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Given that he apparently identifies as a democrat it would be strange.
In general though, Cuban Americans are a majority republican, and like the rest of republicans tend to support core GOP positions and rhetoric. I actually heard an NPR story on just that subject the other day. There are plenty of Cuban Americans who are very pro Trump, including embracing his anti-immigrant rhetoric. My money is actually on #3 or #4. I suppose if witnesses get involved, we may get some more information |
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I’m wondering what legal charge would apply to her demand for Sparkes to be arrested?
Here is a more detailed article about who Eric Sparkes is: https://www.google.com/amp/s/heavy.c...c-sparkes/amp/ |
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It was a joke, but never mind. He seems to be a bit more level-headed than she does, but the whole thing appears to have been a very trivial argument that ended up in the news because she's a politician and not because she's black:
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She was nine months pregnant! You don't suppose she was used to being given a pass in lines?
No, I'm not saying it excuses mouthing off, just the original offense of too many items in the express line. |
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He seems a little more level headed in that on-camera moment, but remember, he went out of his way to call a 9-month pregnant woman a bitch for having a few items over the limit in a 10 items or less lane.
That might be sorta-kinda reasonable if he was stuck behind her, or if he was sticking up for other people behind her, but by his account, there were multiple open lanes, so she wouldn't have been actually inconveniencing anyone. He apparently had finished his shopping, tried to get the supermarket to take some action against her, then decided he needed to confront her himself. Over a technical supermarket rule violation by a very pregnant woman that it seems had no effect on anyone. I don't see that as terribly level headed. |
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Does anyone know how many items she actually had? I'm trying to determine my level of poutrage for this and I can't solidify a number if I don't know how badly she was breaking the rule.
Between 12-15 items instead of 10: Minimum butthurt, salve recommended but not required. Between 16-20 items: Moderate butthurt, salve required, but no rehab time. Between 21-25 items: Maximum butthurt, beyond any form of salve, may need to speak with my therapist. |
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No, that's what YOU are focusing on. I'm focusing on how stupid the entire ******* event is from top to bottom.
As has been pointed out, who cares if she had more than 10 items? There were multiple lanes open. Go to a different one. Quit being a ******* baby. On a different note, who cares if she got yelled at or called a name? Sticks and stones, move on and shrug it off. Finally, why hold a press conference and why show up at someone else's press conference? This whole thing is just stupid and I'm boggled it's even newsworthy. The headline should say, "Two morons waste each others time. Who cares?" |
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I don't see that as level-headed either, but I see him as level-headed because he admits it and is obviously embarrassed about it. The rule doesn't exempt pregnant women, the disabled or politicians, and I don't think that it should. An anecdote: Twenty years ago, one Sunday morning, I was standing in line at the baker's behind a very famous Danish politician, a former minister, who also went on to become the Lord Mayor of Copenhagen. At one point, one of the sellers attended to another customer even though it was the politican's turn to be served. It was a mistake, and it was probably due to the minister being very short. I think the girl behind the counter simply overlooked her. (It was the first time I saw the politician in person, and I was surprised to see how short she was.) However, the former minister was obviously shocked - not because something like this could happen, but because somethings like this could happen to her! I suppose I was not the only one who remembered the scandals she had been involved in over the years. One of them was when she was a minister and had a ferry (+ all the passengers, of course!) wait for her because she was running late! Many politicians are inconsiderate ********, and I don't think that it changes much just because they happen to be black and/or pregnant. |
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I would have been more upset at being called a bitch, honestly. I'm not sure why this woman felt the need to add more to the insult (if indeed that's what happened). "Bitch" is a terrible enough word on its own.
"But men can be bitches too!" Okay, well, if you say so - any man who wanted to flip out at being called that isn't going to get any argument from me. "But women call each other bitches affectionately!" Ah, the n-word defense. Can't speak for what anyone else does, but I sure don't call my friends bitches. Also, even if I did, strangers have a different threshold. Strangers calling me "sweetie" aren't going to get a very positive response either. Let's see, what else. "But bitch can be a neutral verb! Like someone is bitching about something." Okay, well, that's irrelevant because you weren't calling the woman a neutral verb. "But bitch is a female dog!" Ah, that makes it a lot better! |
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Yes. Still, you shouldn't let a politician get away with any of those things! They get away with much too much as it is. ETA: And they both ought to know about the Cuban way. |
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I feel like I talk about where I'm from a lot, but honestly, in NoDak this is just standard behavior. I can't say how many times I've seen someone in line with more items than is allowed, because I've never taken the time to notice. She's 9 months pregnant LoL. It was probably the closest line to wherever she was at. It's certainly not enough to call someone a bitch over. I'm not even sure if he knew she was a politician before hand or that came out after.
This seems insanely petty on every single front LoL. I had to |
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I'm pretty sure going through the express lane with too many items isn't actually illegal. Against store rules? Yes.
Rude and inconsiderate of other customers? Yes again. Illegal? I think not. I'm also a bit curious to know whether we're talking about one or two extra items, or a cart stacked two feet high. Obviously, making false accusations of racism is far worse than whatever violation of store rules initially led to the confrontation. |
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We should really hear from a lawyer specializing in supermarket checkout law before jumping to any conclusions about how many items she had.
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Guys, guys; she was pregnant of course she was entitled. She should be allowed to jump the queue, she probably has pregnancy brain with no emotional stability and little memory. Pregnant woman goes to shortest queue and shouts at someone when they tried to send her back to a longer queue. Of course she did. You lot try shopping with a baby on board!
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Oh I see now - he looks and sounds white! Good for him confronting her on camera. She pulled the race card right there during the interview - "...because I'm black". Jussie must be proud. Two Dems accusing each other of racism!
Dems eating each other ain't gonna help them in 2020. It isn't looking good at all. The fake and/or misplaced outrage is getting old across the board. They are now on the road to resentment and damaging the causes they pretend to champion. You'd think after realizing that running Hillary against Trump was a dumb idea that the party could come together and straighten their act up. Not even close. Note: with all the enormous people in this country it can be difficult to tell if a woman is pregnant or not. Not that it matters in this case one bit. Her shirt alluded to the fact, but in order to read it you'd have to look at her chest which can also get the #MeToo crowd after you She blew it, but while Dem, not while black. |
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In Japanese trains, the priority seats are reserved for elderly and handicapped people as well as pregnant women, so I think it's polite to not harass a pregnant woman at the checkout line.
I think that Reason gives a pretty evenhanded take on this: https://reason.com/2019/07/22/erica-...sm-hoax-media/
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He wasn't being personally inconvenienced, as there were other checkout lanes he could have used. He was just incensed that a pregnant woman was breaking the rules. Rules which it turns out the store itself doesn't think are important enough to enforce as a matter of policy. He first reported it to store employees and when they told him that actually we don't enforce that rule but you can confront her if you want, he took it upon himself to give her a piece of his mind and berate her. I do think that the store should rethink their policy or just get rid of express checkout altogether. Yeah, we won't have our employees enforce this rule, we'll just let random irate customers be the enforcers. What could go wrong? |
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It's not really newsworthy but people all over the world seem to have strong feelings about it. This thread alone shows that. I'm sure there's much discussion on other social media platforms as well. It's a chance for all of us to get on our high horses about something.
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2 Democrats engage in Racist duel.......everyone lost
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Update: No "criminal" charges will be filed. Both can choose civil litigation. The drama continues...
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Have you read most of the threads here, especially in SI/CE and USAPol? There's a fairly substantial population of posters outside the US who get very involved in discussions of social/political issues, no matter how localized the issue (i.e. goes way beyond 'what crap is Trump tweeting now?').
Not saying that's good or bad, just that, counter to your claim above, a whole lot of non-USA folks seem to be pretty passionate about who just j-walked across Ventura BLVD and the like. |
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The woman refuses to be held to account for her actions, however mundane they may seem. This refusal and subsequent concoction of lies to create a victim status can only point to the fact that she is unsuitable for public office.
Sparkes seems to be an officious wee ***** who wasn't harmed by her initial actions only aggrieved at her temerity. I wonder if he regrets his move? |
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For me, it's fascinating to watch it and, in no small way, an amusing pastime. A great number of the population of all colours, creeds and cultures stateside seem to have lost their **** and fall over themselves to;
1) Stick their oar in without engaging common sense. 2) Manufacture victim status based on race and gender. On the other hand many of "the very good people on both sides" have a legitimate gripe. There's quite the microcosm to be seen on this forum, in itself. Sadly, as always, the UK is in thrall lockstep and will be right along shortly. We're right behind you. |
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She may be lying, but the witness testimony doesn't contradict her account. Her description seems to imply that his "go back where you came from" comment was close to the start of the altercation. The witness is clear that she only heard the altercation later.
And I still object to the notion that her initial action of using the 10 items or less lane is something she needed to account for in any way. Its a practical policy, not a law. It matters only to the extent that it causes inconvenience to others. At the point that there are plenty of empty lanes and no one has to wait, the rule has no meaning or power. |
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Maybe they should change the sign at the checkout lane to clarify that it is a "suggested limit" and not a hard limit, since store policy is to not actually enforce the limit.
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