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4th February 2019, 08:42 AM | #281 |
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For me, it is less about what he did in the past, as it is about how he handled the revelation of his past activities.
I mean, he admitted it was himself in the photo and apologized twice. Then he retracted that apology and denied it was him in the photo after all - but implied it was an easy mistake to make, given that he had actually appeared in blackface during medical school. I am bothered by the fact that this all happened when he was well into adulthood - this was not exactly a high school yearbook. And then his attempt to handle it appears to have been very slapdash - did he not see the photo before he admitted to it and apologized twice? This suggests to me that he just didn't see all that much wrong with it, or that he assumed it was him because.... Why, when accused of appearing in black face or a Klan suit, would a person just assume "Yep, that sounds like what I would have done!" unless that person had a real history of actually doing that? It is his inconsistent and apparently rushed and ill-thought out responses that get to me the most. He needs to be rebuilding trust, and he isn't.He's acting like just another politician. |
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And it still was 35 ******* YEARS ago! And yes it sucks. But I do think that counts in the Governor's favor. It seems as if it was part of the social environment he was living in.
I never heard more than this guy's name 2 weeks ago. I don't know about 'his body of work' So it's unfair for me to judge him on that. I certainly don't like the way he has responded to this. IMV, IF Virginia Democrats want him to resign he should. But let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces. |
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A school is partially composed of its student body and much care is usually taken to ensure that student body reflects well on the institution.
There are multiple blackface and otherwise gross pictures in the yearbook for that year. This does not reflect well on that institution. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/03/polit...ook/index.html |
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Of course AC360 ran his press conference with the chyron (R-VA) next to his name.
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Probably wouldn't have won had he been honest about his youthful indiscretions. The time to roll out the "I've learned the error of my ways" is before smoking gun evidence is made public, not after.
The context of the day is that voters seem to really care about personal character in their politicians (well, at least democrats). The republicans and Trump have shown the danger that those with poor character can do. Whether it's fair or not is besides the question, liberal voters are trending towards low tolerance for racists, joking or sincere. It's their prerogative to assess worthiness for office however they see fit, and this guy doesn't make the grade. No one has the right to be governor. This guy shouldn't have run and he shouldn't have hid his shameful past. I doubt he would have cleared the primary with what we know now. We have to deal with this after the fact because he managed to keep it hidden until after the election. He has done his voters a grave disservice. |
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Possibly relevant to this thread:
The Lt. Governor who would take over if Northam has just been accused of sexual assault. The accusations first appeared on the same site that broke hte yearbook photo. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vir...olitical-storm
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Bull. I don't I agree with any of that. Do you really think he even thought about this picture taken 35 years ago and should have announced to the world it's existence? Get serious. And do you really believe that you have the same character at 60 that you had when you were 25?
If this picture was taken 5, 10, 15 maybe even 20 years ago your argument might have merit. But not 35 years post. |
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The incorrect party label appears for less than 15 seconds over the apology video Northam posted to Twitter. Host Anderson Cooper had previously correctly identified Northam as a Democrat while introducing the clip of Northam's apology, which had been posted to Twitter on Friday night.
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This isn't just any youthful indiscretion. The country is having a bit of a come-to-jesus moment around the issues of multi-generational institutional racism, including racism in the most elite, prestigious institutions. Democrats are trying to position themselves as the party opposed to this racism.
A young, privileged white guy engaging in racist jokes with a bunch of other elite white guys is a pretty significant undercutting of that position. He's the wrong man for the current moment. No, but it's in the interests of the political parties to conduct this kind of research on potential candidates early, when there's a chance that someone else can move forward as the nominee. The adversarial system of the primaries and the later general election provides incentive for this to be done. |
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Fair enough. I personally am a bit unsure what the best recourse is in these situations. I personally found the drumming-out of Franken to be an overreaction, but would support resignation in this case. I don't know how one should parse these kinds of things, but it needs to be done somehow.
I think the nation is in a crisis of character right now. It is certainly possible that the left is overreacting to the open amorality of the right wing, but what are you going to do? With people like King and Trump on the right, it's no surprise that the D's are very sensitive to failures of character in their own camp. Hopefully it is more productive than self sabotaging and brings good candidates to the front of the pack. |
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I don't have a fully formed opinion on the Governor.
But I do think this particular incident in of itself is being blown way out of proportion. And some level of proportionality is always important. The idea of a need for people to have perfect is absurd. I also think it makes liberals look stupid. There has to be a happy medium between not caring at all if the person is on your side and axe them if they made a tmistake. Yesterday I read about some academic saying that Mary Poppins was racist because of the scene with the chimney soot cover faces. |
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In an era where masks of famous people was still a commonly available costume component, is it really so shocking that he would dress up as a person famous in his era and have to darken his skin to match the person he was impersonating? He only needed wait though, Jackson by the time I started seeing pictures of him looked more like a white woman. People still dress up as famous people. Drag men dress up as women. People dress up as monsters, people dress up in 'sexy' uniforms. Given the time frame, if he was racist, he'd have followed the other bigots in the Southern Strategy to end up Republican and the same people bitching now would have protected him whole-heartedly.
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It was certainly my first instinct that he was an (R). I've seen enough errors on CNN's chyrons (grammatical and otherwise), to believe it was just another intern that messed up. The errors are usually corrected within several seconds.
My favorite one was the omission of one letter from "country". |
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Um...no, I can assure you that many people would have had a very negative reaction to blackface in 1984, particularly in the context of a full-on minstrel outfit next to a klansman. And given the health care disparities that persist to this day, well, this photo would be (and is now) seen as evidence of conscious and willful racism among at least some doctors leading them to harm black patients.
ETA: keep in mind this is a mere 12 years after the Tuskeegee Experiment came to light, suspicion of medical workers was running high among black people. The key difference is that there would be far more white people outraged at the suggestion that the people in the photo might be racist. Nowadays, democrats tend to take that sort of feedback somewhat better, and to think about it instead of just howling with outrage at the idea that the photo suggests racism. As for republicans, they seem to be completely unable to abide by the suggestion that a guy that ran Jesse Helms' appallingly bigoted campaigns might, himself, be a racist. This is why so many of them are writing editorials when black GOP senator Tim Scott says "Hey, guys, did you ever think that this is why black people would rather catch the clap than vote for us?". |
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Anyone mad at the school for publishing the photos?
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You sure about that? I mean really sure?
I betcha you could ferret out what was fallacious about the post to which I was replying to. here is another hint: attacking the messenger. I'd love to see someone who claims to know something about fallacies to take a deep dive into that post. Regale me with your expertise. |
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Megyn Kelly fired within 48 hours of saying this:
“What is racist? You do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface for Halloween or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Like back when I was a kid it was okay if you were dressing up as a character.” Jimmy Kimmel, Sarah Silvermen and Jimmy Fallon still doing just fine, after ACTUALLY donning blackface as recently as 2007 and 2017 This double standard is confusing. So the governor of Virginia is going to stay on board? How do the outrage experts justify this? |
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