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Old 21st September 2007, 04:41 PM   #1
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Question Comparison: Bush and Hitler

A search within this Subforum didn't reveal a similar thread,
so let me ask directly - even if this Issue surfaced already in
one or the other Thread-Derail:

Probably all of you heard some people comparing the current
White House/Bush/Cheney etc. to the Nazi-Regime/Hitler - and
the similarities about how both Administrations "adjust" democratic
regulations in a way that rather limits freedoms.

Now many arguments I heard so far seem to be pretty far-fetched
or simply straightway wrong. Here are some examples for Issues
that get compared between both Administrations:

Guantanamo - Auschwitz
Patriot Act - Enabling Act
911 Attacks - Reichstag fire
Habeas corpus - Reichstag Fire Decree
Blackwater - SS
Iraq invasion - Poland invasion

Feel free to add - if you remember comparisons I forgot here...

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Just recently Colbert had an Author on his show who did write
a book about "The End of America: A Letter of Warning To A Young Patriot.":
The Colbert Report: Naomi Wolf on Fascism in America

There's also a Website that sums up some of these comparisons:
http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm

So my question is:

From a skeptic point of view: How far-fetched are these comparisons
and which ones are realistic and indeed comparable?

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ETA:
Even if it may sound like a bad joke for some people, the thread
has a serious question because Germans in the 1930's would have
laughed about such a thread as well.

And we all know what came after the laughter, don't we?

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Old 21st September 2007, 04:59 PM   #2
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at aushwitz, millions of people were gassed to death and starved to death. at gitmo, a few hundred people are held in solitary confinemant. they are given 3 good meals a day, state of the art healthcare, clothing, shelter, etc.
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Oh, this is going to turn out well...
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:15 PM   #6
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:27 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
Mein Kampf by Hitler compares well with the right wing agenda that Reagan, Bush I, and -more than anyone- Bush II espouse.

More about htis comparison when I get a list together, soon.
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:28 PM   #8
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:37 PM   #9
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This topic is meant seriously about the political courses of
both Administrations - not about comparing hair colors or other
nonsense. Both of these examples are real and I'm not asking
about both ends of the extreme
but rather about the political
backgrounds and intentions that are similar and comparable:

Guantanamo - Auschwitz
Patriot Act - Enabling Act
911 Attacks - Reichstag fire
Habeas corpus - Reichstag Fire Decree
Blackwater - SS
Iraq invasion - Poland invasion
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:42 PM   #10
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I've got Oliver on ignore but I'll bite based on the other posts.

Neither were German, holy, Roman nor emperors.
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:45 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by RandFan View Post
I've got Oliver on ignore but I'll bite based on the other posts.

Neither were German, holy, Roman nor emperors.

Please activate the "Hide Threads from people on Ignore" as well, thanks.

ETA: Can a mod move off-topic, ridiculing replies to AAH?
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:51 PM   #12
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:53 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Gravy View Post
Ask a Jew.

Since we also have Jewish Members, I surely didn't exclude Jewish opinions.
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Old 21st September 2007, 05:57 PM   #14
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Nacht der langen Messer - prosecutor firings (EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!111pi)
by all accounts, loved dogs - has never broken the neck of a puppy during a press conference (OMG!!)
a masterful orator - a masterful orator (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
stylish and snappy uniforms - the same old ugly suits we've seen for the past 70 years
wrote a book in prison - commended libraries in prisons as governer of Texas
Pol Pot existed during his lifetime - Pol Pot existed during his lifetime





(At some point, I'm going to have to come to grips with the apparent fact that the world is indeed as stupid as I think it is.)
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Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
Since we also have Jewish Members, I surely didn't exclude Jewish opinions.
Ever hear of a "rhetorical question," Oliver?
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Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
.... I surely didn't exclude Jewish opinions.
How terribly nice of you.

Hitler Bush
pet dog Brown of FEMA
Eva Braun Condoleeza Rice
gunshot/cyanide pretzel
Night Of The Long Knives Annual Skull&Bones fratboy get-together
Hess Cheney
served in WW1 didn't
was a victim of a gas attack was attacked by a vicious pretzel
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Old 21st September 2007, 06:08 PM   #17
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Man. Oliver, you posted an attention grabbing topic with a really ridicuolus post. What, do you think people AREN'T going to make fun of it?

Anyway, my reply to both you and Ion is "please stop committing the false dichotomy and equivocations fallacies."
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Well, apparently Hitler did some painting in his youth. Can Bush paint? I'm sure he has some sort of talent. I hope they announce it on the news when someone finds out what it is.
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Old 21st September 2007, 06:15 PM   #19
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....Neither were German, holy, Roman nor emperors.

Austria's biggest coup against Germany:
convincing the world that Mozart was Austrian and that Hitler wasn't.

Hitler Bush
Austrian American (see, the first letter is the same! It all fits together!
anti-smoker probably
moustache none
talked a lot mumbles
wrote a lot learning alphabet
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Ever hear of a "rhetorical question," Oliver?
Do you think he would know?
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Originally Posted by Tokorona View Post
Man. Oliver, you posted an attention grabbing topic with a really ridicuolus post. What, do you think people AREN'T going to make fun of it?

Anyway, my reply to both you and Ion is "please stop committing the false dichotomy and equivocations fallacies."

Well, the point is a very serious one: Americans, just like Germans
didn't realize the threat for the democratic freedoms. So the questions
are legitimate. (Read the updated OP)

And concerning "false dichotomy and equivocations fallacies". The
thread isn't about fallacies but rather about similarities.

So in your point of View: The suspension of habeas corpus, for example,
isn't in any way comparable. Right?

"The event was quickly followed by the Reichstag Fire Decree, rescinding habeas corpus and other civil liberties." Source
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Old 21st September 2007, 06:34 PM   #22
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Hitler Bush
nasty thick
did not visit Iraq did
did not speak English tries
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Old 21st September 2007, 06:37 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Gurdur View Post
Hitler Bush
nasty thick
did not visit Iraq did
did not speak English tries

If you have something substantial to say - feel free to do so.

You could start here:
"The event was quickly followed by the Reichstag Fire Decree, rescinding habeas corpus and other civil liberties." Source
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hilter - bush
6 letters - 4 letters
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It's a fallacy for each comparison you listed. And your habeas corpus is STILL an equivocaiton fallacy.
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Originally Posted by Oliver View Post
Probably all of you heard some people comparing the current
White House/Bush/Cheney etc. to the Nazi-Regime/Hitler - and
the similarities about how both Administrations "adjust" democratic
regulations in a way that rather limits freedoms.
I've heard a lot about these limited freedoms, but for the life of me I haven't been able to detect any changes in my constitutional rights at all. Perhaps I'm going to the wrong parties...?
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Well, apparently Hitler did some painting in his youth. Can Bush paint? I'm sure he has some sort of talent. I hope they announce it on the news when someone finds out what it is.
Bush never had to paint. People in his social class pay others to do such menial work.
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Originally Posted by Oliver View Post

You could do contrasts as well as comparisons. Wouldn't they be equally valid?

Government Hitler inherited was shaky experiment in democracy -- government Bush inherited was constitutional republic that had been going strong for over two centuries

Hitler brilliant strategist (at first anyway) -- Bush couldn't strategize his way out of a wet paper bag

Bratwurst cost a billion marks -- Bratwurst cost $1.50, and still nobody is buying

German people were angry and ready for change -- American people are apathetic and ready for lunch

Jews forced out of their professions and their homes -- Jews CONTROL OUR DESTINY!!!!
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Well, the point is a very serious one: Americans, just like Germans
didn't realize the threat for the democratic freedoms. So the questions
are legitimate. (Read the updated OP)

And concerning "false dichotomy and equivocations fallacies". The
thread isn't about fallacies but rather about similarities.

So in your point of View: The suspension of habeas corpus, for example,
isn't in any way comparable. Right?

"The event was quickly followed by the Reichstag Fire Decree, rescinding habeas corpus and other civil liberties." Source

Which shows to go ya that you can raise legitimate concerns and start a dumb thread all at the same time.

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Bush never had to paint. People in his social class pay others to do such menial work.
And thank God for that.


Hitler, there was a painter. He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon. Two coats!!
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Originally Posted by aggle-rithm View Post
Bush never had to paint. People in his social class pay others to do such menial work.
Um, I hope you're just making a joke. And that people still remember Hitler went to art school. Had he been better at art, well, he might not have gone into evil. Or at least, he'd have wound up being an evil artist. Like Andy Warhol, only less weird.
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Listen, I know everybody's fooling around in here but I'd really like to seriously delve into some of these issues. It's easy to make fun but it isn't nearly as easy to sit down, study a problem and really come to grips with all of its many facets. With this Hitler/Bush thing, I believe ... I believe ... that I have, in fact, uncovered a real and important moral and historical fact. That fact is that I think I can transform "Adolf Hitler" into "George Bush" using the ET Corn God code.

This is all.
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According to a movie I saw once, they did in fact save Hitler's brain. What they did with George's is anybody's guess. I suppose if you coated it in a nontoxic covering it could serve as a hamster toy.
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Ever hear of a "rhetorical question," Oliver?

Yes, I did. But what did you mean?
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Each one is or was a carbon-based life form.
and Neither Bush nor Hitler is Tricky.
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