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26th November 2021, 11:09 PM | #881 |
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Seems like that illustrates a basic problem with the law. Suppose the killer ran out the back door, and the guy you jumped on was just a customer running from the gunfire. And suppose he fights back, thinking you're the gunman's accomplice. If the citizen making his "arrest" -- maybe forcibly -- didn't actually observe a crime, he can't really be sure what happened.
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29th November 2021, 07:02 AM | #882 |
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I could go on about how the felony murder doctrine is a bunch of garbage if that will help.
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Ultimately it becomes a political question. We can talk voting rights and the way law enforcement is structured in a way to avoid political responsibility. Also how with the death of local journalism and the corporate takeover of journalism in general a lot of this goes on in the dark. A lot less cop worship would go on if there were more exposure about what they actually do and the effects it has.
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The case to be made for the Scandinavian model of treating prisoners is that it allows for things like lower standards of proof and compelling defendant testimony without making the system a nightmare. As it is we have draconian punishments but make up for that by having a standard of proof such that the state is rarely going to be able to convict anyone without bending/breaking/finding exceptions to the rules or applying pressure (via threatening more draconian punishments) to get a plea bargain. |
3rd December 2021, 11:09 AM | #883 |
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Looks like Roddie can't catch a break! GoFundMe has shut down his fundraiser for an appeal. Which I'm in full support of, personally. Per their rules they do not allow a GoFundMe for legal defenses of violent crimes. Which I would say felony murder would fit.
His lawyer, in a continued effort to be a dim witted jack ass, had this to say:
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3rd December 2021, 11:13 AM | #884 |
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3rd December 2021, 11:16 AM | #885 |
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I think I would like to join the Woke Left Mob. Are torches and pitchforks provided, or or do I need to bring my own?
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3rd December 2021, 11:19 AM | #886 |
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Or one with a delete option?
You'll have to submit your request in writing to George Soros. After that it's just like Robin Hood: Men in Tights. You walk through the line, get your torch, pitchfork and pantyhose. We obviously wear pantyhose as the soybois we are. |
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3rd December 2021, 11:28 AM | #887 |
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Woke Left Mobs don't use torches, not carbon friendly. You'll be issued an LED baton or perhaps a glow stick.
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3rd December 2021, 12:03 PM | #888 |
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I mean, I have a bit of a beef with restricting legal defense funds based on the nature of the accusation seeing the whole point of a legal defense fund is to contest the allegations. However, it's an understandable policy.
The lawyer dressing it up as some sort of far reaching constitutional issue is clownish. Especially seeing the guy is guaranteed a lawyer and based on what he wrote there it's almost a lock that the guy would be in better hands with a public defender. Especially if the pd has an appellate specific division. |
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I mean isn't that always what we get told when white people kill black people? The whole "LOL sad and all but can't risk breaking the system by doing anything in response to it" thing?
White evil always gets to appeal to some broader concept that punishing them for would put at risk, concerns which are never there when black people do something wrong. |
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3rd December 2021, 01:07 PM | #890 |
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Maybe I'm not understanding this but he is still able to raise funds. He just can't do it through GoFundMe. I don't really see that as restricting legal defense funds. Like I said, perhaps I'm not parsing what you're saying correctly.
Roddie's attorney was a grade a dumbass. |
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3rd December 2021, 02:03 PM | #891 |
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Sure. Just look at how when white people commit an atrocity the public discourse looks at mental illness and soul searches about why people do things and when a Black person does it the discourse goes more in the dehumanizing scary monster territory. It is another example of the "in vs. other" that is the core of conservativism.
It is just that, as in this thread, a lot of the cheerleading done for these ofay fools getting what they deserve and pining for worse makes me uneasy because I'm always going to be wary of the carceral state. Not out of sympathy for these fools but because in the larger picture I'm more worried about how selective harsh treatment of whitey mchugepickuptruck can serve as a sort of justification for the everyday atrocities against the disadvantaged. |
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That site is being reasonable in a global sense and can do as they please but I have a particular axe to grind with those that treat legal accusations as conclusions based on how scary those accusations are.
I mean, nobody is staying up nights worrying about these guys, but I think in terms of the parents of some poor Black kid who is being wrongfully accused of some violent crime and the policy seems less just.
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3rd December 2021, 02:16 PM | #893 |
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Ok, I guess that's what I was thinking you were saying. I don't personally agree, but I'll more or less leave it at that.
Be easier to take a reasonable line if you won lol. I wouldn't be prone to taking a lawyer that lost just because he talks nice and looks upscale, but as you said, chud clients aren't all that bright. |
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5th December 2021, 05:15 PM | #895 |
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All three of their lawyers sucked. The crosses of the two GBI agents were atrocious and the direct of Travis was nothing short of negligent. They were so bad that I have to wonder if there isn't a thought of inadequate representation as a grounds for an appeal. Their case still sucks but maybe the idea is to get a new trial and hope for better luck on jury selection.
When I worked for INS (before Homeland Security) I got crossed by some mindless incompetents. There are great lawyers who work in immigration law (which I will caveat by saying immigration law is administrative law and the rules of procedure and evidence are very different from criminal law) but the practice also attracts some complete bottom feeders. The cross of the GBI agents was atrocious. The worst $50 an hour immigration lawyer with an office in the Seattle Warehouse district would have done better. |
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Sentencing today. A plea deal has already been dismissed.
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7th January 2022, 07:59 AM | #897 |
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Life...no parole. Except for Roddie. He should probably be paroled post 70s
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Roddie's team is trying to sell the Judge a lighter sentence for him.
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I don't think the Judge has much more patience with Roddie's team's continuing "I mean he just drove the truck that was running him down, I don't get why he's getting lumped in with the murderers!" arguments.
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*Eye rolls* And now he's arguing Double Jeopardy. (I have no idea how)
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7th January 2022, 09:30 AM | #901 |
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Way to go for the mom. She threw the toenail thing right back in defense's face and rubbed their noses in it.
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The defense's "Sure he gunned a man down in cold blood for no reason, but come on we have a bunch of people who he once loaned a cup of sugar to" defense is infuriating.
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The defense team continues to make really good arguments for the prosecution.
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Even the defense is only asking for Life with the Possibility of Parole, which in Georgia means they aren't even up for Parole for 30 years worst case.
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The defense referred (in a really, really weird and off moment) to Arbury's toenails.
"Turning Ahmaud Arbery into a victim after the choices that he made does not reflect the reality of what brought Ahmaud Arbery to Satilla Shores in his khaki shorts with no socks to cover his long, dirty toenails." - Laura Hogue, defense attorney for Gregory McMichael, in court on November 23, 2021 during the defense's closing arguments. |
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I live in Georgia and thousands of black citizens jog unmolested. Those rednecks that killed that black jogger are in for a long prison possibly a lifetime.
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As I understand it, a life sentence is mandatory for those convictions. The judge's only discretion is the possibility of parole.
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Defense is still going on about how is Arbury's fault.
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*Bangs head on wall* They are still doing the "They pointed the gun at him, they pulled the trigger, they knew the bullets would kill him but... that's not the same thing as wanting him to die!" nonsense.
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Did she just say he had done "thousands and thousands" of good deeds? Too bad he chose his legacy to be murder then...
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It's so hollow and hypocritical and outright rage inducing to use these kind of arguments when the defense's entire argument is "LOL well Arbury might have been doing something wrong so it's totes okay that they gunned him down."
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