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Old 4th August 2021, 03:16 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Why? The whole world has been seeing them for quite some time and, as has been pointed out here repeatedly, no one has seemed to have an issue until *checks notes* one, individual female had a problem.

The saying goes, if you're looking to get offended, you'll find something.
There are plenty of professional offence-takers out there, and not a few of them operating right here in this thread. The pity (and shame) is that they don't appear to be offended by obvious racism anywhere near as much as they are offended by a fully-clothed husband and wife cuddling on a beach.

Pearl clutchers every last one of them.

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"Sexy and erotic" is completely suggestive. You, Emily's Cat, are viewing it that way. I, plague311, see a man enjoying a vacation with his wife. He's not between her legs, they're both fully clothed, they aren't making out, and they aren't grinding on each other. It's a picture of them on a beach.
I see what you see. It takes a dirty mind to see those as dirty pictures.
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Old 4th August 2021, 03:34 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
There are plenty of professional offence-takers out there, and not a few of them operating right here in this thread. The pity (and shame) is that they don't appear to be offended by obvious racism anywhere near as much as they are offended by a fully-clothed husband and wife cuddling on a beach.

Pearl clutchers every last one of them.



I see what you see. It takes a dirty mind to see those as dirty pictures
Your mask just slipped a little. No one in the thread thinks they are dirty. We have said sexy, and with one voice said they are no big deal and most of us find them pretty hot.

But you independently equated sexy with 'dirty pictures', without even realizing it.
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Old 4th August 2021, 03:42 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
There are plenty of professional offence-takers out there, and not a few of them operating right here in this thread. The pity (and shame) is that they don't appear to be offended by obvious racism anywhere near as much as they are offended by a fully-clothed husband and wife cuddling on a beach.

Pearl clutchers every last one of them.



I see what you see. It takes a dirty mind to see those as dirty pictures.
I think a little context is appropriate, here.

We live in a country where in recent years:
A teacher was called into the office every monday morning and asked to remove the bikini pictures from her body building competitions.
https://people.com/celebrity/utah-te...-bikini-shots/

A teacher was fired for her side job as a bikini model.
https://www.eonline.com/news/417466/...-modeling-pics

A teacher was either harassed or fired because a selfie she sent to her then boyfriend (also a teacher) got out through no action of hers. (Lawsuit in progress there.)
https://patch.com/new-york/shirley-m...topless-selfie

Historically, teachers have had a moral code imposed on them. In the early 20th century, there were even rules as to how late they could be out at night, and when and in what manner they could court or be courted. Yes, that's a long time ago, but some of that expectation lingers on.

My point is that, yes, there may be racism here. But it's not the obvious slam dunk you think it is when you put in the context of the expectations and limitations we place on how teachers lead their lives. It's ********, but a romantic picture for you and I could be judged by some as being too steamy for a teacher to post publicly.

And, to be clear, no one here is saying that teachers should be held to that standard. It is just pointed out that they are. Which clouds the issue as to what the motivation behind being asked to take the picture down might be.

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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Your mask just slipped a little. No one in the thread thinks they are dirty. We have said sexy, and with one voice said they are no big deal and most of us find them pretty hot.
OK...perhaps you would have preferred this...

It takes a seriously ****** up prude to see those as dirty/erotic/suggestive/sexy pictures.

If you are seeing erotica in those pictures, then that is in your mind, and the problem lies with YOU, not the vast majority of others.

Only ONE person complained, but literally thousands have supported him. That speaks volumes about the nature of those pictures!

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But you independently equated sexy with 'dirty pictures', without even realizing it.
Nice try at a gotcha, but a total fail.
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Originally Posted by TomB View Post
I think a little context is appropriate, here.

We live in a country where in recent years:
a teacher was called into the office every monday morning and asked to remove the bikini pictures from her body building competitions.
And this is just as wrong IMV
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Originally Posted by TomB View Post
I think a little context is appropriate, here.

We live in a country where in recent years:
a teacher was called into the office every monday morning and asked to remove the bikini pictures from her body building competitions.
Here's the thing, though. Nobody cares about these pictures. Well, except maybe that one parent from 2019. School boards just want peace and no controversy, so if a parent complains and they ask a teacher to remove some pics, and he willingly does, it's peace on earth for all. Dr Whitfeild can put his anniversary pics on his private feed, instead of the one he uses to publically discuss school matters. Seems fair. Does him and his wife on a Mexican beach really have anything to do with his work, that he uses the page for?

They are brought up now, as the OP article said, because he posted on his feed about the school business of his being attacked for pushing a 'white people are inherently racist' CRT teaching. That's why it's in our forum now.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
OK...perhaps you would have preferred this...

It takes a seriously ****** up prude to see those as dirty/erotic/suggestive/sexy pictures.

If you are seeing erotica in those pictures, then that is in your mind, and the problem lies with YOU, not the vast majority of others.
Sexy is not a bad thing. It's really weird how you keep tying finding a picture sexy to prudish depravity. It's kind of normal to find attractive people being intimate as sexy.

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Only ONE person complained, but literally thousands have supported him. That speaks volumes about the nature of those pictures!
Yes, Johnny-come-lately, we know. Been said many times and all here in agreement. You're tilting at windmills.

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Nice try at a gotcha, but a total fail. You are nowhere near as clever as you imagine!
Yet even in your reply, you still have dirty and sexy in the same backslashed group. That's like putting pornography and Picasso's Nude Decending a Staircase in the same backslashed condemnation. Quit while your sexual hangups are not in full view.
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That's not remotely what I'm saying. On the other hand, I also generally think that people's sexual interactions shouldn't be shared with the public.
What do you mean by "sexual interactions"? He's not having sex with her on the picture. I mean sure, the pictures are romantic. One of them could be said to be a bit more than that, but it's a far cry from anything unbecoming of someone with a job.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
There are plenty of professional offence-takers out there, and not a few of them operating right here in this thread.
Defensive much?

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The pity (and shame) is that they don't appear to be offended by obvious racism anywhere near as much as they are offended by a fully-clothed husband and wife cuddling on a beach.
Two points here, and I doubt you'll answer them, because you're now posting nonsense.

Where is the "obvious racism" in the person who complained? To be "obvious" you will need to have some kind of evidence to back it, and you have none. You think that's what it is, despite your original position about the one photo being busted.

The second point is who in this thread is offended by the pics? Scroll back and quote me the post where someone shows any sign of offence.

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OK...perhaps you would have preferred this...

It takes a seriously ****** up prude to see those as dirty/erotic/suggestive/sexy pictures.
Shoulda gone with the all-caps, might have had more impact.

If you don't see a woman laying on a beach while her husband crawls between her legs as sexy, you're simply posting BS to support something you failed horribly at - insisting the complaint was race-based.

Someone already made the point about hammers and nails.

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Only ONE person complained, but literally thousands have supported him. That speaks volumes about the nature of those pictures!
You're old enough to remember NZ's great virgin prude, Patricia Bartlett. Prudes often wield influence far beyond their rightful place.
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People need to "mind their own business" when making a judgement of someone who has their FB page as that of a "public figure"?

Comical.

Forcing someone to take down a photo goes beyond "not minding one's own business". Yes?
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What do you mean by "sexual interactions"? He's not having sex with her on the picture. I mean sure, the pictures are romantic. One of them could be said to be a bit more than that, but it's a far cry from anything unbecoming of someone with a job.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCO-SBPTF5E

"Sexual" is in the eye of the beholder. The Photos - while clearly innocent- also seemed intended to advertise that the couple still enjoy ******* each other, something to be happy about on an anniversary.

I feel private postings on social media should have no impact on employment under any circumstance- yet if they do, the somewhat erotic nature of the photos makes them fair game (in an unfair game)
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Defensive much?
So, stating facts is defensive now? OK, got it!

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Two points here, and I doubt you'll answer them, because you're now posting nonsense.
Where is the "obvious racism" in the person who complained? To be "obvious" you will need to have some kind of evidence to back it, and you have none. You think that's what it is, despite your original position about the one photo being busted.
Err he's black, she's white, they are married, in the most racist state in one of the most racist countries in the world, where laws making it illegal for a black man to marry a white woman still existed within living memory (1967), and you think racism is off the table?

Well I see it as far more likely that this is racism than it is someone being a prude given the context stated above.

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The second point is who in this thread is offended by the pics? Scroll back and quote me the post where someone shows any sign of offence.
Anyone who agrees they were inappropriate, and that the school district was right to ask they be taken down. Why would you agree with them if you were not offended?

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If you don't see a fully clothed woman laying on a beach while her fully clothed husband crawls between her legs as sexy poses for a professional photographer....
FTFY, and no, I don't. I also I don't see any of these photos as inappropriate to post on a PERSONAL* Facebook page. Furthermore, I don't see that it is anyone else's business but his and his wife's

* All caps used as per your recommendation

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You're old enough to remember NZ's great virgin prude, Patricia Bartlett. Prudes often wield influence far beyond their rightful place.
Patricia who? (seriously, I had never heard of her... I had to look her up and the photos don't ring any bells).
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The second point is who in this thread is offended by the pics? Scroll back and quote me the post where someone shows any sign of offence.
Hold my beer....

The picture is offensive because it reinforces heteronormativity and patriarchy with the man in a dominant position above the woman and looking like he's about to masturbate inside her. The viewer is left wondering about the presence pf crystal clear consent and without that present there's bit of a rapey vibe going on.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ae0c9e812a.jpg

Side note: So much for that innocent peck on the cheek. Dude is about to smash that thang like a runaway dump truck.
I don't see anything terribly objectionable, then again we weren't allowed to have sleeveless shirts at my high school. And I acknowledge the need for educators and staff to maintain professionalism and all that. I just think the public outrage is way out of proportion to what he did. I can't find info on whether these photos were public or private (friends only view) but I assume the former if so many people saw it, and I think he should at most keep these between friends and family.
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I also I don't see any of these photos as inappropriate to post on a PERSONAL* Facebook page.
Me neither, but I can definitely see that some people would.

This is the same country a congresswoman was barred from the state congress for using the word "vagina".

I'm not even going to mention the amazing number of women and girls who have been told to cover up or be removed from a plane/school in the same country.

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Furthermore, I don't see that it is anyone else's business but his and his wife's
Then he should have set the page to private.
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Err he's black, she's white, they are married, in the most racist state in one of the most racist countries in the world, where laws making it illegal for a black man to marry a white woman still existed within living memory (1967), and you think racism is off the table?
OMG, you found yet another nail!
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Err he's black, she's white, they are married, in the most racist state in one of the most racist countries in the world, where laws making it illegal for a black man to marry a white woman still existed within living memory (1967), and you think racism is off the table?
I'm not really sure it's accurate to say that Texas is the most racist state. Usually, my mind drifts to Misissippi, Alabama, Georgia or Louisiana for that.

I'm not even sure how you measure that, but I did a search and found lists that variously ranked West Virginia, Wisconsin, or Louisiana as the most racist.

Regardless, I understand that enough things happen due to racism that if you assume that to be the cause you have a good chance of being correct. But that does not mean it is always the case. Never underestimate people's capacity to be dicks to each other for any reason. Or no reason at all.

The fact that they are a mixed couple may be the triggering factor for the complainer. Or it might be that the pose was too suggestive for someone with a 1950s prudishness. Or it might be that their favored candidate for the job was passed over and they're using any stupid thing they can find to try to paint the hiring as the wrong choice.
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Well I see it as far more likely that this is racism than it is someone being a prude given the context stated above.
See, this is the thing: No one is saying it couldn't have been or even that it wasn't about race. Just that there are other possibilities as well.

So you feel like racism is the most likely possibility. Others, given the context of the microscope educators are put through, might see the other as being the most likely.

Everyone agrees that racism is a possibility. Can you accept that there is another possibility as well? Even while thinking it less likely?
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Anyone who agrees they were inappropriate, and that the school district was right to ask they be taken down. Why would you agree with them if you were not offended?
No one agrees that they were inappropriate.
No one agrees that the school district was right to ask him to take them down.
No one on this board was offended.

You are arguing against positions that no one has expressed.

To make it clear, the position I am seeing from Thermal is this:
There was nothing wrong with the pictures and the school district should not have asked him to remove them.

We don't know why the one person who complained about them was offended. It could be racism or it could be an antiquated sense of what kind of image an educator should project in public. Or it could be both.


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FTFY, and no, I don't. I also I don't see any of these photos as inappropriate to post on a PERSONAL* Facebook page. Furthermore, I don't see that it is anyone else's business but his and his wife's
I agree. Hell, my daughter photographs couples in this type of pose all the time in her side business. It's pretty tame.

But again, I think everyone here agrees with you on this. So what are you arguing about again?

This is not a discussion where one side thinks the pictures were OK and the other thinks they were inappropriate. That's not in dispute.

The disagreement is the possible reason that some unknown person who is not participating in the discussion claimed to be offended.

Racism is a likely possibility.

But given that the contents of social media have been held against teachers, it is also a likely possibility that some idiot found the pictures too steamy for the public image of a principal. It's demonstrable that this happens. Noting this or explaining why it happens is not the same as agreeing with it.

Another thing everyone agrees on: The person who complained is an *******.
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I'm not really sure it's accurate to say that Texas is the most racist state.
https://www.tpr.org/texas/2021-03-21...20-report-says

Its one the absolute worst...being the second most, or third most racist out of 50 states is nothing to be proud of...
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The Photos - while clearly innocent- also seemed intended to advertise that the couple still enjoy ******* each other, something to be happy about on an anniversary.
I think you are going backwards from your own impression and assigning this as an intent. It's suggestive, but I wouldn't say it was the intent to "advertise" their sexuality. You're reading too much into this.
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I doubt it will be an issue...unless she partially spreads her legs open while you mount her (as shown in the full pics).
Ok, where is the picture you're describing? I want to see that picture. The one that you linked to shows no signs of "mounting". Her leg, again, is between his legs. with everyone fully clothed, including her in terrible denim. Now Thermal just offered to show me how sex works with his anatomical dolls, but maybe I shouldn't be the one he's offering that too.

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Ok, this is getting complicated. See, most of us do kiss our spouses, and even more. We have a special hug we do, that looks remarkably like the FB picture in question, so we recognize the similarity and implication of the pose. Have you ever seen other people do that, who were not in what we call a sexual relationship, or about to enter one poste haste?
I have 3 children. Just because I and my wife don't enjoy kissing, or cuddling doesn't mean I don't enjoy sex. Perhaps you're extremely confused on how those things aren't the same at all. Tell you what, take your dolls (super weird by the way), and do some youtubing. Perhaps someone on there can show you the difference. If what you do with your spouse is sit, fully clothed, with her leg between your legs and you refer to it as your "special hug", I feel like maybe I'm not the one lost here.

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You are confusing posters. That was Warp12. I'm Thermal. If you find reading the screen names challenging, you can look at our avatars. Mine is an orangish fire G.O.A.T. His is one of those blue star hyperspace thingys. You're welcome.
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Nice to see you be PWND by the actual photos shortly after that post.
If that gets you going, let me introduce you to WWE. Or the Dalas Cowboys cheerleading squad.


If these photos are considered erotic or provocative then the world's gone mad. The puritans would be very proud.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"I'm going to analyze the body language in this picture of a white woman and black man to an absurd degree. BTW I'm not racist."
Yeah, but brah, he was totally going to mount her in the picture. Brah...brah. Look at it, brah. Mounting position, brah.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Agree.

Think it is more dont want a leachy plasticy looking principal running your kids school as probably more worried about their side modelling job.
Superfical, sanctimonious fan fiction.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"I'm going to analyze the body language in this picture of a white woman and black man to an absurd degree. BTW I'm not racist."
I'd love to have the ability to visit alternate realites where only a single thing is changed and see what happens, then report back here. Like, in that alternate reality the guy is white and also posted that picture on FB.
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Ok, where is the picture you're describing? I want to see that picture. The one that you linked to shows no signs of "mounting". Her leg, again, is between his legs. with everyone fully clothed, including her in terrible denim. Now Thermal just offered to show me how sex works with his anatomical dolls, but maybe I shouldn't be the one he's offering that too.



I have 3 children. Just because I and my wife don't enjoy kissing, or cuddling doesn't mean I don't enjoy sex. Perhaps you're extremely confused on how those things aren't the same at all. Tell you what, take your dolls (super weird by the way), and do some youtubing. Perhaps someone on there can show you the difference. If what you do with your spouse is sit, fully clothed, with her leg between your legs and you refer to it as your "special hug", I feel like maybe I'm not the one lost here.



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Ok. With all the jabbing aside for a moment, this is kind of interesting, and others have alluded to it too.

What do you think "Sexy"means? You seem to think that if any part of their bodies are not anatomically correct for sex, and if they are clothed, it can't be sexy? I genuinely don't get that.

We were talking a little about this on the Most Erotic Video thread. One video was noted as being inexplicably sexy, which boiled down to nothing more than the look on the fully clothed and partnerless singer's face. To a lot of us, sexiness is in the suggestion and implication more than like overt porn.

My wife can do this with ease: she can be fully clothed and across the room, and just giving me a certain look, I find her incredibly erotic. On the flip, a woman could be stripped down and taking it in both ends and not be sexy at all.

Do you think people have to be undressed and in correct sex positions to be sensuous to an observer? Might clear the out-of-whack perception up here.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
"I'm going to analyze the body language in this picture of a white woman and black man to an absurd degree. BTW I'm not racist."
LOL. Ya, it's a real absurd dissection.

Poster A: "That's a kind of hot pose"

Poster B: "No it's not. They're clothed and a leg is in the wrong place "

Ya, which one is absurdly dissecting again?
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Ok. With all the jabbing aside for a moment, this is kind of interesting, and others have alluded to it too.

What do you think "Sexy"means? You seem to think that if any part of their bodies are not anatomically correct for sex, and if they are clothed, it can't be sexy? I genuinely don't get that.
None, none of their body parts are anatomically correct for sex. There's nothing about that photo, to me, that implies they're about to have sex. You and Warp12 seem to think he's ready to, what term are we using now? Plow? Dump truck? Bone? Well, whatever sweet term you're using for it, at any moment. I'm also not saying it can't be sexy, I'm saying I don't find it sexy for the stated reasons. Does that help?

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We were talking a little about this on the Most Erotic Video thread. One video was noted as being inexplicably sexy, which boiled down to nothing more than the look on the fully clothed and partnerless singer's face. To a lot of us, sexiness is in the suggestion and implication more than like overt porn.
Right, to a lot of you. I'm saying that's ridiculous. You can be sexy while being clothed, if that's what you're asking. Some clothes, I dare say, are sexy themselves. Again, hopefully that will clear this up. My point isn't in one aspect, my point is the combination of all of the things I've said make me feel like this isn't a sexy, erotic, or suggestive enough picture to be a problem for anyone, let alone a principal.

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My wife can do this with ease: she can be fully clothed and across the room, and just giving me a certain look, I find her incredibly erotic. On the flip, a woman could be stripped down and taking it in both ends and not be sexy at all.
That's...certainly something.

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Do you think people have to be undressed and in correct sex positions to be sensuous to an observer? Might clear the out-of-whack perception up here.
No, of course not, but I do need more than a married couple, fully clothed, laying on the beach and having a picture taken.

I totally get it, YOU find this suggestive, or sensuous. I'm not sure why it's blowing your mind that I don't, but I think we can fairly easily come the conclusion that you and I are at odds with what we find sensuous and suggestive. It is what it is.
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It's ironic that, on the new posts page right at the moment, a thread arguing whether photos of a man suggestive of the fact that he has a sexual relationship with his wife are offensive is directly above one arguing whether overtly sexualised outfits for sportswomen are completely OK. There seems to be more than the faintest hint of a double standard.

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Whenever I am lacking direction on issues of a sexual/erotic nature, I look to France. Especially when it comes to young girls.
Ah yes, that's why the teenage pregnancy rate is so much lower in the USA....
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And in the inexplicable dishonesty department, we now see that the OP pic was cropped, presumably to look more innocent. The full pic shows her laying back while he assumes the Mounting Position.

https://people.com/human-interest/te...tos-with-wife/

Now, it's still a no big deal pic in my most humble of opinions. Maybe not entirely appropriate for high school related discussions by the principal. But I think it could be agreed that the crop was intended to deceive the reader?
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I'm not really sure it's accurate to say that Texas is the most racist state. Usually, my mind drifts to Misissippi, Alabama, Georgia or Louisiana for that.

I'm not even sure how you measure that, but I did a search and found lists that variously ranked West Virginia, Wisconsin, or Louisiana as the most racist.

Regardless, I understand that enough things happen due to racism that if you assume that to be the cause you have a good chance of being correct. But that does not mean it is always the case. Never underestimate people's capacity to be dicks to each other for any reason. Or no reason at all.

The fact that they are a mixed couple may be the triggering factor for the complainer. Or it might be that the pose was too suggestive for someone with a 1950s prudishness. Or it might be that their favored candidate for the job was passed over and they're using any stupid thing they can find to try to paint the hiring as the wrong choice.

See, this is the thing: No one is saying it couldn't have been or even that it wasn't about race. Just that there are other possibilities as well.

So you feel like racism is the most likely possibility. Others, given the context of the microscope educators are put through, might see the other as being the most likely.

Everyone agrees that racism is a possibility. Can you accept that there is another possibility as well? Even while thinking it less likely?

No one agrees that they were inappropriate.
No one agrees that the school district was right to ask him to take them down.
No one on this board was offended.

You are arguing against positions that no one has expressed.

To make it clear, the position I am seeing from Thermal is this:
There was nothing wrong with the pictures and the school district should not have asked him to remove them.

We don't know why the one person who complained about them was offended. It could be racism or it could be an antiquated sense of what kind of image an educator should project in public. Or it could be both.



I agree. Hell, my daughter photographs couples in this type of pose all the time in her side business. It's pretty tame.

But again, I think everyone here agrees with you on this. So what are you arguing about again?

This is not a discussion where one side thinks the pictures were OK and the other thinks they were inappropriate. That's not in dispute.

The disagreement is the possible reason that some unknown person who is not participating in the discussion claimed to be offended.

Racism is a likely possibility.

But given that the contents of social media have been held against teachers, it is also a likely possibility that some idiot found the pictures too steamy for the public image of a principal. It's demonstrable that this happens. Noting this or explaining why it happens is not the same as agreeing with it.

Another thing everyone agrees on: The person who complained is an *******.
Agreed on all counts, and kudos to you for the level delivery. One nitpick re my position: while this could be attributed to any number of motivations, overt racism included, my needle swings a little harder than usual towards the sexy thing on this one, based on only one pic singled out of all his pics with his wife, and that one is the lightly sultry one.

Also, if it is an example of white on black racism, wouldn't we kind of need to identify the racists as, you know...white? We don't even know. Doesn't stop the Uptight Whitey Brigade here from assuming, though.

Also: the "Texas Racists": the figures presented were raw numbers, not per capita...from the second highest population in the States. A skeptic might question that.
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Everyone agrees that racism is a possibility. Can you accept that there is another possibility as well? Even while thinking it less likely?

No one agrees that they were inappropriate.
No one agrees that the school district was right to ask him to take them down.
No one on this board was offended.

You are arguing against positions that no one has expressed.
For a position that no one has expressed, they sure have gone on arguing about how erotic, sensuous or sexual the picture is, why is that? If I, or he, is arguing against a position that no one has expressed, why are there constant arguments about how sexual the pic is?

Everyone participating here understands that the forum members aren't "offended" by the pictures. You'd have to be a complete dope to be offended by these pictures. If what you're saying is true, then it's completely odd how at least 2 members in this thread are prattling on and on about how the principal is ready to insert_stupidass_slur_for_sex_here in the picture.
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Every employer nowadays has clauses in the employment contract about personal social media conduct that might reflect badly on the employer. . . .
Really? Given that most employees in the US don't even have an employment contract, I'm skeptical of this claim. Most of us have, at most, an "employee handbook".
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For a position that no one has expressed, they sure have gone on arguing about how erotic, sensuous or sexual the picture is, why is that? If I, or he, is arguing against a position that no one has expressed, why are there constant arguments about how sexual the pic is?
I've noticed this a lot in the discussion with the usual suspects.

Arguments that nobody is making just magically appear in the discussion.

They "just say" something, then act like we're the ones who brought it up when we argue against it.
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For a position that no one has expressed, they sure have gone on arguing about how erotic, sensuous or sexual the picture is, why is that? If I, or he, is arguing against a position that no one has expressed, why are there constant arguments about how sexual the pic is?

Everyone participating here understands that the forum members aren't "offended" by the pictures. You'd have to be a complete dope to be offended by these pictures. If what you're saying is true, then it's completely odd how at least 2 members in this thread are prattling on and on about how the principal is ready to insert_stupidass_slur_for_sex_here in the picture.
Again, without the jabbing: we noted that the reason Dr Whitfield was asked to remove it may be that the pic was a little too sexy-ish for a school principal who discusses school matters on that page. We are meeting with direct pushback denying that anyone could possibly take that as sexy. I mean come on, they are fully clothed and a leg is in the wrong place, right?

The narrative argument here is that he is being racially persecuted. Ok. Any evidence presented yet that his aggressors are in fact white? Serious question. Pretty basic requirement for your argument.
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Again, without the jabbing:
What jabbing? Who's jabbing what?

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we noted that the reason Dr Whitfield was asked to remove it may be that the pic was a little too sexy-ish for a school principal who discusses school matters on that page. We are meeting with direct pushback denying that anyone could possibly take that as sexy. I mean come on, they are fully clothed and a leg is in the wrong place, right?
Ah yes, those two things are the only reasons why I don't think they're sexy.

Top notch detective work as per usual, Thermal. Top. Notch. Just to cutoff the lame reply that will be some form of "that's all you've said hurhurhur". It's not. I don't see anything sexual in that picture worth mentioning, or any picture that's been presented. I've asked for others only to be met with silence. What I have seen is two, apparently, surfer bros use various super dope terms implying that they're ready to pound right on the beach.

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The narrative argument here is that he is being racially persecuted. Ok. Any evidence presented yet that his aggressors are in fact white? Serious question. Pretty basic requirement for your argument.
The **** ? My argument? My only argument is how stupid it is that these pictures are considered sexual and asked to be taken down in the first place. I think my biggest problem is the fact that the committee member that fielded the phone call didn't just leave it at "yeah, we'll look into it" and be done.

In fact, I specifically said that I don't know if it's racist or not, just that racism doesn't always have to come in blatant form. It can be through harassment, or nitpicking nonsense like this.
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Based on? I'm genuinely curious what makes these pictures so "erotic"? He's wearing full length pants, she's wearing a full outfit. They aren't even kissing, she appears to be gazing off in the distance.

Does this photo really turn people on? Like, for real? I am just not seeing it. I think, for lack of better words, it's adorable. Mostly because they're both willing to put up with that ******** sand long enough to get the pics taken. Erotic? No. No way.
I've passed the image around the available sample of humans here (the cat expressed no opinion) as an experiment and the unanimous (7/7) view was 'no'.
The descriptions were universally in the 'cute', 'awww' and 'meh' ranges.With some critique of the posed nature of the photo.
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For a position that no one has expressed, they sure have gone on arguing about how erotic, sensuous or sexual the picture is, why is that? If I, or he, is arguing against a position that no one has expressed, why are there constant arguments about how sexual the pic is?

Everyone participating here understands that the forum members aren't "offended" by the pictures. You'd have to be a complete dope to be offended by these pictures. If what you're saying is true, then it's completely odd how at least 2 members in this thread are prattling on and on about how the principal is ready to insert_stupidass_slur_for_sex_here in the picture.
For Thermal, at least, I interpreted his posts to be describing how someone else could possible see the pictures as too sexy, not how he sees them as too sexy. Because it's been clear to me that he doesn't see them as too sexy.

I do agree that his descriptions to that end were somewhat hyperbolic. ("mounting position?") If I were to describe how someone else might see them, I would have compared it to the cover of a fairly tame romance novel: romantic, with a hint of sexuality. The point not being that the picture is super hot, but that some people have their prim and proper level set that low. And to be clear, it is way too low.

As for the other poster... well... I haven't really paid much attention to him.

I do think there is an interesting discussion as to what kind of image an educator should be expected to present on social media. For the most part, I lean towards: if it's not illegal, then it's fine, but I can understand arguments to the contrary.

This particular picture really shouldn't trigger anyone, but there is always some puritan out there who thinks married people should sleep in separate beds like on 50s TV.

And apparently, there are people who comb through educator's facebook pages looking for crap:

Here's a teacher who was given a choice to resign or be suspended because complained about a picture she posted of herself holding a beer during a trip to Europe:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-the...-kill-privacy/

Another one where a teacher was reprimanded for posting pictures of herself pole dancing in her home.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...dancing-videos

There are also a slew of firings or reprimands to teachers for the words they post. Some have been for making statements critical of the district. Some have been for things that most here would probably agree they should be fired for, such as posting their views against gay marriage, BLM, or other political things.

(I'll admit that I haven't found a direct analog to this particular case. I've also noticed that most of the cases I've found have been women.)

So are there limits to what a teacher should be able to post on social media that are more restrictive than what, say, an auto mechanic can post?

If so, how do we decide which activities, opinions, or jokes cross the line? Does the line get set by someone like, SuburbanTurkey? thePrestige? EmilysCat? Whose standards should we use? I'm sure we can all agree that it shouldn't be someone who is offended by tame romantic pictures like the one being discussed here. But whose standards should be used?
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Side note: So much for that innocent peck on the cheek. Dude is about to smash that thang like a runaway dump truck.
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