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7th May 2020, 03:37 PM | #281 |
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7th May 2020, 03:38 PM | #282 |
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I'm generally a fan of waiting for facts, because well, frankly I don't trust media spin. In this case, however, we've got the statements made by the assailants.
In their own report they say they saw him jogging past and thought he might be the person who'd been breaking in. They went inside, armed themselves, and took off after him in a truck, while they called the cops. By their own admission, they chased him in a truck, cut him off, and when he ran the other way went after him again. By their own admission, the driver got out of the truck with a shotgun and went toward the victim, who at that point changed tactics and tried to wrestle the shotgun away. Their own version of events doesn't support any speculation about prior confrontations or any rational excuse for their behavior. Their own version of events does not support any reasonable person's view of "self defense" on the part of the shooter(s). |
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7th May 2020, 03:42 PM | #284 |
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Exactly.
There is all this discussion about the motivation of the guys in the truck, and whether they were justified in making a "citizen's arrest" etc. But from the victim perspective, none of that matters. There was no crime being committed, so he had no idea why they were chasing him. All he knew is that armed white guys in a truck are chasing him. On what grounds does he need to submit to their "authority"? |
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He probably thought that they were trying to rob him. If it was strictly for murder he may have thought that they would have done that right away or from across the street.
But in a robbery you shouldn't run or try to grab the gun. Just give them your money and phone. That's what they want. |
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Just FYI, the 911 call that you're referencing was from a different night. It's the "reports of break ins" that they were referencing. They are the ones who reported a "break in", which wasn't actually a break in, but could reasonably be construed as trespassing. It was a person being nosy and checking out a partially built house. At this point, there's not even confirmation that the person they saw checking out the house under construction was actually Arbery. And even if it was... he wasn't breaking in. And that's the only report of anything resembling a break-in in the couple of months prior to them arming themselves and chasing a jogger down the road in a truck.
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Why would he assume they are trying to rob him?
YOU would assume they are trying to rob you, but then again, you have not grown up as a black person in Georgia, so that is a perspective from your white privilege. I do not presume that my perspective would apply in that situation. |
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Alright, I don't know you from Adam. I don't have any preformed bias as it relates to you. And I myself am frequently the cause of analysis paralysis that gets misunderstood.
I believe I get your point. That said, however, it wasn't until just a couple of posts prior to this that I started to think that maybe you weren't defending the aggressors in this situation, and rationalizing the victim's death. Throughout the first several pages of this thread, you really didn't come across as if you were just tactically analyzing the actions taken. So, from one ofttimes misunderstood poster to another, it might be worth re-reading your posts in this thread with an eye to how other people might see them. Especially when the readers don't have the benefit of the tone and inflection that you would apply to your statements. |
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I think the deceased attacked them because he worried they were going to get authorities and get him exposed as involved in crimes that day or previously.
I don’t think he thought for a moment they were robbers or killers. He saw them as Trayvon saw Zimmerman: busy body nosy snitches summoning the cops. |
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I knew you were going to say this, but that is because you are being defensive instead of paying attention.
I have never said anything about what he should have thought. You are the one who insists that he should treat it like he is being robbed. I make no assumption that it would look to him like a robbery, and therefore do assume that he should react as such. I am not the one claiming that he behaved improperly based on my privileged perspective of what I think he should be thinking. |
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Why, did they ask him for his wallet?
Alternatively: A black guy being chased by two white guys with shotguns? That's lynching in progress. Things in support of your interpretation: that's what it would be if it were a white guy Things in support of my interpretation: they never asked for his wallet; they actually were NOT trying to rob him That's an important part of this: If he had assumed it was an attempted robbery, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN WRONG!!!!! |
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But, but, but why else would white guys in a pickup with shotguns be chasing down a ****** ? Oh wait, he should have just assumed that they wanted to give him a ride to the gas station....
As I noted, if he would have assumed they were trying to rob him, he would have been wrong. In fact, there is no indication that he misread their intentions at all. |
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I wasn't told what was said. Maybe nothing was said. What would a murderer/executioner say when in hot pursuit of the victim?
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Thanks Joe.
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One thing that gets mentioned often in stories about this is the resemblance of Arbery to a man on surveillance video.
I haven't actually seen anything about the surveillance video. Does it exist? Does it show a break-in? Was it taken very near a break in? Is the man in the video actually Arbery? If not, do they have any visual features in common other than black skin? |
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