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13th January 2020, 03:00 PM | #281 |
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I'm sure they do, but this doesn't answer my question.
In fact, your continued insistence that it must be the case that all who disagree with you are white and all are privileged seems to belie your denial from two days ago about it stemming from white guilt. How about we leave all of this out and just focus on the fact that what the teacher did was just wrong? It doesn't need to be racist or genocidal or colonialistic in order to be unacceptable. |
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That hurts, Sid.
No, but seriously: I agree with you on the general argument of this thread. I just don't know why you reflexively call those who disagree on the topic, who may or may not have a rational argument, privileged, or even white. Hell, some might come from countries where this dynamic is entirely different. |
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Again, I will call such examples of insensitivity, handwaving of the problems of racism as white privilege. I have provided explanations but you curiously frame my actions as simply because I disagree with these posters. It’s an interesting lack of nuance.
If you have not already start having a read what the term means: White privilege is a social phenomenon.[15] Although the definition of "white privilege" has been somewhat fluid, it is generally agreed to refer to the implicit or systemic advantages that white people have relative to people who are the objects of racism; it is the absence of suspicion and other negative reactions that people who are objects of racism experience.[16]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege The way I see it, and suggested in the Wikipedia article, is such terms have been pilloried in the American culture wars by the usual rightwing anti intellectuals who dismiss almost any academic social analysis. |
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The only explanation you've provided that I can remember is that the people you label deserve the label. Hopefully you understand why that's not convincing. If you have another explanation that I've missed, feel free to link to it or to provide a post number for me to read.
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I hate seeing this thread title popping up all the time because then I get an earworm from that Seal song "Wishing Well".
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16th January 2020, 06:10 PM | #298 |
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Would anyone be interested in a Federal or State law that would make it illegal to combine an image of a black person with the word "monkey"?
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If you read the accounts of black USA service men coming to the UK during WW2 they were greeted with open arms. Indeed the American officers tried to get the British to segregate and treat the black servicemen badly.
That of course is not to deny racism in the UK, it has at times been terrible but we never had legal segregation and so on. However we do seem to have "unconsciously" as a society adopted a lot of USA attitudes and even grievances. |
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17th January 2020, 03:56 PM | #308 |
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Supporters say newly surfaced photos clear Longwood teacher at center of scandal; lawyer disagrees
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Longwood 'Monkey Do' Photo: New Pics Elicit Strong Reactions
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Snipped from an op-ed piece by a local editor...
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What a ******* load. Neither the tradition of the stupid joke nor others' lack of offense exonerates the teacher.
As for the teacher being fired, that would seem to be up to the school district, not the people bringing the suit. The court can't hand down a verdict that includes termination of the teacher's employment and I strongly doubt that such a request is included in the lawsuit. Some additional sensitivity training should take care of that part of the problem. Is this worth a payment of millions of dollars? No, probably not. It's worth the payment of something, though. People need to stop doing this **** and public schools have a particular responsibility to provide an environment where racism, sexism, etc. are actively, constantly discouraged. |
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I disagree. The history provides evidence to help mitigate any accusation of racisim or deliberate offence. Yes some racists hide behind the "it was a mistake" defence, however If they keep doing it, have a history of racisim or related bigotry, or become violent in their methods, thats the point where that defence does not become viable.
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It is easy to feel outrage in response to some jury decisions with which we disagree. And yes some juries do make errors based on manipulation by the lawyers, or their own prejudices, or... But a friend of mine reminded me that they where there and I wasn’t. They heard facts and evidence I did not. They heard in person the relevant testimony. They were instructed by the judge as to the law and their own options and responsibilities; I was not.
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