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9th September 2019, 03:02 AM | #321 |
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9th September 2019, 03:42 AM | #322 |
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Urban crime rates and black-on-black homicides have very little to do with a revolution. You are stretching here.
You are also ignoring what Tanabear is claiming, namely that crime rates go down and clearance rates increase under Democratic leadership. This factual claim is the basis of his argument, such as it is. His evidence is a small handful of cities. Better to find out if it's true or not. I don't know how to find historical crime rates easily, much less clearance rates. My suspicion is that crime rates in Oklahoma City, say, have increased over the last several decades and those of Boston have decreased, but I can't say with any certainty. Finding a database to select a larger number of cities under consistent Democratic/Republican administration and looking for a trend is more difficult yet. There is the additional issue that struggling cities may tend to crime problems as well as voting Democrat, so that we're looking at correlation and not causation of course. |
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I'll freely admit I have a lot of ignorance on this topic, but I did want to say this at least seems reasonable to me: Disenfranchised black youths that don't see strong opportunities for education or employment often turn to gangs (and violence). Or at least that's my impression. That's absolutely connected with discrimination, just like smartcooky said. |
9th September 2019, 08:24 AM | #324 |
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I'd buy that disenfranchisement is tied to crime. Desperation and crime go hand-in-hand.
But comparing urban crime to the Indian Wars and the American Revolution was a stretch, in my opinion. It also didn't address the central claim Tanabear advanced, namely that Democrat-run cities go straight to hell. |
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9th September 2019, 01:05 PM | #326 |
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The comment merely addressed Baylor's preposterous question.
I'm sure you meant the other way around, Republican not Democrat Never mind The 10 Safest Cities with the lowest crime rates in the USA with their Mayor's name and his politics 1. Virginia Beach VA - Bobby Dyer (R) 2. Honolulu HI - Kirk Caldwell (D) 3. Lexington KY - Linda Gorton (R) 4. Anaheim CA - Harry Sidhu (R) 5. San Diego CA - Kevin Faulconer (R) 6. El Paso TX - Dee Margo (R) 7. San José CA - Sam Liccardo (D) 8. Austin TX - Steve Adler (D) 9. Mesa AZ - John Giles (R) 10. Tampa FL - Jane Castor (D) The facts don't bear out tanabear's claim. Four of the ten safest cities in the USA have a Democrat mayor - Honolulu, San José, Austin and Tampa. How come they haven't "gone straight to hell"? The reality is that there is no correlation between the politics of a city mayor and that city's crime rate. The more cities you add to list like this, the more the politics of their mayors evens out. |
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No he is not, I am hearing this 'Let's limit the franchise to those who can use it intelligently" crap quite a bit on the internet.
The problem, is ,of course, who decides who is intelligent and who is not? You know that for many people it would amount to 'Let's limit the franchise to people who agree with me". It's a lot like HG Wells in his later years advocated turning all political and economic power over to a "sceintifiaclly trained" elite who would produce Utopia. Wells, managed to forget about how power corrupts, and and any group in complete power, "scientifically trained" or not, will end up ruling in it's own best interest, screw everybody else. Orwell, who in many ways admired HG Wells as a writer, called him out on this. |
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9th September 2019, 02:34 PM | #331 |
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In addition to all that, I wonder how many of those (R) mayors would qualify as RINOs in their books. Let's see.
5. San Diego CA - Kevin Faulconer (R)
Oh dear.... well, he did fight a rise of the minimum wage |
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On the other fronts,
Bobby Dyer has been mayor for less than a year. Linda Gorton, same thing. Actually beat a police chief to get the job Harry Sidhu - couldn't really find much. Most of what I found (I admit this was not a deep dive) was the not atypical fighting wasteful spending and supporting small biz talk Dee Margo - Actually disputed Trump's claim that his wall reduced crime in El Paso, also " He opined that undocumented workers who are working and paying taxes and do not have criminal records should be offered green cards, and that those who have served in the U.S. military or arrived as children (DACA) should be granted citizenship" John Giles - Probably one of the most conservative mayors on this list. But famous for hot-mike comments calling Trump an idiot. Standard GOP reply was to wish death by cancer for him. |
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Yeah, I had a similar impulse around 16 or 17. Then I came to understand all that would happen is that real science would be (is being? has been?) swept aside and replaced with sham studies or just outright lies.
This will be the case for any system proposed until we get rid of whatever brain disease it is that makes people feel the need to hoard enough wealth to guarantee umpteen generations of their family will never want for anything in life while expressing dismay at how others live in squalor and destitution. |
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When they are the people to hand...
Just because darker folk are oppressed by paler folk doesn't necessarily mean their first response is to band together and bus on over to the other side of town to go a huntin'. When you're miserable you tend to lash out against what's immediate. |
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THIS Its what our forum's resident privileged whites have no concept of. When people in a very low decile, low socio-economic demographic become desperate to be able to live their lives, it becomes a dog-eat-dog situation. You get a lowering of the trigger level at which people in the community are prepared to resort to criminal behaviour in order to survive and feed their families - increased property crime, increased violent crime. If there is any correlation in the politics of city administrators, it is a result of the desperation not a cause of it. It is no fluke that the safest cities are the ones whose occupants are predominantly more affluent, while the more dangerous cities are occupied by the more financially destitute. https://www.safewise.com/blog/safest-metro-cities/ |
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"blacks are forever being mistreated by whites and that is the cause of black criminality" I've only heard this thousands of times - mostly by daft white nationalist Europeans like Lurch. Debunked it hundreds of times. These people are content to live in their own fantasy land. Let them. I'm just happy there were no holocaust references.
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Indeed it was. He must have one helluva a discount deal with the straw merchants!
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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11th September 2019, 09:18 AM | #346 |
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In point of fact, that's actually what the white supremacist whose work continues to be referenced in this thread literally said.
The difference here being that I used the word "literally" correctly. |
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Lurch unequivocally accused blacks of "lashing out" by committing black and black homicides. This plays to the racist stereotypes that blacks are violent and impulsive. Contrarily Lurch calls white people voting for Trump "lashing out." He has one set of attitudes and expectations for whites, and a completely different set for blacks that are based on old and racist stereotypes.
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I know what you're saying, but...there's a bit more to it than that. There's a need to find some source of income for the family as well, for example (these guys tend to be more cautious about their use of violence, but *will* get involved in crime if there's no opportunity). There's plain old PTSD (many young black men have the same symptoms as people who have been in active war zones - this goes far beyond "well, they need to know we care"). There's also undiagnosed depression, which often manifests as anger in men rather than sadness.
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Reverse the races. In a destitute white community where blacks are few in number, you'll find that white on white crime tends to be more rampant. Just ask cops on the beat in such situations. Would one infer from this that whites are more prone to violence in general?
It's largely situational in the first place, and the victims tend to represent the cross section of the populace. Unless we're discussing targeted, race-based attacks, but that's another matter entirely. |
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It is good to see that you are expanding your reading horizons.
Crime was out of control in New York City when Rudy Giuliani was elected in 1993. Giuliani and Bloomberg brought the number of murders down from over 2,000 to less than 400 a year. This is a remarkable turnaround. Other cities should figure out what they did and learn from it. I believe the clearance for murder in NYC is around 75%. That is better than the national average and certainly better than many big cities. There are no "white supremacists" elected to any high office in any of these cities. There are not even any big bad wolf Republicans elected to any high office. The Left needs a boogeyman and "white supremacists" fit the bill for now. Yes, in the first part of my post I discussed the downward nation-wide trend in the murder clearance rate. It was relatively high in the 1960s then declined over the next few decades. But I also listed the cities where it is egregiously bad. I'm not arguing that crime rates will always increase under Democratic leadership, only a certain kind. I refer to them as the "Democratic Left" to distinguish them from run-of-the-mill Democrats. President Clinton was a Democrat but he was fairly tough on crime and crime rates came down quite considerably while he was President. Most Democratic mayors are not on the hard-boiled Left. If the black crime rate is higher because blacks are more likely to be disenfranchised, oppressed, harassed etc. then these things seem to increase when blacks have more political power and representation. How are blacks disenfranchised and oppressed in cities where they have almost absolute control, places like Detroit or Baltimore? As well, the murder rate really took off in the 1960s. This was the era of civil rights, integration and the breaking down of barriers. Why did the crime rate surge after the civil rights era and not before it? Thomas Sowell wrote, "But the hard fact is that the murder rate in the country as a whole was going down during those very decades when social problems in the slums were supposedly being neglected. Homicide rates among black males went down by 18 percent in the 1940s and by 22 percent in the 1950s. It was in the 1960s, when the ideas of Chief Justice Warren and others triumphed, that this long decline in homicide rates among black males reversed and skyrocketed by 89 percent, wiping out all the progress of the previous 20 years." The higher black crime rate has nothing to do with the legacy of slavery or Jim Crow and everything to do with the legacy of liberalism. |
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I don’t recall claiming that Thomas Sowell is a white supremacist.
But the guy tanabear quoted in the OP certainly is.
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