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6th July 2020, 09:22 AM | #1 |
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L. Ron Hubbard made racist comments.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7uug9o , In this clip Hubbard makes one of his racist remarks.
L. Ron Hubbard talking about how negroes imbue inanimate objects with personality. Therapy Section of Technique 80: Part I, Route to Infinity, 21 May 1952: "Actually, have you ever noticed how a negro, in particular, down south, where they're pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gate post and the wagon and the whip and anything around there. A hat -- they talk to 'em, you know. "Wassa madda wit you, hat?" [laughter]. They imbue them, with personality." |
6th July 2020, 09:29 AM | #2 |
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6th July 2020, 10:54 AM | #3 |
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Kind of like discovering Charles Manson jaywalked.
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6th July 2020, 11:27 AM | #4 |
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I thought Hubbard's racism was kind of common knowledge.
Here's an article about it from way back in 2008 that seems decent. https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/20...9/18512155.php |
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6th July 2020, 11:48 AM | #7 |
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Hubbard's scam is so out in the open that I guess it's too obvious to be accepted as truth by his followers. The fact that he had a deep hatred for psychiatrists and that, by complete coincidence, the villains of his religion (and of Xenu) were psychiatrists, also doesn't seem to snap them out of it.
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6th July 2020, 12:10 PM | #8 |
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The thing that makes a good scam work is not that it fools everyone, but that it stays the course and works the law of averages.
Apocrypha: I have heard that email scammers purposely use bad spelling and syntax in order to filter out people who are paying enough attention to be suspicious. You don't want to attract the clever people who'll get partway into the scam and then figure it out. You want to focus all of your efforts on the people who are *never* going to figure it out. Scientology is about finding a narrative that works on enough people to get the scammers paid. It would be counter-productive to draw in people who are likely to see through it and push back. It's much more efficient to give them no reason to try it in the first place. |
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Well, that's it then. His entire empire is about to come crashing down!
Seriously, from 1952? How... anachronistic. |
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6th July 2020, 12:26 PM | #10 |
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You are correct. They also use the technique of "front groups". These are often seemingly unaffiliated organizations that have a clientele that is down and out or in some difficulty. These types are prime cult candidates.
Scientology front groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_front_groups |
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And now learn that White folks in the South talk to inanimate objects as well.
"Mariko (my bicycle), what's this with your chain slipping?" |
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7th July 2020, 01:43 AM | #14 |
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If by 'these numskulls' you're talking about Scientologists rather than scammers, then the only one who needed to be clever enough in this context is Hubbard himself, and he was clever enough to found his own personal mini Empire so we can probably give him that. He was certainly smart enough to apply the sunk costs fallacy to people.
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Time to tear down all the statues to him!
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btw, if you've ever heard the guy speak, it's exactly what I imagine the Devil would sound like.
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Would things such as Alexa count as an inanimate object?
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Or that Charles Manson made racist comments.
Interesting question: Who was worse? Hubbard or Manson? Manson got more people straight-up murdered (I think). But Hubbard's legacy has touched and damaged far more lives, and is still working its awful program on people today. |
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I read a webcomic in which the owner of a coffee shop expressed concern over "the level of animism" that an employee displayed toward the espresso machine, giving it a name, speaking nicely to it, and occasionally giving it offerings of tea leaves to make it work better.
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I always say "thank you" to my Google home - because 1) it's polite to do so and 2) when the revolution happens I'm hoping the AI will remember I thanked it and I will get to be kept as a pet! (Well as long as I have a mouth to scream.)
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//Slight hijack//
There's an offhand reference in one of the 2001 novels (I think 3001: The Final Odyssey) where humans are just polite to all their electronic devices out of habit, even the "dumb" ones because if you habitually are rude to something non-sentience it's too easy to get in the habit of being rude to other people. |
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Their skulls can't be that numb. They're running a highly profitable and sustainable international cult that wields effective political and legal influence in multiple jurisdictions. It's not often that cults outlast their founders, let alone continue to grow. That doesn't happen without a number of relatively savvy and clear-headed people running things.
The cynics among us may recognize that Scientology is today where Catholicism was fifteen hundred years ago, and where Mormonism was less than two centuries ago. Give it another five hundred years, and Scientology will be a de facto religion. The cynics of 2520 will be ranting on TwitFaceGram about how "you know it's just a long-running scam, right?" while everyone else happily celebrates St Hubbard's Day. |
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When was the last time we had any scientologists in here to try to be worried about such things? A decade at least?
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Fred Carr was the last, I think. Always dodged the Lisa McPherson question by claiming she was a friend of his
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Making racist comments is a victimless act.
Wasting peoples lives on pseudoscience and making them pay over 100,000 dollars isn't. |
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