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13th August 2019, 11:19 AM | #241 |
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That's not exactly true - in that I saw arguments cribbed from multiple white supremacists - both Heather Mac Donald (whose arguments tend towards thinly veiled bigotry) and Steve Sailer (who only other white supremacists would accuse of using any sort of veil) make obvious appearances.
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It seems we need a group outing. Everyone who hasn't been to Baltimore in the last three years, we need to jump on the bird and meet up in Maryland. Maybe leave the MAGA hats at home, but otherwise it should be a good time.
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If genetic differences between populations are real then there could be genetic reasons for why west Africans and east Africans dominate different running events, sprints vs. endurance running. Tibetans might be the same race as the Chinese but they have high altitude adaptions the Chinese don't have.
No, Sailer doesn't believe that race and skin color are necessarily linked. Steve Sailer has defined race as, "A racial group is a partly inbred extended biological family." Black Africans and the Melanesians both have black skin but they aren't the same race. The murder rate doubled between 1964 and 1974. The black illegitimacy went from 25% in 1965 to roughly 75% today. Welfare usage also soared with the Great Society programs. These are facts, not right-wing propaganda. If the current state of the black community was caused by slavery, Jim Crow and discrimination you would expect these stats to come down after the 1960s and the Civil Rights movement, but they did just the opposite. We call this the Legacy of Liberalism. I am referring to policy. The Democratic Left favors policies that allow for the break down in law & order which causes the crime rate to soar. None of the events you mentioned caused the murder rate to go up in Chicago by 57% in one year! I believe the top 10 most violent cities in America all have Democratic mayors. So guilt by non-association. We group by race on lots of things, college admissions, the census, job applications etc... We always hear that "diversity is a strength". We don't group by eye color though. We group dog breeds by the breed, not their hair color. In fact, if we stopped classifying people by race, I'm sure many SJWs would say that is "racist' The 54% number means that black are responsible for ~54% of the homicides in this country. The higher black crime rate tracks closely with the rise in the illegitimacy rate. These two things exploded in the 1960s and were are still reeling from their effects today. Democrats expect nothing out of blacks except to go on welfare and vote for Democrats. Blacks have been crushed by excuses, not racism. |
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So when Democrats voted for Barack Obama as President of the Unites States, they expected him to go on welfare. That checks out.
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You're admitting that genetic differences between populations is not at all the same thing as differences between races, but you still want to insist that race tells you something? You fail to see how that kind of reasoning can't do anything except lead you astray. But then it gets much worse when you assume without any justification that morality is genetic and therefore stereotypical by race.
In short, it appears that you want to group murder and illegitimacy rates by race in order to imply that blacks are inherently immoral and violent, just like you suppose that race tells you something about athletic abilities. Furthermore you assert that blacks have gotten out of control since the '60s because liberals just give them handouts and don't know how to keep them in line. Liberals just make excuses for their bad behavior, and that's what's "crushed" them, not discrimination. Nah, nothing racist about that! Sorry, I don't really feel like wasting time digging through that crap in any detail. |
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tanabear, you seem to have missed my question - how do you square your belief that Trump believes in law & order with the fact that he has committed perjury?
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The highlighted is of course something you manufactured (or cribbed from the likes of Steve Sailer) to fit your narrative.
Meanwhile, I've provided actual, concrete examples of prominent and powerful conservatives (read:"white people") - including President Trump - exhibiting flagrant disrespect for the law and order you claim they desire.
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Richard Nixon channeled racism into anti-Democrat sentiment behind a veneer of "states rights," but it was Lee Atwater who mastered channeling racism into anti-liberalism by reframing racial issues as economic issues: Liberals want to take your tax money and give it to welfare queens.
As we can see from the responses by tanabear, Baylor, and mgidm86, racial stereotyping is so baked into their beliefs that they can't even see it, much less question it. "54% of murders are committed by blacks" has such an obvious meaning to them, they don't think it's even necessary to say what that meaning is. |
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As we can see from the responses by wayren and Safe-Keeper, racial stereotyping is so baked into their beliefs that they can't even see it, much less question it. "Also the majority of murders in the US are committed by white people," "Why are whites so overrepresented with re. to school shootings and spree killings?" has such an obvious meaning to them, they don't think it's even necessary to say what that meaning is.
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I know of a white guy I'd assign to some role or other in my cabinet. Also, he's jewish, so we've got that covered.
Honestly, Dolt 45 does not care about the hood in West B'more, and neither do anyone yammering about it in this thread. It's a nice, self-deluding talking point for them, and nothing more than that. They sound like Tucker Carlson blathering about how white supremacism isn't a problem, after spending years espousing white supremacism. They offer no help, everyone knows it, end of show. (can you just imagine Obama walking up to a podium to announce anything, surrounded by black men in business gear?) |
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Rate political parties based on the U.S. murder rate? It's nonsensical -- like bad bar room chat -- but consider this, from an article published in 1991 the year before Bill Clinton was elected:
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Democratic politicians expect black voters to go on welfare and vote for Democratic politicians. To expect anything more would be racist.
There are genetic differences between ethnic groups and races. Race does tell you something. If you can tell someone's race by looking at their genome it has a biological reality. I was talking about running events. I didn't say anything about morality. Everyone groups by race. I pulled my data from government reports. They are the ones grouping by race. I am just reporting the data. This reality is well documented. In fact, it is pointed out most frequently by black conservatives; Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Candace Owens. Walter Williams, Burgess Owens etc... "The employment rate of black men in the United States fell precipitously from 89.6 percent in 1960 to 76.1 percent in 2000… The decline in labor market participation among black men was accompanied by a rapid increase in the number of black men in correctional institutions. As recently as 1980, only 0.8 percent of black men … were incarcerated. By 2000, 9.6 percent of black men …were incarcerated." Immigration and African-American Employment Opportunities So the employment rate for black men declined after the Civil Rights movement and the incarceration rate increased markedly. The triumph of Liberalism explains these trends, not "racism". I said that law and order are a big issue for Republican voters. The murder rate doubled in 10 years between 1964 and 1974. The murder rate went up between 20-25 percent between 2014 and 2016. Many Trump voters voted on this issue. Bill Clinton might have committed "perjury" but he was quite tough on crime and the crime rate collapsed in the 90s. "The Democratic Left favors policies that allow for the break down in law & order which causes the crime rate to soar." No, I did not manufacture this. What happened in Chicago in 2016? In 2016, officers made 85,493 arrest, a 24 percent decline from 2015's 112,996 and far below the 152,740 made in 2011...The biggest came between 2015 and 2016 in the aftermath of the Laquan McDonald shooting... I can find many Democratic politicians who broke the law as well. I can find many Democratic voters who broke the law. This is not what I am referring to. I am talking about policies that cause the crimes rates to soar. Okay, but there are no big bad wolf Republicans elected to any high office in the city of Baltimore. As the saying goes, "If you break it, you own it." The Democrats broke Baltimore so they own it, not the Republicans. |
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Actually what you said was that what is termed "white supremacy" is "really just whites who believe in law and order". I specifically asked you if you included Trump amongst the people who believe in law & order, and you replied that "most people believe in law and order except maybe for a few Democratic mayors of certain cities".
I took that as an affirmative, but if by it you meant that you don't think Trump believes in law & order, please say so, clearly and unequivocally. It's a yes/no question that can be answered with one word - "do you think Trump believes in law & order?" And if the answer is "yes", then can you please explain how you square that belief with the fact that Trump has committed perjury? |
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The only thing missing from your crackerjack analysis is pointing out the specific Democratic policies that allegedly lead to a break down in law and order and, of course, evidence of causation.
Meanwhile, you and these other “white people” who desire law and order so much offer continued support to a president who openly celebrates criminal violence. |
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Republican voters, demonstrating what a big issue law and order is for them.
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Arrests fell after the Laquan McDonald shooting? Why, because an officer was convicted of second degree murder in the shooting? What does that have to do with 'liberal policy?' Making it illegal for police officers to murder people is 'liberal policy?' (The officers claimed at first that Chicago Police Officer Jason Van Dyke was forced to shoot McDonald only after McDonald lunged at officers with a knife. Police video showed a different scenario.) [see below]
Murders in Chicago have now declined for two years in a row. Below is a quote from an Associate Press news story.
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The high murder rate in the early 80s can be attributed the powder cocaine wars and the murder peak in the early 90s to the crack cocaine wars. By the early 90s the people were sick to death of all the crimes, murder and mayhem going in in our cities and the "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality predominated. Our prison population soared in the 90s and the crime rate crashed.
The murder rate is fat-tailed, in that a very small number of places account for the vast majority of the homicides. I believe 1% of counties account for 37% of all murders and 2% of counties account for slightly over half of all murders. In fact, you can probably break it down even finer to the street level. If you look at these cities where the murder rate is high you will almost invariably find Democratic rule. The decline in blue-collar jobs does not mean a decline in the total number of jobs available. Manufacturing jobs have been declining relative to service sector jobs since at least the end of World War II, really before. However, these trends in crime and joblessness really took off in the 1960s. The decline in the labor force participation rate of black men has been downward since the 1960s reaching an all-time low under Obama at around 65%. There is a big factor at work here that the Left doesn't like to talk about it because it is "racist", even though it would be beneficial to blacks. It was the decline of 'stop and frisk' and arrests in Chicago that is largely responsible for the 57% increase in the murder rate in one year. This was a policy promoted by the ACLU(the anti-Christian Liberal Union). "This article provides empirical evidence that the reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department beginning around December 2015 was responsible for the homicide spike that started immediately thereafter. The sharp decline in the number of stop and frisks is a strong candidate for the causal factor, particularly since the timing of the homicide spike so perfectly coincides with the spike. Regression analysis of the homicide spike and related shooting crimes identifies the stop and frisk variable as the likely cause. The results are highly statistically significant and robust over a large number of alternative specifications." Yes, the murder rate is down because Trump doesn't give lip service to Black Lives Matter like Obama and company did. But the rate is still higher than it was in 2015. |
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You cited a deeply flawed study that established correlation not causation.
Try again. Meanwhile, here’s a bunch of people that you claim respect law and order celebrating when President Trump condones violent assault. |
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The harsher laws for crack were introduced in 1986, not in the 1990s. The introduction of these laws under the Reagan administration has been cited by some as being a cause of the increased crime amongst crack users, as it demonised the users and made them unemployable, forcing them to turn to other ways of making money. The increase in the murder rate followed the introduction of the laws, and the negative press coverage of what was then termed an "epidemic".
So you've actually got it backwards - the harsher punishments came before the increase in crime. Rather than being a response to the increase in crime, they were a driver of it. You're also wrong about the prison population. In 1980 the number of people in state and federal prison was around 300,000. In 1990 it was around 800,000. In 2000 it was around 1,300,000. The increase in the number of prisoners did not increase in the 90s. |
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The spike in murders in the 1960s was caused by 'liberal policies;' the spike in murders in the 1980s was caused by drugs; the spike in murders in the 2010s was caused by the ACLU? (The anti-Christian Liberal Union? Sounds like someone is going full-blown anti-Semitic!)
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Apparently, so am I (well, at least in the minds of some racists).
And mine. Maybe we should make a call to have all the white people in the USA go back to "Childless" Europe where their forebears came from..... SEND THEM BACK!!! SEND THEM BACK!!! |
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Bigot Predictioneering is a variation on the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
They've been predicting the downfall of civilization since: > Banning of Slave Importation > The Civil War > The Emancipation Proclamation > The Enfranchisement of Women > Federal Relief and Poverty Assistance in The Depression > Truman's Desegregation of the Armed Forces > Brown vs Board of Ed and the Desegregation of the Public Schools > The Equal Rights Amendment > Enforcement of Miranda > Busing > Free Breakfasts for Needy School Kids > That Darkie in the White House Pick a negative development in US Civics and you can peel away one or the other and claim "See? Statistics Don't Lie! The Wall Street Crash Was Caused by Giving Women the Vote!" Correlation does not equal causation, and promise as they might, not one of "them" married my sister! Add into that any piece of progressive legislation or whatever huffs up Tucker's blouse this week. |
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The Washington Post is a completely fake news outlet. People that read and believe the Washington Post have what is called a negative understanding of the world. This is an opinion piece by Radley Balko and it says Opinion at the top of the article. The article consists of hand-waving and trying to get people not to look at the most obvious reason the murder rate increased 57% in one year. In fact, he doesn't really have an explanation either. It just comes down to lets not blame liberals and Black Lives Matter. However, if you pull back on proactive policing/racial profiling the murder will increase in high crime areas. This is exactly what happened in Chicago.
Did any of these events cause the murder rate to spike in Baltimore, Chicago or St. Louis? No. I didn't say that harsher laws were introduced in the 90s. I said our prison population soared in the 1990s. "The 1990s will end up being the most punishing decade on record in American History. By year end 1999, far more prisoners will have been added to America’s prisons and jails than in any decade in recorded history. The 532,448 prisoners added to America’s institutions during the 1990s is 25% higher than the number of prisoners added during the 1980s, and is nearly 16 times as many as the average number added during the five decades before 1970 in which the incarcerated population increased." This was a response to the huge growth in the crime rate that broke out in the 1960s which was largely a legacy of Liberalism. It was all caused by liberals. The rise in the drug culture, gangs, crimes and other forms of social dysfunction all have at their root the same cause, freedom from responsibility. Liberalism itself is a worldwide phenomenon. One of the driving factors is welfare. The illegitimacy for blacks was roughly 25% in 1965 today it around 75%. Yes, and single mothers no longer have the same stigma as they once did and this has been a disaster for the lower class in this country. It is another product of the Leftist concept of freedom from responsibility. |
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Defining "race" by invoking "racial groups" seems circular to me. His statement could just as well refer to humanity as a whole.
And part of being a breed is color conformation. Such circular statements don't help me follow the logic. How many races do you think there are, and what are they? |
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Part of my recent meanderings through Caribbean and South and Central American colonial revolutions recently has run right through some of this issue. Earlier models categorizing those of mixed ethnic backgrounds were stunningly superficial, just a handful of color gradients, really. Later models tracked by documented lineage down to the 1/64th.
Basing on color is nonsense. Even like "dog breeds" (which is just an awful metaphor given the history) because the human equivalent is various other phenotype-derived characteristics. Some variables of the environment unique to where that group comes from make certain features more suitable. The reason color alone got thrown out pretty quick is the same reason that explodes the whole idea of "races" and how "mixing" works at all. Take some folks of Caucasian descent and some of African descent and they make babies of all kinds, with quite a randomization of what expresses where. Because those of status could marry "down" and have legitimate children, they quickly balked at the prospect of their offspring being designated in a class that would not be able to maintain their holdings once they passed on. Conformity of appearances into what we now call ethnic groups rather than races is a feature of being a) conditioned to a particular type of terrain, climate, and sustenance, and b) stratified layers of social isolation, increasing over "distance." Physical distance perhaps matters less than in the past, but with physical proximity comes the unfortunate unfamiliarity with perspectives, values, and social cues that can be read as subversiveness and fuel mistrust and suspicion. |
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It's an interesting excuse for ignoring the fact that you are completely wrong.
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