuse to shake your first at the other side to end and with no purpose" I'll stick my understanding of what is and isn't on topic, thanks a bunch. |
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You are asking me to cut and paste news articles from several dozen publications vilifying the school kids, ignoring the hate-mongering preachers and praising the trouble-making Native American?
Or are you artificially restricting the response to posts in this thread. In which case, you'll find I've answered this very question not so long ago. |
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