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2nd February 2019, 08:22 AM | #121 |
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I don't believe that people should be chucked onto the trash heap for "youthful indiscretion", as long as it's crystal clear they own their past "sin", grew past it, and made that growth clear.
I believe in (non religious) redemption. Even for Byrd. His conversion from racism impressed me as sincere. I don't know if Notham has owned, grown, and made clear. I never heard of him until yesterday. Since Kavanaugh is coming up, I got no sense at all that he owned his ugly past. |
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Not all Republicans are racist. But many of the policies that their party advocates are. Such as the suppression of people of color voting. Such as Donald Trump and his real estate practices, birtherism and his immigration positions.
It is really surprising that this man was elected as a Democrat with that picture in a yearbook. But again,this is the South. I'm curious about his "body of work" since the picture was taken. Has there been the hint of racism since? |
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I didn't know he was a republican CNN always gets it ....right
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so much for owning it:
NEWS: Northam is calling Va Dems and telling them that’s *not* him in the yearbook photo and he will make a statement this afternoon to say the same. In other words, he is NOT quitting as of right now. |
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Where was the governor when Smollett was attacked?
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I'm not compelled to forgive one person's misdeeds because they say (after they've been caught) that they are very, sincerely sorry and have lots of black friends and just loved In Living Color. I'm certainly not compelled to forgive one person's misdeeds because another different person is not sorry for his own misdeeds.
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2nd February 2019, 09:35 AM | #132 |
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I think if you really want to go over the Kavanaugh stuff again, then it should probably happen in the Kavanaugh thread. I think I've given evidence that my position is not a hypocritical one, and that I'm not applying different standards or requiring different levels of evidence depending on where on the political spectrum people fall. I'm not convinced you can say the same.
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My take on this is that had it come out before the election and he was still elected, it would have been better. The people would have had their chance to decide on it.
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According to CNN, Northam now says it isn't him and he has no recollection of taking the photo. Because, of course.
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Let's dig into it.
Now that I've heard from enough black Virginians, I'll happily say that Northram should step down. He was elected post-Charlottesville, in the face of an openly racist opponent, and in part due to record black turnout. This photo just suddenly appearing is a slap in the face. Republicans face a vastly worse problem than a photo in blackface. They're the party that stands up for violent police, and call nonviolent black protesters "rioters and looters", and decries BLM as "racist" even as they stand up for white victims of police violence, or as "terrorists" even though they're nonviolent. Their party is the one that gutted the Voting Rights Act. Their party is the one that guts enforcement of equal rights in housing, banking, education, and hiring. Your senators (sans Tim Scott) puts openly racist judges on the bench. For that Matter, they're the ones who installed Dolt 45 and his band of white supremacists (Gorka, Bannon, Miller, Sessions, among others) at the top of the executive branch. In the states, it's republicans who protect the Confederate statues that serve as monuments to Jim Crow. They're the ones who celebrate the slaver and traitor Robert E. Lee. THey're the ones who fly the Confederate battle flag. They're the ones who purge black voters from voter rolls, and who do everything in their power to stop black people from voting. They also support unequal k-12 education, but that's really both parties, so that's a rare spot of parity. And they're the ones who constantly run open racists like Northram's opponent for office. In short, the GOP has no space to speak on this issue because they defend and cause structural, systemic racism against black people, and do so with smiles on their faces. and I'm supposed to care whether they cover their faces in shoe polish first? All they are in this discussion is a distraction. ("Go to word", my entire ass...) |
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Well, a day or so would be a good start. Several posters here have expressed concern for your emotional well-being and how you appear to have an unhealthy relationship with online comments. What would it take for you to believe that these concerns are sincere, and for you to take them seriously? If you have spent any time at all "reporting death threats" on Twitter, please realize that the Governor, nation, Twitter and all concerned will go on just fine without your participation.
That is the least believable excuse ever. "I'm in this photo, but I'm not sure which one is me." I'd like for him not to resign, just to put a stake in the ground against 30-year-old witch hunts. Even real witches should get to keep their jobs 30 years later. Let's see Virginians pursue a legal, constitutional remedy to recall the governor if he's no longer wanted. |
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Maybe he went with a friend to a Halloween party as a Klanster and a Black person portrayed as good friends? Like there was supposed to be a positive message about racial harmony in the New South?
If I were him, that’s the story I’d go with. Ok, that’s still a bit too edgy but if you can sell a positive intent, maybe it would mitigate the whole thing. I do have to wonder though...if there had been no picture but instead a black classmate who shared a story about the costume, would anyone be asking him to step down on that basis only? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I hear he is having second thoughts about resigning, he does not want a black man to take over as governor. Guess he didn't leave that racism behind in Medical school!
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The governor is holding a press conference now claiming that he never bought the yearbook, never saw the page until it was shown to him this week, that he never submitted that picture, that he doesn't appear in it, and that others have reported pictures had been placed on their pages erroneously in the same yearbook. I'd like to hear from the people who actually edited and produced the yearbook.
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Regarding Confederate statues, you can't revise history to better suit your current views. It already happened so learn from it.
Regarding voters and voting, I'd suggest you focus on the areas where registered voters outnumber those eligible to vote to determine where voter fraud is most likely happening. And yes, the term "Racist" is thrown around by those on the left daily. Name one day in the past 2 years the word "Racist" has not been used on CNN. You won't be able to. An accusation which is not supported by evidence likely didn't happen. Perhaps people should require some evidence before they label someone "Racist". Something like a photo. Chris B. |
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These statues were not erected in 1868 by tearful survivors as memorials to the Civil War dead. They were mostly put up during the massive 20th century resistance to desegregation and the civil rights movement. They had a specific political intent, like a swastika, and that's why they are offensive and should be demolished. The glorification of the Confederacy is pure fraud. And where would those be? No one has ever proven any significant voter fraud. And just moving without updating your address is not fraud. The term "racist" is thrown around a lot because racism is endemic to our society. When cops shoot unarmed black kids out of fear that they are "probably" dangerous, or when they arrest black people when they might have given a warning to whites, or when voter suppression efforts explicitly target black voters and black neighborhoods, when proud white nationalists march in Charlottesville, and when a President gets elected by claiming that migrants are rapists and murderers and voters swallow it whole, there's plenty of racism to go around. |
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If this had been Northam's first response, I would be willing to accept it tentatively, pending an investigation into the yearbook. It's plausible that a photo could be erroneously placed (accidentally or otherwise), and if it's true that other examples of erroneous photos have been found in the yearbook, that becomes even more plausible - although I would have to see the examples of these other erroneous photos.
But unfortunately we have this gigantic, brilliant-glowing-neon problem, that yesterday Northam confirmed the photo was genuine, acknowledged it was racist, and apologized for it. From his official statement:
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Northam claims there's a difference between the actions pictured in the yearbook photo and dressing up in blackface for a Michael Jackson dance contest. "They're both wrong, but I would hope people would see the contrast."It's breathtaking watching a man take a shotgun to both his legs in public. |
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I don't buy that either.
If somebody ever produces my yearbook page from any school I attended and it contains a photo of two people wearing blackface and a Klan robe, I would not hesitate even a moment to assert with complete confidence that the photo must be erroneously placed and could not possibly depict me, because I have never ever worn blackface or a Klan robe, so such a photo of me could not be physically possible - no question, end of story. There's really no room for waffling about this, unless Northam knows he has appeared in either costume at some point and is simply unsure whether this particular photograph is a depiction of himself at such a time. |
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