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7th May 2020, 11:26 AM | #241 |
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One other thing strikes me that may be rather an aggrieving factor: Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect an ex-cop to know the law with respect to citizens arrest? This one seems irresponsibly ignorant of it.
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There's some interesting speculation going around about that.
The video was posted online anonymously. It's hard to imagine the filmer posting it himself, as it implicates him in a potential murder, and less evidence makes it easier for their version of the story. I read some rumors that some of the men were pretty much bragging about the incident, and perhaps this video was spread as part of that bragging. I couldn't find any real source for that, but you have to wonder how this got out. I suppose it's possible the police had a copy of the video and some cop leaked it to undermine the cover-up. |
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"Radio station" is a weird 3rd party conduit for this video to make it from basically anywhere to "the public" though. It's just not your usual "We have sources" kind of place.
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CNN is reported the first source of the video was a "local radio personality."
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misinformation from a Glynn County detective
"Wanda Cooper, the victim's mother, said Wednesday that when she first learned of her son's death, a Glynn County detective had told her that Arbery had been involved in a burglary and was confronted by a homeowner who shot him.
"Cooper said it wasn't until days later that she learned that Arbery had been gunned down in the middle of the road while jogging." NBC Amazing, and not in a good way. |
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I'm still not over that:
- We saw a black guy running through the neighborhood - So we assumed him to be the burglar who had recently been operating in the neighborhood. - So we armed ourselves - Then we got in our truck to run him down. - He had the nerve to fight back - So we killed him. - All of this took place in broad daylight and was even filmed Are the facts that aren't in dispute and still it's like "Well not let's not be too hasty in arresting them, lets convene a Grand Jury at some point in the future maybe when we get around to it..." Hey here's a radical idea. Someone citizen arrest them. |
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I think if two armed rednecks want a black teenager man there isn't a whole lot the black man can do to change that fact. If he had ran they would have shot him for "trying to flee" if he stands his ground they shoot him for "being a threat" if he had run to a nearby house they would have shot him to "protect the people in the house."
He wasn't killed for a reason, he was killed for an excuse. And the difference between excuses and reasons is you can use any excuse to get the results you want. |
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That's a lot of wiggle in your waggle compared to what I responded to, considering I was pretty specific in what may have made someone choose that "alternate" path. I just see contradictions i your las couple of phrases, but like you... "I hope to hell we never..."
*I've driven away from the two times I've had LEO Glocks pointed at my head (oddly, they both had them rousting me from bed). Stay calm, speak clearly and co-operate. But I'm a middle class white male. I was never really in "fear" for my life. My other "civilian" shooter encounter was... different. It's closing in on 55 years since my pistolsmith dad started teaching me that firearms are many things, but never, ever a toy. I was six. I can't express how torn I am that I love the enjoyment of target shooting (never hunted, good on them who respect that)... and despise the very idea of "would be" 2A activists who want little more than the power of the gun over any they see as an opponent... or worse, an "inferior". This thread, and it's impetuses, will NEVER end, as long as we allow the 2A to control how we view firearm ownership in this country. We're too big, too varied a populace, too diverse (with far too much baggage) to achiece that. Obviously... I'd like to keep my ability to enjoy shooting. Unfortunately, I don't think we ( and I?) are wise or mature enough to allow it. As the meme says, and for another thread... "change my mind". |
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Well that's crazy. Ain't got time to be fumbling with no locks when there's a black guy that needs shooting.
What there's a black person that needs shot and he gets away in the 20 seconds it takes me to dig my keys out of my pocket, unlock my car, get the gun, and then shoot him? Why I don't reckon I could live with myself if that happened. |
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I agree. As I said before, I think Thermal is taking a "Marplots" position against knee-jerk accusations of racism, and I've found in the past that when facts come out that contradict his hypothetical possible stories, he's ready enough to acknowledge them. I do think that in the search for hypotheticals he treads pretty close to the edge of the abyss sometimes, but we err if we drift from declaring the ideas bad into declaring that their author is.
It is, of course, prudent for parents (not just black) to coach their kids on the ways to avoid being victimized, and it's easy to forget that this is a useful strategy to survive in an unjust world, not an obligatory component of justice. |
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With regard to a citizen's arrest, and Bob's hypothetical idea that the victim was in some way obligated to submit:
Georgia law specifies:
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I may have to bail from this crapfest and it's unfortunate because a better convo might have occurred if I had known if you were truely less experienced with how wild our gun laws can be. I've been raised in CA , traveled the lower 48 and lived here in Oregon, but even in Cali, I wouldn't scramble from an open carry situation.
I do however call BS on the Euros who have no problem with airports staffed with select fire MP5s etc. but "hate guns". I've got a side-eye for mil/pol in public, but can just walk up to regular armed police in the US if I have a question. I often forget to look at what sidearm (brand) they're carrying... I've had chats about department policy, purchase reqs, pricing etc. The fact a normal LEO has a firearm is inconcequential in my societal norm. Cultural oddities, eh? *This BT k/b is gona be thee death of me... no autocorrect and the keystroke typos are just too much to keep up with. Asta baby. |
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I had a post regarding the differences of when a "racist" homeowner (ma & pa) see a white male run through their backyard (what a scamp) vs when a POC runs through. Lst to a phone call and the vagaries of Bluetooth.
Screw it... neither side will "get it' until BOTH emphathise with the other side. The centuries of treatment, one to the other, and retaliation back for the same. Institutionalised. How likely is that? It's no longer arguing about race. Or about legislation. Or about gun regs. It's about arguing. This is the actual meaning of arguing with a brick wall. **** it. |
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Oh, I know how our laws are. The context was of a civilian carrying in the street, ready to fire. Here in New Jersey, that means a Piney (South Jersey redneck) got off the leash and things are about to get interesting. Hard for me to picture my reactions to some Yahoo in the street with a shotgun. In NJ, it means somebody is guaranteed to get shot at in short order. I don't have reactions to open long guns on the street, though I'm used to concealed carry in other states.
Cops, security, and military don't bother me to be carrying, of course. Well cops a little, from personal experience. OT for the thread, but I'd rather not have open or concealed carry in the States. For every hundred or so responsible sport shooters, there is a guy like in the OP. I don't like those odds. |
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This whole thing is disgusting. Flat out racist murder. I wonder if the grand jury can punish the PD and prosecutor's office for this as well, because I think they deserve it.
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From Arbery's perspective, I'm going to say the argument is "when chased down and attacked by armed men, you should just give up without a fight." Which is an abysmally dumb argument.
I can pretty much guarantee that if a couple of armed obviously-not-police men in a truck accost me while I'm on foot, I'm going to run like a bunny. If they then cut me off with their truck and come out of the vehicle brandishing a shotgun... I'm going to do everything in my power to try to take that shotgun away from him instead of just meekly waiting to be murdered by a crazy person. |
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Thnx for the context, (it would have hlped to forestall "troll" calls earirlier if you had fleshe out your posts simililarly, (I'm gonna bust up this damned k/b)
re: guns... we're ******, and will be for 50 years at least. My fool father in mid 70s was convinced we woulf be where aus has been for 25 yrs, and "forbade" me to go into smithing. I was a teen and went toward tech, but I might have enjoyed it... ertainy would have prospered as a pistol (specialized) smith or even a general gunny over ther last 3 decades. A fool he wass re: teh US... but he wasn't wrong abooout the "civilized" world. eta: *smacks k/b* and again... again.. |
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